| Joseph D. Absher |
Yes there are abuses. Yes there is some presumption. Yes there is much misunderstanding of spiritual things. And yes my people perish for a lack of knowledge.If God gives us weapons, and he does, he means for us to use them. God means for us to fight. That is the big take away of Eph. 6. We may not win every round but we will win some. Victory over sin and obedience to the word of God and fighting the evil spirits of this world are part and parcel of the Christian faith. NEVER ONCE HAVE I HEARD A CALL FOR THE CHRISTIAN TO LAY DOWN THEIR ARMS. As to your point “binding ‘satan’ ” I think most people know that this is a generic term for the forces of evil, their lies and cruel designs. The devil is a tempter and a seducer and a schemer. If you want to live a life that is pleasing to God you will have to face the enemy and fight him in Jesus name. Lay a hold of the promises of God by faith and stand against doubt and unbelief and give God the glory through it all. You can have victory over sin and that old devil at least on a personal level if you will surrender to God and do his will take courage and confront your problems. Face that mountain, that fear, that pain, that vile mouth. So stand, fight, shout, don’t be afraid our God is able! He is a mighty man of war! If you will put the Word of God in your mouth, you will get the devil of your back!Try it out for your self,”I bind you! I rebuke you! I stand against you in Jesus name!” of course if your conviction is shallow and your desire to obey God is small forget it. |
| Randal W Deese |
Why should anyone try something so outside of Scripture as “I bind you, etc…”?My battle cry is simple “Back to the Bible” |
| Leon Bible |
Scripture teaches us that the devils are subject to us in the Name of Jesus! Luke 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.This being the case HOW would you pray and what words would you use to exercise this authority?Let’s say that the devil has attacked your body with sickness and disease. What would you say? How about this… Devil, I lose you to put any sickness or disease into my body that you want to in the name of Jesus. OR Devil I bind you from bringing any sickness or disease into my body in the name of Jesus!What would you say? |
| Derrick Stokes |
I pray for healing. I pray that God’s will be done no matter what. I also pray that God shows me what he wants me to learn in whatever season of sickness or suffering. Remember Paul prayed that his thorn be removed from his flesh. His messenger of Satan. however God had that “thorn” remain for another purpose. |
| Derrick Stokes |
He never said “I bind Satan that he remove this thorn”. No one. Anywhere in scripture. Binded Satan. Except when our Savior will for 1000 years. |
| Leon Bible |
Derrick Stokes Well praying for God’s will to be done is certainly praying for healing – because healing is ALWAYS God’s will for the obedient child of God. |
| Derrick Stokes |
Leon Bible I totally agree. Sometimes it just doesn’t happen in this lifetime. |
| Leon Bible |
Derrick Stokes If we will believe it happens in this lifetime then it does! So why not appropriate the redemption of Jesus for the healing of our body as well as for our soul? |
| Randal W Deese |
The New Testament clearly teaches that a minister of the Gospel has power over demons. However, at no time in the New Testament does Jesus, Peter, Paul, nor any other minister ever “bind†or “loose†a demon. Remember, in the culture, binding and loosing referred to things, not people, and not demons. Furthermore, the context of the verses that use “bind†and “loose†have nothing to do with demons. The vocabulary about binding and loosing was already common before Jesus started his ministry, and Jesus was the first man in history to regularly exercise authority over demons, so the binding and loosing vocabulary could not have developed in reference to demons.Ministers of the Gospel can cast out demons or, like Jesus, forbid them from speaking or expressing themselves. However, we must realize that the only effective authority we have over demons is the authority that God gives us, which we will know by revelation. When dealing with demons, every minister of the Gospel must be very careful to walk by revelation and guidance from God, and not step over into ministering out of the flesh. We do not have legitimate authority to command demons beyond the revelation we receive. It is possible that God or the Lord might give us revelation to “bind†a demon in the sense of forbidding it to do some specific thing, such as speaking, but it is clear we do not have any global authority to “bind†demons to keep them from acting.Ministers must always be on guard against the desire of the