| Christian Errice Mallari Baltazar |
False, John 3:16 and John 14:6 clearly indicates that Jesus is the way for salvation. Repentance from sinning is a result from believing Jesus Christ as Savior. |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
The question is… WHAT is repentance? |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Define repentance |
| Aberdeen Chan |
(Continual) Repentance = Initial Justification + Progressive Sanctification |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Define repentance please? |
| Aberdeen Chan |
1) “that if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved,” – Romans 10:92) “He who believes and is baptised will be saved. But he who does not believe will be condemned.” – Mark 16:16 (some says it is referring to the baptism of the Holy Spirit) |
| Crissy Ramirez |
Correct definition by Miriam Webster is complete regret or remorse. |
| Aberdeen Chan |
Crissy Ramirez I left out 2 Corinthians 7:10. Now repentance should consist of these 3 points.1) “that if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved,” – Romans 10:92) “He who believes and is baptised will be saved. But he who does not believe will be condemned.” – Mark 16:16 (some says it is referring to the baptism of the Holy Spirit)3) “Godly sorrow produces repentance that leads to salvation and brings no regret, but the sorrow of the world produces death.” – 2 Corinthians 7:10(Continual) Repentance = Initial Justification + Progressive Sanctification |
| Crissy Ramirez |
Not trying to be rude but the brother asked for a definition not verses |
| Aberdeen Chan |
Crissy Ramirez The verses do give us a picture of the definition, but I would like to try to summarise it in one sentence.Repentance is a progressive (sanctification) process of a believer when he/she believe and confess Jesus is Lord, be baptised with water and the Holy Spirit, be regret and continue to be remorse for his/her sinful nature. |
| Marc Jackson |
The MAIN reason many aint saved is because they are asking for a definition of repenting instead of just repenting |
| John Duncan |
Willful known sin is repented of and repentance is maintained as we do not make a habit or lifestyle of it. |
| Anthony Gool |
FALSE |
| Scotty Searan |
It takes more than believing.Satan believes but that does not make him saved. Repentance is necessary for salvation. |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Define repentance |
| Alan SmithAlan and 2 others manage the membership, moderators, settings, and posts for Pentecostal Theology. |
Timothy, it’s been defined twice. How would you define it? |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Turning from self effort to please God, to His grace |
| Marc Jackson |
Timothy K. Wiebe how can one turn from sin while in sin IF God does not turn them? Are you for grace works? |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Troy Day I believe that repentance is to turn from self righteousness to the cross |
| Grover Katzmarek Sr |
Peter said repent and be baptised to wash away sins |
| Roger Throckmorton |
By grace through faith |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Repentance: Turning from self effort to please God, to His grace |
| Roger Throckmorton |
Grace and faith will bring about true repentance |
| Isara Mo |
Nonsense.Salvation doesnt begin with a man…it was over before it began.Dont you read your Bible well?If the Lamb of God was slain before the foundation of the world, and if there are people whom.God foreknew and chose and predestined before the creation of the world, and if Jesus himself has said NO ONE CAN COME TO THE FATHER UNLESS HE DRAWS THEM…Were you drawn by the Father or did you drive yourself to Jesus?…. |
| Isara Mo |
Big false |
| Nora Neel-Toney |
Amen |
| John Duncan |
Repentance ALWAYS precedes saving faith in the Bible. |
| Gerardo de Dominicis |
I think that a true believer will always have a degree of repentance in order to believe and that original repentance will increase on time. The first words Jesus said in his ministry: Repent and believe the gospel. |
| Isara Mo |
When Peter addressed the people at Pentecost he didnot define salvation or faith…He simply explained the reason behind the so called “drunken” gathering…that they were not drunk with wine but with the Holy Spirit…which Jesus had poured as He promised.And he told them how God had glorified Jesus…whom the Jews had killed with the help of foreigners…2000 people got saved…that day.Did they repent first…and if so was it because they felt guilty of killing Jesus…(which would be contrary to the Bible because it was Gods foreplan.and foreknowledge that Christ must die..for a purpose and surely it was not the 2000 who were responsible.Peters words touched them.deeply(conviction of sin?…).and the question was: what should we do?Repent…Peter told them….None of the first 2000 saved people had read Ephesian 2:8( We are saved by grace thru faith) nor Romans 10:17)….or Romans 10:9-10..if you confess Jesus as Lord).There was no Bible then… |
| Isara Mo |
Somebody asked a question” what is repentance?” and nobody has answered him.May i also ask a silly question” what is salvation?”I say a silly question because most of the times i meet a believer who has been.in the faith for quiet a long time and ask this question, i get different answers…different explanations… |
