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θάλασσαν VS ὕδατα
Was the vocative imperative command COME just for Peter or to ALL disciples?
25 And in the fourth watch of the night Jesus went unto them, walking on the sea.
26 And when the disciples saw him walking on the sea, they were troubled, saying, It is a spirit; and they cried out for fear.
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28And Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water.
29And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.
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θάλασσαν VS ὕδατα John Mushenhouse William DeArteaga Isara Mo
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Troy Day “sea” is a general overview of what the disciples saw from their boat and “water” is the immediate context in which Peter has to show his faith-obedience.
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Thangsan Hisfootstep BUT the disciples saw JESUS also in the immediate context though Philip Williams has stated this seeing silly
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Was the vocative imperative command “COME” just for Peter or to ALL disciples ???
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Troy Day “to all disciples” but in view of discipleship (not in the exact situation of Peter there) that only a few like Peter will dare to response.
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Thangsan Hisfootstep well how do you mean then ?
if we remove the verse where Peter tells Jesus to order him
How would the dialogue differ then ?
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we do hope you can provide answers here from your in-depth greek studies Link Hudson Peter Vandever Ricky Grimsley Philip Williams
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Troy Day silly
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I hope there is no preacher out there trying to preach a lengthy sermon on this one, like a folded napkin sermon if any of you have heard that. Sometimes two similar words are just used in the same context. We do that for variety in English.
There might be something to the idea that if you see someone at a distance walking on the ‘sea’ of Galilee, you might have called it a sea, but if it’s up close where you can really see it’s water, then water? But it doesn’t look like some distinction for great theological meaning to me.
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Link Hudson how would you know if these 2 Greek words are similar or not? We do not see θάλασσαν VS ὕδατα in any similarity context in the NT – can you provide any Biblical examples to explain your stance?
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Philip Williams could be but you never noticed it until it was pointed out John Mushenhouse may provide a better contextual terminology
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Troy Day that was not my point.
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Link Hudson how would you know if these 2 Greek words are similar or not- θάλασσαν VS ὕδατα I am interested in your thinking process
like do you get up in the morning and you just know this?
do you pray in tongues and receive it as interpretation ?
do you go to some secret gnostic website that tells you?
I am just wondering how do you come up with your personal interpretations of the BIBLE, claim they are truly Pentecostal and then delete them?
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Troy Day sea and water have conceptual similarities, assuming the speakers have seen a sea, or lake in this case.
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Link Hudson not sure how you mean this about θάλασσαν VS ὕδατα but they do not have conceptual linguistic similarities or consistently similarities here The author uses them because of their difference
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Troy Day sea made out of water.
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Usually, Jesus Christ has been utilizing the cloud for His journey. As He is very far from the seashore, He has suspended the system of Gravity temporarily to show His disciples that they can do the same if they have faith. As per the Bible, “Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water. And he said, Come, and when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus” (Matthew 14:26 & 27). When doubt comes, problems arise. Amen!
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Usually, Jesus Christ has been utilizing the cloud for His journey. Bible says, “And when even was come, the ship was in the midst of the sea, and he alone on the land. And he saw them toiling in rowing; for the wind was contrary unto them: and about the fourth watch of the night, and would have passed by them. He cometh unto them, walking upon the sea (Mark 6:47 & 48). As He is very far from the seashore, He has suspended the system of Gravity temporarily to show His disciples that they can do the same if they have faith. As per the Bible, “Peter answered him and said, Lord, if it be thou, bid me come unto thee on the water. And he said, Come, and when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus” (Matthew 14:26 & 27). When Peter doubts, problems arise. Amen!
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Rasiah Thomas why utilizing the sea now?
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Troy Day It implies that the sea is meant for this world. He will be able to empower us through the Holy Spirit. Amen!
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Because Jesus was fully man fully GOD and Peter was fully man fully man
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Isara Mo how do you mean this ?
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Rasiah Thomas the BIBLE never says JESUS suspended the system of Gravity temporarily
This is something even Link Hudson has not read in his secret sources
was Gravity temporarily suspended just for PEter
Or for peter and JEsus as well?
DOES GOD need to suspend anything to walk on the SEA?
Neil Steven Lawrence Nelson Banuchi Isara Mo Joseph D. Absher Terry Wiles
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Troy Day we do not know if God suspended gravity, made water more dense, had angels hold them up or what.
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Link Hudson well Rasiah Thomas made this suggestion
Did Jesus need to do ANYthing extra to walk on water?