flesh to have power and control, and against trends that arise in Christianity that sound good but are not really scriptural. If a minister is in a deliverance session and gets revelation to “bind†(forbid) something the demon is doing, or “loose†(allow) the demon in some area of activity, that is well and good. But saying, “I bind you, demon, in the name of Jesus Christ,†without specific revelation, is just powerless words.The most profound problem that occurs when we associate “binding†and “loosing†with demons is that it creates a terrible misunderstanding of what Jesus really meant in Matthew 16:19 and 18:18. The truth that Jesus taught about binding and loosing is one that every Christian disciple should know. There will always be things we need to forbid, and things we need to allow. Church leaders cannot afford to be wishy-washy or indecisive. We must walk in faith, love, and power, and be willing to make decisions that influence the lives of others, but, as Jesus taught us, what we forbid on earth must have first been forbidden in heaven, and what we permit on earth must have been first permitted in heaven. |
| Leon Bible |
Above you said: ” However, at no time in the New Testament does Jesus, Peter, Paul, nor any other minister ever “bind†or “loose†a demon.” What did Jesus do here?Luke 13:16 And ought not this woman, being a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan hath bound, lo, these eighteen years, be loosed from this bond on the sabbath day? |
| Randal W Deese |
Leon Bible Now just show me where He commanded a loosing and binding… oh… you can’t. It isn’t there in the text. |
| Leon Bible |
Randal W Deese Did the woman get loosed from the devil? |
| Joseph D. Absher |
You said you agree with the O.P. 100% but now you don’t. Nice. |
| Randal W Deese |
Joseph D. Absher The OP says he doesn’t agree with the doctrine… |
| Randal W Deese |
The OP says: this business about binding Satan is adding to scripture. |
| Derrick Stokes |
Leon Bible and ought not THIS WOMAN be loosed. Nothing about binding Satan. |
| Randal W Deese |
Leon Bible The result of an action is not the same as unscriptural methods. |
| Leon Bible |
Derrick Stokes So Satan was still FREE to afflict the woman? |
| Joseph D. Absher |
For the record I’m for submitting to God and resisting the devil |
| Joseph D. Absher |
In Jesus name! |
| Randal W Deese |
For the record, I teach that submitting to God is following Biblical methodology. If Biblical methods do not matter, then we should question our submission to God, right? |
| Derrick Stokes |
Leon Bible As much as only God can allow. Lest we forget Job. |
| Joseph D. Absher |
Randal W Deese if you’re asking me we could use more binding of the forces of hell not less |
| Leon Bible |
Derrick Stokes Surely you don’t compare Job’s situation with the status we now hold in Christ Jesus! No comparison there at all. We are free moral agents and we can choose to be bound by the devil or choose to be loosed from the devil. The Lord has set before us death and life and we may choose either thanks to our being set free by Jesus Himself to make such decisions. |
| Joseph D. Absher |
I’m sure you’ve been in many fights for Christ and his kingdom. All I can add at this point is,Jeremiah 50:25 KJV — The LORD hath opened his armoury, and hath brought forth the weapons of his indignation: for this is the work of the Lord GOD of hosts in the land of the Chaldeans.”Let everyman find his weapons in Jesus name” |
| Randal W Deese |
Joseph D. Absher I am saying that YOU and I do not bind any demons… I used to laugh when pastor friends and their congregations would go up to the surrounding mountains where I used to live… thousands of Christians would “bind” the demons of the city… The weeks ahead I saw just as much murder, crime, and etc… sometimes even more…I used to ask these Pastors “who is untying all those demons”? What superstitious nonsense and a waste of time. If the doctrine were true, the entire city would be released from the power of the enemy. It is a made up doctrine and was NEVER practiced in 2000 years of Church history. |
| Randal W Deese |
Binding and Loosing is not praying… it is man made superstition… I am amazed how you so long to defend a practice that is not in the Bible |
| Derrick Stokes |
Leon Bible What say ye then about Paul? What do you say that no one in scripture bound Satan or demons? |
| Leon Bible |
Randal W Deese Binding and loosing is an exercise of our authority in the Name of Jesus. If you don’t have the authority of Jesus Name then don’t bind and loose! But for those who do know their rights and privileges in Christ it is a very effective method of getting the devil out of people’s lives. |
| Randal W Deese |
