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Troy Day | PentecostalTheology.com
WHY AM I NOT A CALVINIST? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/why-am-i-not-a-calvinist/ http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/why_im_not_a_calvinist_tshirt-rbe86ced855434280bb0e6cab65aa94b9_va6lr_324.jpg #Pentecostal #Christian #CHURCH
Varnel Watson
Ricky Grimsley William DeArteaga David Rollings Grover Katzmarek Sr Comments on Calvin from Dake’s discussions continue here. If you are not align with anyone of the above 8 reasons you are not really a Calvinist Alexandre Goncalves
My question had to do mainly with Calvin’s recessional pneumatology and postmil eschatology. Very few discussions argue against Calvin’s soteriology because it is not his but largely Augustinian and Eastern Orthodox. There’s no need to even mention Piper on Calvin since most have read or could read Calvin’s Institutes for themselves on which Piper is no authority. With this said, John Piper is a partial cessationist and not a complete Calvinist either. His explanations and merger between both theological systems is marginal and nonobjective. Roger Olson rejects this amalgamation of theological systems and presents a clear Pentecostal view which many agree with. Since this is not a discussion on Calvin, but Dake, my comments will be under the Calvin discussion above.
Alexandre Goncalves
I repeat: I am Calvinist in soteriology. Being Calvinist does not mean accepting everything that Calvin wrote. I accept what is clear in the Bible. And for me, unconditional election, the total depravity and redemption of the elect are bright spots in the holy scriptures.
Ricky Grimsley
Calvinism frustrates me and yet fascinates me. I love to listen to James White destroy people in debates. However, i have same problems with calvinists as i do with arminians. I am fond of a quote from james white “the only consistent arminian is an open-theist. “
Varnel Watson
Alexandre Do you agree with ANY of these? You are NOT really a Calvinist – WHY AM I NOT A CALVINIST?
REASON #1 Free will is not humanistic. It’s the Bible.
REASON #2 Jesus gave us the Great Commission?
REASON #3 Why reaching the lost if they were predestined to be lost?
REASON #4 God so loved the world!
REASON #5 People backslide by their own choices and free will
REASON #6 Grace is Resistible and many have fallen from grace
REASON #7 I am yet to meet a Christian saved NOT by his/her own personal free will choice!
REASON #8 God’s choice not to act graciously toward others http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/why-am-i-not-a-calvinist/
Alexandre Goncalves
I Believe:
T Total depravity.
U Unconditional election.
L Limited atonement.
I Irresistible grace.
P Perseverance of the
Alexandre Goncalves
Saints
Varnel Watson
Oh, brother Alexandre How can you be Pentecostal without FREE WILL 🙂
David Rollings
The so called 8 reasons don’t really deal with true Calvinistic theology, after all the father of Modern Missions William Carey was a Calvinist. CH Spurgeon the great nineteenth century preacher and evangelist was a Calvinist. Surely that undermines any claim that Calvinist do not believe the great commission they do..I believe that Calvinistic theology is compatible with a belief in the empowering of the Holy Spirit.
Varnel Watson
Steve Jones from Auburn is a former Calvinist who pretenses a solid Calvinism Critiqued and the TULIP confession as heretical. Also, Calvin never wrote TULIP 🙂 It was a creation of his followers http://www.auburn.edu/~allenkc/openhse/calvinism.html
Grover Katzmarek Sr
It is not only his theology that bothers me but his influence that caused a man to be burned at the stake.
I also enjoyed the article of a Wednesday Crucifixion. The only sign Christ gave to the Jews and people try to explain away to come up with a Friday death.
Glad you posted that
Ricky Grimsley
Its insane to believe that A loving God chose to create a system where he would some how receive glory from beings who do only what he created them to do.
Varnel Watson
David Rollings Please elaborate. Calvinism denies the work of the Holy Spirit in this present times? How can you then have Pentecost without the Holy Spirit? Isn’t that at least heretical?
Alexandre Goncalves
Your above reasons are fallacies because history shows that the Puritans were Calvinists who most spread the gospel throughout the world.
David Rollings
I am aware of the history of the development of the tulip idea at the Synod of Dordt. I have written on my blog about Reformed Theology and here is a link to one of my posts http://pneumaandlogos.com/2014/01/21/is-reformed-theology-a-grand-vision-or-just-a-tulip/
Ricky Grimsley
Irresistible grace is easily disproved. Obviously God is sovereign and could have created a world where no one can resist but they do. Maybe you can argue that predestination might apply to some like Paul but not to the average guy.
Varnel Watson
David and Alexandre There’s been a long going division in the Calvinist’s camp on accepting or rejecting TULIP. We will have to leave you to sort TULIP out before we continue to discuss if it even applies to Pentecostal Theology.
Alexandre Goncalves
https://youtu.be/3jvI4yWZrqg
David Rollings
The problem with TULIP is that it shackles Calvinists to certain terminology Calvin and most of his followers prefer to speak of effectual calling rather than irresistible grace.