| Marc Jackson |
Christian Errice Mallari Baltazar Isara Mo Question was not with WHO but WHEN salvation believes. Why NOT @ repentance? |
| Grover Katzmarek Sr |
Bit that is not biblical. What instruction was given to Paul or what happened in acts 16:31-32. Repent then they were baptized. Faith is definitely one major requirement but so is us being obedient to the other commands given |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
I believe Repentance is to humble ourselves, and to turn from our own self seeking/self righteousness, and turn to the cross of Christ. I do not believe that repentance is to help God accept us by turning away from sin. Grace/Salvation IS the power to overcome sin. We can not overcome first, and then get saved |
| Robert Borders |
Growing up A/G I got saved at every revival as a teenager! |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Same here |
| Marc Jackson |
Did you do you any good? |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Troy Day nope |
| Robert Borders |
I had trouble not sinning as a teenager (or as adult). Getting to old and tired to sin as much now! |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
I’ve discovered and continue to discover that overcoming sin, isn’t about me. Sin consciousness leads to failure because the focus is on us to overcome and we cannot except He does the work |
| Robert Borders |
Abiding in Him |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Robert Borders yes, I preached on this this morning |
| Mike Albright |
False. Salvation comes by grace through faith. Repentance is a by-product of a regenerated heart, but earns nothing from God. |
| John Duncan |
Repentance is a change of mind about the nature of sin and therfore a change in lifestyle. The apostles taught repent and believe is our duty inthe gospel. You are making the Scriptures fit your theology when you make repentance follow faith. You will never find this modern watered down repent after you believe in the Bible Paul Peter and the gospel preacher taught repent and believe never the opposite. |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
One problem, biblically, it’s NOT possible to stop sinning except we be IN Christ, and so if your theory was correct, Christ died for nothing |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Sorrow for sin, YES |
| John Duncan |
All things are possible to him who believes. 1 John 3:8, John 14:15,21 … I can do all things through Christ. |
| John Duncan |
http://www.johnandellenduncan.com/jd… |
| John Duncan |
http://www.johnandellenduncan.com/jd_FirstJohn1_8.htm |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
John Duncan through Christ yes |
| Hal Leath |
No one comes to the Father unless there is a drawing, then conviction (they were cut to the heart) then Acts 2:38-39It’s a process |
| John Duncan |
http://www.johnandellenduncan.com/jd… |
| John Duncan |
http://www.johnandellenduncan.com/jd_FirstJohn1_8.htm |
| John Duncan |
1 John 2:3-6: “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.” •1 John 2:29 “If ye know that he is righteous, ye know that every one that doeth righteousness is born of him.” •1 John 3:4-10: “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” •1 John 5:2-3 “By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.” |
| John Duncan |
Titus 2:11-12 “For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world” What does the grace of God do? •brings salvation•teaches us to deny ungoliness and worldly lusts: to say “no” to sin by the grace of God. •teaches us to live “soberly”: marked by seriousness, gravity, or solemnity of conduct or character, marked by circumspection and self-restraint. •teaches us to live “righteously”: morally upright, without guilt or sin.•teaches us to live “godly”: god-like, or Christ-like. When? •in this present world: not in Heaven after you die. 1 Cor. 10:13 “There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it” |
| Paul Hughes |
Muslims and Hindus can repent, too, but not be saved. To be saved, you have to receive Christ as your Savior. |
| John Duncan |
To repent is to turn from sin to Jesus. Faith works by love. Love is the keeping of the comandments 1 John 5:3 |
| John Duncan |
1 John 5:3 King James Version (KJV)3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. |
| John Duncan |
1 John 3:8-10 King James Version (KJV)8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. |
| John Duncan |
The Bible says that you CAN live right, you CAN be free from sin, you CAN live holy, you CAN obey God, you CAN keep His commandments… that not of yourself and not of your own works (so we can’t boast), but by the help of the Holy Spirit, by the power of the blood of Jesus, by the new nature that God puts in the new believer, you CAN be pleasing to God and live a life of victory. When you say that you can not stop doing evil, not even by the grace of God, you are nullifying the power of the grace of God and the blood of Jesus Christ. You are saying that Jesus does not have enough strength to help you not to lust, lie, steal, curse, and murder. In essence you are making Jesus weaker than your flesh and the power of God smaller than the power of sin. Your heart is full of UNBELIEF in God’s strength to help you not to sin. You are boasting in your ability to keep sinning and still call yourself a “Christian.” This is an awful theology. If Joseph believed that he could not avoid sin, he would have committed adultery with Potiphar’s wife (Gen. 39:12). Instead, Joseph, full of faith and by the grace of God ran from sin as he said, “how then can I do this great wickedness, and sin against God?” |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Except nobody said that |