Derrick Stokes Paul cast out demons… show me where he used any term like “I bind you devil”. |
| Leon Bible |
Derrick Stokes Might be missing your question here… What about Paul? |
| Randal W Deese |
Leon Bible The Bible doesn’t teaching binding and loosing… so you are embracing unscriptural doctrine. |
| Derrick Stokes |
Randal W Deese I agree. |
| Derrick Stokes |
Leon Bible Paul’s “thorn”. His messenger of Satan. He didn’t bind it or Satan. |
| Leon Bible |
Derrick Stokes This was not a case of Paul being devil possessed. This was a case of other people allowing the devil to use them and for this work of the devil in other people’s lives… Paul stated God’s grace was sufficient. |
| Derrick Stokes |
Leon Bible When I see on TBN or hear in churches people say “I bind Satan…” it’s usually not just about demon possession. Actually that’s rarely the case. It’s usually with regard to physical or mental sickness, financial hardship, relationship problems. The point remains, however, that there is no biblical precedent. Especially using Matthew 18:18 out of context. Jesus would cast out demons OR heal the physically infirmed. He resisted the devil during His fast in the wilderness and didn’t bind him. He used scripture to do battle with Satan. He used scripture in its correct context to do battle with Satan. Satan used scripture too…out of context. |
| Randal W Deese |
The popular doctrine of binding and loosing of demons is at best superstition and at worst sorcery. |
| Leon Bible |
What could possibly be wrong with binding the devil out of ours and other people’s lives, in the name of Jesus and by the power of His blood as was shed on the cross to free men from the oppression of the devil? No way that can be superstition. |
| Randal W Deese |
Leon Bible It isn’t encouraged by Christ… therefore, it is super spiritual superstition. Scripture makes it clear that our responsibility is to merely cast them out. I have done it often since 1981… All this other nonsense is unnecessary game playing with things that Scripture doesn’t teach us to do. How is it wrong? Because it has nothing to do with following Scripture. |
| Leon Bible |
Randal W Deese You say you cast our devils! Jesus said you can’t get the devil out unless you first BIND the strong man. Mark 3:27 No man can enter into a strong man’s house, and spoil his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil his house.The very act of casting out a devil… involves the binding of that devil… and forcing him to leave! You can not cast out a devil if that devil is still “lose” to do whatever he likes. He must be bound in order to get him out! |
| Randal W Deese |
Leon Bible Jesus is the only one who bound the Strong Man. You need to do research on that passage if you think it is talking about individual “strong men” in people…. Jesus is the one who bound the Strong Man. The phrase bind the strong man (or strongman) is a reference to a passage in the book of Mark, where Jesus is responding to some Jewish scribes who were accusing Him of being possessed by Beelzebul. Their argument was that “by the prince of demons he is driving out demons†(Mark 3:22). In other words, the reason the demons listened to Jesus was that they were in league with Him and recognized Him as their commanding officer, so to speak.Jesus refuted their blasphemous argument with plain logic: “How can Satan cast out Satan?†(Mark 3:23) and then gave them a parable. First, Jesus spoke of the principle of a divided kingdom, which cannot stand (verses 24–26). Then He told them, “No one can enter a strong man’s house without first tying him up. Then he can plunder the strong man’s house†(Mark 3:27). Jesus refers to Satan as the “strong man†and to Himself as the One who enters the house and plunders the place. Of course, before Satan allows his domain to be “plundered,†he must be incapacitated. Jesus was not in league with Satan, as the scribes suggested, but had come to the earth, to what is essentially Satan’s “house†(1 John 5:19), in order to bind Satan and plunder his “goods,†which are the souls of men (John 17:15; Luke 4:18; Ephesians 4:8).A parallel passage says this: “When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. But when someone stronger attacks and overpowers him, he takes away the armor in which the man trusted and divides up his plunder†(Luke 11:21–22). Satan is strong, and he holds possessions that he guards jealously. But Jesus is the One who was and is stronger than the strong man. He is the only One who can bind the strong man and rescue us from his clutches (see John 12:31). |
| Randal W Deese |