Dont think so
Did he need to do anything extra for Peter to walk on water?
Is this the difference between sea and water here?
After all Jesus walked miles on the sea from the shore to the ship
Peter walked one short distance on water ONLY with the purpose to go to Jesus – θάλασσαν VS ὕδαταis the KEY here
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Troy Day Nothig is required for our Lord Jesus Christ. However, His Chief Disciple has to walk like Him at sea level.
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Troy Day or coukd it the sea was made out of water?
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Troy Day
If we could explain miracles fully, then they would not be miracles. I think it’s appropriate that an element of mystery remains.
They are super-natural! 
We have to get out of the enlightenment habit of thinking we have to explain everything in naturalistic terms for it to be valid. Christian apologetics helps people along the way, but you can only go so far.
We could never cause people to believe we can only help them understand “that“ Yahweh is the truth, and Jesus is who he said he is. We can never caused them to believe “in“ Jesus. — that’s their job! 
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Troy Day To the question, no, I don’t think so. He just Himself overrules it, not changes it. Does that make sense?
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Nelson Banuchi how do you mean IF you can elaborate pls
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Link Hudson come again ?
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Troy Day I just now noticed, as I reread the OP, the two words being addressed as “sea” and “water.” Personally, I don’t see a difference between them. Jesus walked on the sea, which is comprised of water; and Peter walked on the water which body is called “sea.”
And, to the question in the article, “Was the vocative imperative command COME just for Peter or to ALL disciples?”, it seems to me it was just for Peter without excluding future disciples if there is the need or God calls one to do so.
As far as the question you asked, “DOES GOD need to suspend anything to walk on the SEA?”, I would say, not necessarily. Jesus can just leave everything humming as it does and still overrule it or, go over nature’s laws without changing nature’s laws. Like, for example, God moving in our hearts without necessarily, as far as the material, the physical is concerned, changing our hearts. I think Jesus can walk through a door without changing the door; He may have walked on the water without changing either the water or His material body, and the same with Peter.
Not sure I can explain it any further.
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Nelson Banuchi for starters
you do not see difference θάλασσαν VS ὕδαταis?
They are not interchangeable you see
I agree with GOD needs NOT to suspend anything!
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Troy Day I don’t know Greek. But I didn’t say they were interchangeable. They were just two different words indicating the same thing in different ways, like saying, “I went fishing in the Atlantic,” and someone else saying, “Can I go fishing on the water with you? And, I didn’t say God suspended anything; I agreed that he didn’t. As I said, Jesus may have walked on the water without changing either the water or His material body, and the same with Peter.
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Nelson Banuchi OK then what difference do you see in θάλασσαν VS ὕδαταis?
ALSO how does just seem to you that the vocative imperative command COME was just for Peter ???
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Troy Day Like I said, what the words tell us about Jesus and Peter’s demonstration of the miraculous, nothing. Jesus is walking on the sea (Sea?) that is, of course water; and Peter walked on a body of water called the sea (Sea?). And, again, I don’t know Greek so, maybe you can tell me what is the difference. Thanks!
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Nelson Banuchi a. The only other place Gr. ELTHE is used is for the Samaritan women who told the whole city COME and see…
In fact the BIBLE does NOT talk about a sea here
but about a fresh water lake … but who’s counting right ?
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Troy Day I’m not counting. And I still don’t understand what your point is. Sorry.
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Nelson Banuchi WELL my point is from the BIBLE
It has become clear you dont get it
Or you would have not keep on repeating things that are NOT in the BIBLE. Your humanistic philosophical wisdom dont fly well here
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Instead of putting me down, why don’t you explain what the point is. I don’t understand your rude response. Maybe it’s a sin to not understand?
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Nelson Banuchi not putting down just done explaining
it says what it says and it means what it means
it requires a little effort to get it though
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Troy Day And while I can read what it says, I don’t understand your interpretation expressing a difference between the the Greek for “sea” and “water.” Please clarify.
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Nelson Banuchi the text uses θάλασσαν VS ὕδαταis?
it says what it says and it means what it means
perhaps Neil Steven Lawrence John Mushenhouse can tell you more
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Troy Day okay… not sure what to thank you for… for directing me to those who know? Thanks!
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Nelson Banuchi 👍
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Your last question was the best. Faith is a more powerful force than gravity or water tension, the same way lift overcomes gravity in an airplane.
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Ken Van Horn Faith is a more powerful force than gravity