| Paul Hughes |
https://biblequestion.wordpress.com/…/a-dozen-ways-we…/ |
| Aberdeen Chan |
We may also to take a look what the Bible says about being a disqualified Christian who fail on his/her repentance.These are the 5 circumstances, believers may risk being disqualified for their salvation.1) Continual living in sin (Jude 5, 1 Corinthians 10:1-11, Hebrews 10:26-27)2) Willful denial (2 Timothy 2:12, Hebrews 6: 4-8)3) Failure to overcome deception (2 Thessalonians 2:9-10, 2 Timothy 3:12-13, 2 Peter 2:1, 1 Timothy 4:16, Matthew 24:10b-13)4) Presumptuous faith (Matthew 7: 20-23, Luke 18: 11-12, Revelation 3:15-17)5) Failure to persevere (Hebrews 10:38-39, Matthew 24:9-13) |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
You can’t do any of that except you be IN Christ, so repentance is not about forsaking sin so that Christ will accept you. Repentance is about humility, acknowledging sin and turning to Christ and confessing HIM |
| Aberdeen Chan |
Timothy K. Wiebe “To be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace, 7 for the carnal mind is hostile toward God, for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can it be,” – Romans 8:6-7Christ accepts a person by sending the Holy Spirit to the person. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit with the person will help to the believer for sanctification, spirituality. The ultimate evidence which we have to show for our victorious repentance is we are not fallen into any of the five circumstances. Or else our salvation disqualified. |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Aberdeen Chan the carnal mind cannot be anything but carnal unless it is IN Christ |
| Robbie Asbury |
repentance is very important because we have free will, we have to no longer wanna be a sinner, we have to wanna turn from the wrong way and wanna turn toward Christ, ues the Lord wishes that none should perish and yes the Lord is drawing us unto him also. During repentance we exercise a level of faith and belief that the Lord can and will save us or at the least a whole lot of hope, we get baptized symbolically dying out to the old man , being biried with Christ, following Jesus example given to us. …..and by Gods amazing grace we are saved and we receive the Holy Ghost. We begin an amazing relationship with the Lord and He strengthens us and empowers us to be able to become overcomers and He is the one that makes us a new creation and born again. Glory to God. |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Robbie Asbury yes, repentance is, as you said, wanting to be free from sin. Repentance is brokenness and humility, SO that Christ can free us |
| John Duncan |
http://www.johnandellenduncan.com/jd_romans7.htm |
| Marc Jackson |
The MAIN reason many aint saved is because they are asking for a definition of repenting instead of just repenting |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Yeah, well, if you give a false definition, they Aren’t ACTUALLY getting saved |
| Robbie Asbury |
I know when I first got saved I had no clue or idea of ehat repentance was, I just knew my life was a wreck and I believed there was a God. When I was in that first church service and that preacher was preaching I felt like he somehow knew my whole life story good and bad. I began to cry and all I wanted to do was somehow ask God to just simply forgive me. Then I heard that preacher ask if anyone wanted to be prayed for to please come up front and I pretty much ran up front. |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Robbie Asbury amen. When people tell others they need to quit sinning to come to Christ, they offer a false definition of repentance. True repentance is exactly as you described it! Praise God |
| Marc Jackson |
Robbie Asbury You are right. No one has gotten saved by definitions but by the grace of God |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Troy Day exactly why it’s important NOT to define it in an unbiblical way |
| Marc Jackson |
Aberdeen Chan Repentance is NOT a progressive (sanctification) process of a believer If that was the case aint none of us here be saved right now. Timothy K. Wiebe IF you really believe that a man cant get saved and right with God right here and right now you aint got no business preaching the Gospel |
| Aberdeen Chan |
If repentance is not a progressive (sanctification) process of a believer. Is that mean the Calvinist’s doctrine of “Once Saved, Always Saved” is correct?Progressive sanctification is not an absolute sanctification. Believers should not be continued living in sin, but to stay away from temptation and our carnal nature. (Jude 5, 1 Corinthians 10:1-11, Hebrews 10:26-27)Philippians 1:6,”I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Jesus Christ.”We will achieve perfection when we meet Jesus. |
| Marc Jackson |
Nope – has nothing to do with Calvinism |
| Aberdeen Chan |