What is the “binding†and “loosing†that Jesus referred to in Matthew 16:19 and 18:18, and does it refer to binding and loosing demons?“Binding†and “loosing†were common terms used by the Rabbis in biblical times. When the rabbis “bound†something, they “forbade†it, and when they “loosed†something, they “permitted†it. In spite of the fact that the terms were commonly used at the time of Christ, many Christians today are confused about what these terms mean. “Bind†and “loose†are used in Matthew 16:19 and 18:18, and to understand those verses we will look at the biblical meanings of the words themselves, and also the translation of the verses as a whole, because they have been mistranslated in most English versions.Matthew 16:18 and 19(18) And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.(19) I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.â€Matthew 18:18“I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.The Greek scholar, A. T. Robertson, wrote about binding and loosing: “To ‘bind’ (dêsêis) in rabbinical language is to forbid; to ‘loose’ (lusêis) is to permit†[emphasis ours]. [1] The well-respected Bible commentator, Adam Clarke, agrees with Robertson, and writes:It is as plain as the sun, by what occurs in numberless places dispersed throughout the Mishna, and from thence commonly used by the later rabbins [rabbis] when they treat of ritual subjects, that binding signified, and was commonly understood by the Jews at that time to be, a declaration that any thing was unlawful to be done; and loosing signified, on the contrary, a declaration that any thing may be lawfully done. Our Savior spoke to his disciples in a language which they understood…. [2]The Exegetical Dictionary of the New Testament adds: “‘Bind’ and ‘loose’ are technical terms in Judaism…with respect to teaching, the phrase is used for authoritative exposition of the law by an authorized, ordained rabbi, who has authority ‘to forbid and to permit.’ †[3] The Hebraic scholar John Lightfoot wrote five pages on binding and loosing in his New Testament commentary on Matthew. He writes:…to bind and loose, a very usual phrase in the Jewish schools, was spoken of things, not of persons…. One might produce thousands of examples out of their writings….the reader sees abundantly enough both the frequency and common use of this phrase, and the sense of it also; namely, first, that it is used in doctrine, and in judgments, concerning things allowed or not allowed in the law. Secondly, that ‘to bind†is the same with to forbid, or to declare forbidden. To think that Christ, when he used the common phrase was not understood by his hearers in the common and vulgar sense, shall I call it a matter of laughter or of madness? …Hence they [the Apostles] bound, that is, forbade, circumcision to the believers… They loosed, that is, allowed, purification to Paul and to four other brethren for the shunning of a scandal, (Acts 21:24). [4]From the many examples of “bind†and “loose†in the Jewish writings, we can see that they referred to “forbidding†or “permitting†something, and they were used of things, such as rules and regulations, not of people. The rabbis did not bind or loose people. “Binding†(forbidding) and “loosing†(permitting) were necessary because the Law of Moses could not contain all the regulations necessary to govern a congregation and society. Therefore, the religious leaders were required to “bind†and “loose†activities in the congregation that were not specifically included in the Law of Moses. This was true in Jesus’ day, and is still true today. |
| Don McJackson |
According to the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America Exorcism is to banish the demons who tempt people and the Church instituted and uses a special service called exorcism. The verb exorcism comes from the Greek word, exorkizein; ex means “out,” and horkizein means “to bind (bind, binding, bounded or having been bounded as result of exorcism)by an oath” from horkos, “oath”; to expel or drive off (an evil spirit) by adjuration, especially by use of a holy name; to deliver (a person, place, etc.) from evil spirits. Consequently exorcism means an act or process of exorcising; conjuration and binding of evil spirits. In the third century, the Church instituted the office of exorcist to officiate the service of exorcism for catechumens before their baptism. Prior to the third century, the deacon officiated at this service, but because “Seven deacons, according to the Acts of the Apostles, should be appointed for each great city” (Canon 15, Synod of Neocaesaria), there were not enough deacons to serve all the needs of the Church. Therefore, the office of exorcist, along with many other offices (sub-deacon, reader, cantor, doorkeeper), was instituted to serve this need. The office of the exorcist is ranked higher than the reader; those who hold these offices