Varnel Watson
Alexandre Please no more Piper – the guy is complete fallacy. Have you read any Roger Olson? http://www.academia.edu/1181701/To_Kill_a_Tulip_A_Review_of_Roger_Olsons_Against_Calvinism
Alexandre Goncalves
Pentecostals authors are very bad in soteriology. They are also bad in eschatology. I prefer Reformed writers.
Varnel Watson
Spoken like a true Calvinist who cannot amalgamate with Pentecostalism. Roger Olson has no bad in soteriology 🙂 Olson’s critique on Calvinism is solid – here’s the actual book http://www.amazon.com/Against-Calvinism-Roger-E-Olson/dp/031032467X
David Rollings
I know that for many years Roger Olson has opposed Reformed Theology I have read some of his work but not the one you refer to. I have always been unconvinced by his arguments. My theological education was both Reformed (London School of Theology) and then Arminian ( Nazarene Theological College, Manchester) So I have heard both sides in depth.
Alexandre Goncalves
Varnel Watson
Not that many. Olson started about a decade ago on this journey clearly explaining What’s Wrong with Calvinism http://www.patheos.com/blogs/rogereolson/2013/03/whats-wrong-with-calvinism/
Alexandre Goncalves
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Louise Cummings
I don’t believe in predestined to go to Heaven or hell. I believe Jesus died for us all. I do believe you have to make your own decisions, to believe in God or not. But He still died for you to make the decision to go to Heaven. All you have to do is believe in Him. Believe He died for you if you will confess He is Lord and shed His Blood for your forgiveness.
Charles Page
you have to work your way to heaven??
Varnel Watson
Joe Absher Charles Page Wayne Scott
Fact: The dominant modern-day teaching about the antichrist is that it is one person yet to come.
Fact: Verses that support the one-person-yet-to-come antichrist are in Daniel chapter nine, II Thessalonians chapter two, and Revelation, where the word “antichrist” does not even appear.
Fact: The word “antichrist” appears only in I and II John, where the apostle described it as a Spirit that manifests itself in the form of an unbiblical belief system, complete with teachers and doctrines. He called people “antichrists” only because of their affiliation with the belief system.
Fact: Twice, to those who had heard that the antichrist was coming, John wrote that it had already arrived (I John 2:18 and 4:3).
Fact: Nowhere in I and II John, where the word actually appears, does John write that the antichrist is one person or anything else yet to come.
Fact: John defended the church against the antichrist by devoting more than half the verses in those six short chapters to stating that true believers can know that they are saved by the fact that they are morally pure in their relationships with God and with man.
Fact: The fictitious “one-person-yet-to-come” antichrist appeared within dispensationalism which appeared within Calvinism about 200 years ago. It rose in popularity, completely overshadowing the biblical antichrist, in the 19th century.
~by thhe author of a new, controversial, highly endorsed book called The Prophets’ Gospel – highly endorsed by WHO ?
Joe Absher
“Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?”
– Ezekiel 33:11
Wayne Scott
Troy. Who said it was highly endorsed and from where are you copying? I do remember initially saying my book was “highly endorsed” because of those who endorsed it but this was many years ago. I was younger and less wise. When I was challenged on the technicality that those endorsers did not constitute “highly endorsed” I stopped saying that.
The scholar who voluntarily wrote the Preface to The Prophets’ Gospel, overriding my concerns that it could put his job in danger, is Roger Cotton, professor of Old Testament at Assemblies of God Theological Seminary in Springfield, MO. He is very well respected in certain circles and writes books for the Assemblies of God. They also send him out to launch new Bible schools worldwide.
My book is a free download at prophetsgospel.com where all the endorsements can be read. Click “order” and then “free download.”
I will add that when the book was finally finished I sent Dr. Cotton the first copy with his preface in the front and after reading it he asked for 6 more copies to pass out to his colleagues at the seminary. He told me that I seem to have answered every conceivable objection to my view of the gospel in my 123 page book.
Varnel Watson
you said it on your website
Charles Page
We are saved by believing, but we are not saved by believing if we have believed a lie???
Charles Page
name some liars so we will know by illustration who/what you are saying. Go from a broad brush to a smaller detail brush so the picture will have meaning.
Varnel Watson
believing is still an act – no doubt about it
Wayne Scott
Charles. Are you saying we are saved by believing even if we have believed a lie? I was simply trying to establish a principle we could all agree on. I remember no one contesting this statement before.
Wayne Scott
As for an example, let’s start by establishing that some deceivers in this verse are liars. Others may be unintentional deceivers:
“Dear children, let no one deceive you. He who does what is right is righteous…” (I John 3:7).
So among all those religious people offering a nonbehavioral righteousness (contradictory to the truth of this verse) must be some liars. (To lie is “to deliberately misrepresent the truth.”)
Varnel Watson
Wayne Scott you may wanna get familiar with your own writings
Hi. My name is Wayne Scott. I’m the author of a new, controversial, highly endorsed book
calvinism antichrist dot com – highly endorsed BY WHOM ?
Wayne Scott
Sorry, Troy. I did not remember. I thought my web designer may have done it. But as I said, I stopped saying such long ago since some objected to the men I considered “high.”
Varnel Watson
not sure what – I just wondered by whom