Troy Day The progressive (sanctification) process of a believer is about the transformation of the soul.Romans 12:2, “Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.”Psalm 51:10,”Create in me a clean heart, O God, and renew a right spirit within me.”Ephesians 4:22-24,”that you put off the former way of life in the old nature, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts, and be renewed in the spirit of your mind; and that you put on the new nature, which was created according to God in righteousness and true holiness.” |
| Marc Jackson |
You are mixing repentance for salvation with sanctification http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/what-is-the-ordo-salutis/ |
| Aberdeen Chan |
Troy Day How could we separate repentance from salvation, which consisting justification and sanctification? The gospel will fall apart if we single them one by one. |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Or is it that you misunderstood me? |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
I got saved when I was 15. I didn’t say anything about what you said tagging me |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
What I actually said is that repentance is NOT to get free from sin so that Jesus can save us |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Repentance is to turn to the cross, humbly and in brokenness |
| Marc Jackson |
Timothy K. Wiebe there’s really no point of you name calling and making empty accusations. All I said was: IF you really believe that a man cant get saved and right with God right here and right now you aint got no business preaching the Gospel. Why would you take that personally? We are discussing theology here |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Because I am a preacher of the gospel who has a right to preach the gospel. Sorry, I just took that personally, then I realized you must be misunderstanding. HOW did you misunderstand? |
| Marc Jackson |
Guess your response with name calling could have come from you believing something I said right? |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Troy Day how did you misunderstand and then say I wasn’t worthy to preach? |
| Marc Jackson |
Seems like I did not misunderstand I also said “aint got no business preaching” – not sure why you bring the issue of self worth in that (not a good sign in my experience) |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Troy Day you’re either lying about me or else have no comprehension of what I have said on here. You accuse me and you’re not even making sense or backing your argument with facts |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
You are the one who was name calling. Ok, move on |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Let me ask you again, what did you misunderstand about what I said about repentance, to cause you to say I shouldn’t be preaching? |
| Marc Jackson |
What name did I call you Timothy B Sheppard? |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Troy Day my thoughts on repentance, is “not a good sign to you.†On and on |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Troy Day accusing me of saying my “self worth†is what I’m referring to. All I asked you was how you define repentance and you refuse to answer. It’s not that difficult isit? |
| Marc Jackson |
Actually I said: “IF … aint got no business preaching” which you interpreted as “how did you misunderstand and then say I wasn’t worthy to preach?” (your words, I never said you were or were not worthy of anything). Your interpretation seemed a bit touchy on the issue equating preaching with “worthy” and worth. Since you keep on bringing it up, would like to talk about it more? |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Troy Day bottom line remains, repentance isn’t to quit sinning so that you can get saved |
| Marc Jackson |
Timothy K. Wiebe In my experience lots of ministers (like 90%) are introverts and deal constantly with issues of self-worth. Seems like my comment which was not meant to you personally but any one who IF … then else, rubbed you as not intended. Nevertheless, this is a brotherhood group and we all need to talk about these sensitive issues. I personally am not introvert and cannot honestly say I know what you may be going through with issues as worth, self-motivation, internal drive and so on… |
| Timothy K. Wiebe |
Troy Day I was simply asking for your thoughts on repentance. Somewhere, the discussion derailed |
| Scotty Searan |
ACTS 2:3838 Then G1161 PeterG4074 said G5346 untoG4314 them G846, RepentG3340, and G2532 be baptized G907 every oneG1538 of you G5216 inG1909 the name G3686 of Jesus G2424 Christ G5547for G1519 the remissionG859 of sins G266, andG2532 ye shall receiveG2983 the gift G1431 of the Holy G40 Ghost G4151REPENTG3340Original: μετανοεÌωTransliteration: metanoeoÌ„Phonetic: met-an-o-eh’-oThayer Definition:to change one’s mind, i.e. to repentto change one’s mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one’s past sinsOrigin: from G3326and G3539TDNT entry: 20:15,6Part(s) of speech: VerbStrong’s Definition: From G3326 and G3539; to think differently or afterwards, that is, reconsider (morally to feel compunction): – repent.Ephesians 4:22-32. 22 That ye put offconcerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; (Compare) 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. note 25 Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour: for we are members one of another. 26 Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath: 27 Neither give place to the devil. 28 Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with hishands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.note 29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers. note 30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption. 31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice: 32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you. |