are considered members of the clergy appointed by the bishop (cf. Canon 26, Synod of Laodicea; Canon 10, Synod of Antioch). The exorcist was considered by the Church to have the gift of curing, and was required to read prayers of exorcism in a clear and understandable voice, which (the tone of reading) was a criterion for his appointment to this office. The duty of the exorcist was to prepare the catechumen (candidate for baptism) through religious instructions to strengthen him spiritually to renounce Satan. The service of exorcism now is officiated by the priest in the service for the catechumens, which immediately precedes the Sacrament of Baptism.The development of exorcism was a gradual process.”Justin the Martyr in his first Apology (ch. 61) and other more ancient sources, such as the Teachings of the Apostles and the Acts of the Apostles, do not mention the renouncement of Satan, exorcism and the blessing of the waters in the service of baptism. Originally they were understood as part of the confession of faith of the candidate when the procedure for catechumens was developed, the text of the service of the catechism being added as elements of expression. Expressions in the text of the catechism relate to the renouncement of Satan. Fastings, beseechings, prayer and genuflections also relate to the meaning of exorcism.”Clement of Alexandria, Theodotos 84, P.G Migne 9, 697At the same time, exorcism of water appeared (ib. 82) for the binding of evil spirits from water. Exorcism of evil spirits from water later was carried over to the baptized person (Acts of Thomas, ch. 157, beginning of third century); The renouncement of Satan, the exorcism service and the blessing of the baptismal water are mentioned as occurring before the baptism ceremony for the first time in the third century”, (Ecclesiastical History, by Stephanides, p.95). The exorcism prayers in baptism are the church’s first steps for binding evil spirits. Exorcism presupposes the teaching of the Church of the cleansing of original sin of Adam in baptism, in adults and infants as well. |
| Randal W Deese |
I am not Greek Orthodox |
| Randal W Deese |
None the less… my point is still the same… don’t confuse the RESULT with the Method: “to bind (bind, binding, bounded or having been bounded as RESULT of exorcism) |
| Randal W Deese |
However, I do not disagree with the exorcising of demons… Which is the point I am making, and the quotes you have reached for do not disagree with anything I have said… |
| Randal W Deese |
Be more precise in your analysis. I am very specific about what I say and teach… |
| Don McJackson |
Havent made my analysis yet. Simply quoted the teaching of the Orthodox Archdiocese of America on Exorcism. Do you disagree? |
| Derrick Stokes |
QUESTION FOR ALL HERE: is binding and commanding an evil spirit to come out the same thing? |
| Don McJackson |
Derrick Stokes The verb exorcism comes from the Greek word, exorkizein; ex means “out,” and horkizein means “to bind (bind, binding, bounded or having been bounded as result of exorcism)by an oath” from horkos, “oath”; to expel or drive off (an evil spirit) by adjuration, especially by use of a holy name; to deliver (a person, place, etc.) from evil spirits. |
| Derrick Stokes |
So does this work in sickness? Do you believe all sickness is a demonic attack or can it be simply a result of living in a fallen world? |
| Don McJackson |
The Orthodox/Catholic church seems to believe they are one and all and could be done with a simple reading of a prayer I am not sure it is so simple with Pentecostal charismatics BUT if you point us to the actual scripture verses you have questions on maybe we can explore them together? |
| Randal W Deese |
Jesus is the only one who bound the Strong Man. You need to do research on that passage if you think it is talking about individual “strong men” in people…. Jesus is the one who bound the Strong Man. The phrase bind the strong man (or strongman) is a reference to a passage in the book of Mark, where Jesus is responding to some Jewish scribes who were accusing Him of being possessed by Beelzebul. Their argument was that “by the prince of demons he is driving out demons†(Mark 3:22). In other words, the reason the demons listened to Jesus was that they were in league with Him and recognized Him as their commanding officer, so to speak.Jesus refuted their blasphemous argument with plain logic: “How can Satan cast out Satan?