| Marc Jackson |
Scotty the Jesus only-ners keep on bringing Acts 2:38 which does NOT include water baptism as prerequisite for salvation. We discussed it over and over again Here’s the actual greek text and its meaning (long read) http://probible.net/acts-238/ |
| Scotty Searan |
Troy Day I was using this verse because of repentance, not baptism. |
| Alan SmithAlan and 2 others manage the membership, moderators, settings, and posts for Pentecostal Theology. |
Jesus said “No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draw him: and I will raise him up on the last day.” (John 6:44). |
| Alan SmithAlan and 2 others manage the membership, moderators, settings, and posts for Pentecostal Theology. |
2 Peter 3:9 The LORD is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.This goes against EVERYTHING the Calvinist believe. |
| Isara Mo |
John 6:44 is a worth contemplating. It resonance with a scripture where the Lord says “Go away you evil doers..I did not know you…” despite your casting out demons and healing the sick in my name.Many are called and few are chosen.is another scripture to ponder…..and what about the verse that says “narrow is the rgate and also the road that leads to life and only a FEW ….see it”Am I among the few who had seen.the gate?…and the road?God knows… |
| Marc Jackson |
Alan Smith If I remember correctly @Charles Page would draw them with a hook 🙂 |
| Alan SmithAlan and 2 others manage the membership, moderators, settings, and posts for Pentecostal Theology. |
what’s on the hook? what would be his bait? |
| Marc Jackson |
dead men drawn to Jesus by a hook – have to find the OP of the OG who did not drink is OJ with his cool-Aid 🙂 Joseph Kidwell not calling nobody no names 🙂 |
| Isara Mo |
Paul in Romans 7:15 -20 acknowledges that the problem was within…and that he had no power over it.The words in Romans make me wonder: i thought Paul was totally sanctified since He had an encounter with the Lord and, furthermore he was an ” experienced” apostle.If sin could trouble Paul who lived in a world where there was no TV or movies….where distractions were minimal, what about a believer who is sorrounded with every kind of distraction and a hectic lifestyle?God has said we cannot do nothing BY OURSELVES…Nothing means nothing ..including self effort to battle sin. He is the one who sanctifies…..W |
| Grover Katzmarek Sr |
There is no way Paul was talking about his Christian life in this chapter but that it was his life as a Pharisee before his cinversion |
| Marc Jackson |
I agree with Grover Rom 7 aint even about Paul. His exclamation in personal vocative are not direct but spoken in general Most woudl agree Rom 7 is the search for salvation under law not post-salvation dynamics We can look into specific Rom. 7 verses as well to see this proven beyond any doubt |
Varnel Watson
Joe Absher Salvation begins with a Savior
Our salvation is eternal rooted in an Eternal Son of God
Genesis Abbott White
Amen
Genesis Abbott White
Salvation begins with accepting that we do need a saviour
Joe Absher
Jesus doesn’t quit on man.
Varnel Watson
works for salvation is nonsense
so is pelagianism which is simply not Weslyan-Pentecostal teaching
and NO there is no progressive salvation
Salvation is one time on Calvary which makes one eternally done deal
Sinadou Marcellin
Receive the Holly Spirit and then you will know the truth,,
Varnel Watson
The Bible says you should know the truth and truth will set you free and only then you can receive the Holy Ghost
Tim Taylor
When jesus died n resurrected
RichardAnna Boyce
The lexical evidence and Bible passages do not support the Lordship definition of saving faith (SALVATION) as obedience, willingness to obey, or submission.
Neither can it be shown that saving faith is a “divine dynamic”
which is a gift from God
or that it guarantees a certain measure of works, though it implies works. Furthermore, there is no strong argument that the Bible contains examples of spurious saving faith. Saving Faith is always real faith.
The lexical evidence shows that saving faith is trust, reliance upon,
or confidence in something.
Biblical passages demonstrate its simplicity as a human response.
It involves man in his intellectual and volitional capacities
which should not be separated.
The validity of saving faith is determined by the quality of its object,
not the quality of faith itself.
What makes saving faith different from any other faith is its object.
Therefore, saving faith is defined as trust or confidence
in the Lord Jesus Christ as the Savior from sin.
It is a personal acceptance of the work of the Lord Jesus Christ
on the cross for the sinner.
Varnel Watson
RT Nelson Banuchi
Calvinists, like Boettner, have it all wrong when it comes to the Early Church Fathers before 300 A.D.