†(Mark 3:23) and then gave them a parable. First, Jesus spoke of the principle of a divided kingdom, which cannot stand (verses 24–26). Then He told them, “No one can enter a strong man’s house without first tying him up. Then he can plunder the strong man’s house†(Mark 3:27). Jesus refers to Satan as the “strong man†and to Himself as the One who enters the house and plunders the place. Of course, before Satan allows his domain to be “plundered,†he must be incapacitated. Jesus was not in league with Satan, as the scribes suggested, but had come to the earth, to what is essentially Satan’s “house†(1 John 5:19), in order to bind Satan and plunder his “goods,†which are the souls of men (John 17:15; Luke 4:18; Ephesians 4:8).A parallel passage says this: “When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own house, his possessions are safe. But when someone stronger attacks and overpowers him, he takes away the armor in which the man trusted and divides up his plunder†(Luke 11:21–22). Satan is strong, and he holds possessions that he guards jealously. But Jesus is the One who was and is stronger than the strong man. He is the only One who can bind the strong man and rescue us from his clutches (see John 12:31). |
| Don McJackson |
But this is NOT what Orthodox church teaches Randal W Deese From my linger quote just a simple reading of a prayer by a priest should do the trick Do you disagree ? |
| Randal W Deese |
Don McJackson Read it more carefully… it is important to be precise |
| Randal W Deese |
Summary: The disciples cast out demons, but they never bound them or Satan. |
| Leon Bible |
Above you said: “The disciples cast out demons, but they never bound them or Satan.”Hum… How do you know? Were you there for every waking minute of their lives? |
| Randal W Deese |
Leon Bible I believe we are to practice what the Bible shows, not what is invisible. With that mentally we could teach anything we wanted… SMH in that one |
| Leon Bible |
Randal W Deese SO… When did the BIble “show” that we should turn on the lights at church? |
| Randal W Deese |
Leon Bible Didn’t know that was a doctrinal practice… Hmm |
| Leon Bible |
Randal W Deese You really need to listen to this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUvGz0hMezA&t=539s About 20:00 really address your confusion. |
| Randal W Deese |
This man got it right: Warning – only for those who love the truth!https://www.worldviewweekend.com/…/why-it-not-biblical… |
| Joseph D. Absher |
People that love truth don’t use straw man arguments. Binding a capital S satan is obviously ridiculous. As if one prayer could bind all the evil and sin of this world. It might be important to mention at this point God himself has not yet bound the freewill of men, that choose evil and sin and the kingdom of darkness. |
| Randal W Deese |
It doesn’t matter if it is a straw man argument.. any argument would win. It is an unbiblical practice that is practiced by those who ignore Biblical hermeneutics and is equivalent to baptizing for the dead. |
| Don McJackson |
Randal Dont you offer foods on a dead mans grave in Orthodoxy aka Prayer for the Departed or panahida for the dead? From the Life of the Holy Abbess Athanasia: ” Athanasia appeared to the sisters and said: ‘Let everyone know that alms given for a departed soul during the forty days after death, as well as food offered to the hungry, are pleasing to God. If the departed souls are sinful, they thus are pardoned by God; #helloif they are righteous, the good deeds thus performed serve to save the souls of the survivors who perform them.’ †(Lives of the Saints)good deeds saving souls? dead men pardoned by God after death because of works?panahida prayer for forgiving already dead man? #hello#SolaFide my brother #keepITreal 🙂 |
| Randal W Deese |
Don McJackson You get confused about what Orthodx people have said compared to what is official Orthodox doctrineFor example, there isn’t an official view in the eschatology of Revelation. There is a majority view. I recommend you but an Orthodox theology book. It will help alot |
| Randal W Deese |
Don McJackson Also, don’t get confused with some Orthodox customs vs theology… |
| Don McJackson |
Randal you never answered my question again |
| Robbie Asbury |
just my third party perspective to the topic. Often I wonder why some people want to limit the power of God? Jesus said we would do greater things then He right? I can look in the bible and never find many things not specifically written in the word yet the Holy Ghost lets me know its wrong or not wrong to do or say.Now anything we do is because of God and all power is His so if led and directed to do anything regardless of verbage would it not be wise to simply obey the prompting in the Spirit? or to listen to man that says nay because they have never been led in the same way in such a circumstance?My fear is that we can become so smart and knowledgeable about the scriptures that we do not allow God to further use us for His purposes.This is just my in general observance by the way. |
| Melvin Shomo |
Well the believer does have the power and authority over the devil. Even over our own health.We can either exercise our authority in Christ, or give place to the devil.The choice is left up to us.Jesus has instructed the believer that Satan has no power uless we relinquish our authority over to him.Much like many Churches are doing when they call for the elders of the church to anoint them with oil. They pray that the Lord works through the doctors hands because they do not understand how to bind Satan and speak health to the ones being prayed for.John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it. Mark 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. James 5:13 Is any among you afflicted? let him pray. Is any merry? let him sing psalms.14 Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:15 And the prayer of faith shall save the sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Yes the leaders in our Churches are failing the people because of doubt and unbelief.Mathew 18:18 Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. |
| Anthony McCabe |
Derrick Stokes ~To “Rebuke” YES!! but to “Bind??”One of the most common expressions in contemporary Christianity is “I bind you, Satan, in the name of Jesus.†Biblically however, the phrase “binding and loosing†has nothing whatsoever to do with demons.First, when Jesus told the disciples, “Whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven†(Matthew 16:19), he was not talking about demons but discipline. In other words, in the context of church discipline, those who repent are to be “loosed†(i.e., restored to fellowship). Those who persist in sin are to be “bound†(i.e., removed from fellowship). Demons are totally foreign to the context.Furthermore, humans are not authorized anywhere in Scripture to “bind or loose†Satan. Even the archangel Michael did not tackle Satan on his own. Despite his wisdom and power, he called on God to rebuke Satan. Christians should never suppose that they are smart enough to engage Satan on their own. Rather they, like Michael, should pray, “The Lord rebuke you†(Jude 9).Finally, while it makes sense to ask the Lord to “bind†the power of demons in the sense of thwarting their plans to undo us, to “loose†Satan and his minions makes no sense at all. Thus, common sense alone should be enough to convince us that biblically “binding and loosing†has nothing whatsoever to do with demons.“If your brother sins against you, go and show him his fault, just between the two of you. If he listens to you, you have won your brother over. But if he will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’ If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, treat him as you would a pagan or a tax collector. “I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven. “Again, I tell you that if two of you on earth agree about anything you ask for, it will be done for you by my Father in heaven. For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them.â€Matthew 18:15–20 |
| Ray E Horton |
I disagree! I like Andrew Wommack’s explanation in his commentary on Matt. 16:19: “The word that is used for “bind†(Greek – “DEOâ€) is the same Greek word that Jesus used when He spoke of binding the strong man (or controlling demon) and spoiling his goods (Matthew 12:29 and Mark 3:27). This binding, then, is actually speaking of spiritual warfare.”A key symbolizes authority or power. Whoever has the key has the authority to open or close whatever is locked. Likewise, Jesus gave us the authority to bind demonic powers and loose people from their dominion (see note 5 at Matthew 18:17 and note 6 at Matthew 18:18).” |
| Anthony McCabe |
Ray E Horton ~YES, I agree with Andrew Wommack too (a great teacher) and YES, the “Demonic Powers” but NOT the “devil himself” as the binding of the fallen one will be done at the end.Shalom and blessings to you |
| John B. Gaither |
Wow |
| Don McJackson |
Derrick Stokes bottom line – if the strong man is satan, Jesus is very clear the church has the power to bind him The Greek is pretty clear https://www.facebook.com/groups/pentecostaltheologygroup/permalink/1653805308007811/ |
Isara Mo
Whatsover you bind verse has no limitation…Satan notwithstanding…..
Louise Cummings
What ever you bind on earth , shall be bound in Heaven. What ever we loose on Earth shall be loosed in Heaven. But that I don’t think is talking about Satan I think it’s talking about things things of spiritual warfare.
Louise Cummings
I have prayed many times and prayed to bind Satan. But I wasn’t talking about the devil himself. I was talking about problems he was causing. Or I have prayed , get your hands off of me devil. You are under my feet.
Louise Cummings
One more thing. I’ll let someone els comment Satan would come before the Lord. And the Lord ask what he had been doing. He said from walking two and fro. In the earth. He said yes but I can’t harm him. You have a hedge around him. You can’t get to him but let the hedge down and he will curse you to your face. God said try him , but you can’t take his life. Satan can’t go any further than God will allow him to. Jobs hedge was the blood. Because everyday , Job would offer a sacrifice to the Lord. One for him and one for his children. When Satan had leave to try Job. The first thing he took was Jobs animals. Why? Because Job didn’t have anything to offer a sacrifice with. But Job held on. But I said that to say this. Now we have The Only Blood that was shed on Calvary. Satan can’t get through Noe. Unless you let go of The Blood Stained Banner Of Jesus Christ. Never let go. The only Sacrifice Of Precious Lamb is the Only Blood that will cleanse our sins. And I think it’s alright , Lord Build a hedge around that Satan can never have me. Wash me in Your Blood. Cleanse me with Your Blood. I just thought that was a good point. I always want to stay washed in The or His Blood.
Varnel Watson
Isara Mo dont know about binding satan but DO not about the command to deal with Jezebel or else…
RichardAnna Boyce
Matthew 16:19
Binding and loosing were common rabbinic terms that meant to include or exclude, to permit or forbid, to declare a precept not binding, or to impose an obligation. Peter and the other apostles would make decisions for God’s new community that would prohibit or permit certain teaching and practices in the newly formed Church. His leadership would impact the Church’s direction throughout the age. Later Jesus delegated this authority to other apostles as well (Matt 18:18). The Book of Acts shows Peter and the other apostles making important decisions under the guidance of the Holy Spirit at the Council of Jerusalem (Acts 15:6-29). The validity of the Church’s decisions in any age are only as valid as the extent to which they conform to Scripture.
RichardAnna Boyce
Matthew 18:18
Binding and loosing refer to the judicial authority that belongs to a body of believers in exercising church discipline. Literally the Greek states, “whatever you bind (i.e., prohibit) on earth” shall have been “bound in heaven and whatever you loose (i.e., permit) on earth” shall have been “loosed in heaven” (cf. 16:19). Some teach that the person so disciplined is excluded not only from the assembly, but also from eternal life. This, however, presses the meaning too far in light of passages such as John 10:28-29. A believer can and sometimes does become rebellious. Treating him like a “heathen” or a “tax collector” refers to recognizing an impenitent, immoral state, not whether he or she is regenerate.
Varnel Watson
what do you think about Jezebel RichardAnna Boyce
RichardAnna Boyce
never thought of her before i joined here; can’t find her in NT.
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce Revelation 2?
RichardAnna Boyce
False teacher, maybe a believer. Revelation 2:24-25
The Lord now addresses those in Thyatira who refused to listen to Jezebel and her disciples. Apparently Jezebel tried to convince people that her teachings were truly “the depths” of Christian doctrine and practice—the deep things of God—but our Lord called her teachings “the depths of Satan.” The Lord promised the believers who stood strong that He would “put on them no other burden,” that is, not give them any new instructions. They were simply to continue to do what they had been doing—to stand against false teaching and to “hold fast” until Christ comes (a reference to the Rapture of the Church).
Varnel Watson
be nice to know Joe Absher Isara Mo Robert Borders
Joe Absher
Acts 16:31 KJV — And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Certainly we need the whole counsel of God . but I think binding and loosing is sufficiently established in scripture .
I bind I rebuke I stand against you in Jesus name I pray a hedge of protection . a wall of fire . according to the word of God devil you can’t have my family I bind you in Jesus name
Rev Doyle Rogers Retireed
I believe that the strongest and most powerful words we can say to the devil …are these ……Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. I believe that there that ( in their flesh ) rail against him inadvertently to their own destruction. The Lord in us is our power against Satan. not our flesh……………………………………………………………………… The Apostle Paul wrote Rom_7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom_7:20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom_8:11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Isara Mo
Jude 1:8-9
Isara Mo
Treading on serpents scorpions and OVER ALL THE POWER of the evil one sounds limitless.. not only to BIND but go beyond
Varnel Watson
Isara Mo Jude dont say that now does he?