End times..end times.
Only Noah knew what going on….before He wiped off everything and reserve 8…
This time?
Jesus said Only the Father knows the hour..the day.
Troy Day Pentecostal views(??) on end time doesn’t matter much at this hour.
If you give a patient on ICU and inheritance will it really matter?
Such is our views…
Actually, although the pre-trib, pre-mil position is dominant in Pentecostalism, other views are represented too. And many of the earliest Pentecostals (including Charles Parham) were partial rapturists–multiple raptures–believing on the basis of the parable of the 10 Virgins that those who were prepared and had the oil (sanctified or baptized in the Spirit) would be raptured pre-trib, but others would be raptured later.
Founders of my Pentecostal Denomination believed like John Weasley amillinial. Now our fellowship believes Futurism but few understand many old timers in Pentecost followed Holiness eschatology like Weasley.
which one is your Pentecostal Denomination? b/c with some certainty Wesley held pre-mil especially as referred to the Rev 20 text – in his view on free-will and a-mil Wesley was anti-Augustinian meaning he believed in pre-mil and in free-will which Augustine disbelieved being a strong – amil in his eschatology This detail discussion on Wesley has been going on for sometimes in modern day Methodism http://archives.gcah.org/bitstream/handle/10516/596/Methodist-History-10-1989-Brown.pdf?sequence=1
Our founders of the Congregational Holiness movement like Waston Sorrows were amillinial or tolerant of it. Our present leaders are like others that sheepishly admit that our eschatology became alone slowly. Holiness commentator Adam Clarke I assume was influential in this area.
The CH and PH (Oral Roberts) pentecostal denomination Split in 1922 over weather believers should go to doctors or not. CH said yes but we have since reconciled and share Emanuel college and are sister denominations trying to possible become one again. Neither ours nor all our other Pentecostal denominational brothers are completely proud or forthright with all of our history. Our oldest disciples as the COG COGP A/G would be shocking to modern Pentecostals today. A/G used to articulate Sactification as entire as COG and PH still do but meant different things. We all used to be against movies and were very open to pacifism and it were pacifist. Jewry, make up, short hair on women, long hair on men was forbidden. Etc. Eschatology was not as spelled out as it is today. I think Vinson Synan would enlighten very much on this as a PH Pentecostal historian. I have picked his brain and much of our modern leaders are ashamed of today were very important to our founders. Weather we have positively evolved of negatively is a hot topic.
I have to agree with this part of what Dr Paul L. King already stated
perhaps through much of the 20th century pre-trib pre-mil was the most prominent, but not totally. Many of the earliest Pentecostals in the first decade of Pentecostalism were partial rapturists, believing on the basis of the parable of the 10 virgins that those who were prepared (had oil in their lamps, i.e., were sanctified or baptized in the Spirit) would be raptured //
personally, I don’t subscribe to a “rapture” but if I were pre-trib rapture I would say being regenerated is the only qualification. Christ is coming back for his own.
Actually, there is not a one-size fits all in Pentecostalism. Yes, perhaps through much of the 20th century pre-trib pre-mil was the most prominent, but not totally. Many of the earliest Pentecostals in the first decade of Pentecostalism were partial rapturists, believing on the basis of the parable of the 10 virgins that those who were prepared (had oil in their lamps, i.e., were sanctified or baptized in the Spirit) would be raptured earlier and those who were not prepared would be raptured later.
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Link Hudson
What is important is truth not how truly Pentecostal it is.
Varnel Watson
pre-mil pre-Trib – for true Pentecostals only
Louise Cummings
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Isara Mo
End times..end times.
Only Noah knew what going on….before He wiped off everything and reserve 8…
This time?
Jesus said Only the Father knows the hour..the day.
Troy Day Pentecostal views(??) on end time doesn’t matter much at this hour.
If you give a patient on ICU and inheritance will it really matter?
Such is our views…
Varnel Watson
pre-trab rapture is truly Pentecostal Link Hudson
Link Hudson
That opinion dpes not affect how things will occur.
Varnel Watson
It depends on the true Pentecostal theology
Link Hudson
Troy Day Where did most Pentecostal pastors study theology.
It doesn’t matter if it’s ‘true Pentecostal theology.’ What matters is the truth God has revealed and what God plans to do.
Bible over tradition.
Varnel Watson
ask Pompeo – he knows true Pentecostal doctrine http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/pompeo-rapture/
Charles Page
Link Hudson Luther Rice Seminary
Paul L. King
Actually, although the pre-trib, pre-mil position is dominant in Pentecostalism, other views are represented too. And many of the earliest Pentecostals (including Charles Parham) were partial rapturists–multiple raptures–believing on the basis of the parable of the 10 Virgins that those who were prepared and had the oil (sanctified or baptized in the Spirit) would be raptured pre-trib, but others would be raptured later.
Link Hudson
What about Luther Rice seminary?
Jevan Little
Pan-Trib
Varnel Watson
Charles Page is this like Pan-Am that went down in the 60s?
Jerome Herrick Weymouth
Jevan Little
Me too! I’m a pretribber turned into a pan tribber and Having mid-tribulation thoughts!
John Duncan
Founders of my Pentecostal Denomination believed like John Weasley amillinial. Now our fellowship believes Futurism but few understand many old timers in Pentecost followed Holiness eschatology like Weasley.
Varnel Watson
which one is your Pentecostal Denomination? b/c with some certainty Wesley held pre-mil especially as referred to the Rev 20 text – in his view on free-will and a-mil Wesley was anti-Augustinian meaning he believed in pre-mil and in free-will which Augustine disbelieved being a strong – amil in his eschatology This detail discussion on Wesley has been going on for sometimes in modern day Methodism http://archives.gcah.org/bitstream/handle/10516/596/Methodist-History-10-1989-Brown.pdf?sequence=1
John Duncan
Troy Day you are right. I mis spoke. Adam Clarke was the influential amillianial commentator I should have referred to. https://www.studylight.org/commentaries/acc/revelation-20.html
John Duncan
Our founders of the Congregational Holiness movement like Waston Sorrows were amillinial or tolerant of it. Our present leaders are like others that sheepishly admit that our eschatology became alone slowly. Holiness commentator Adam Clarke I assume was influential in this area.
John Duncan
The CH and PH (Oral Roberts) pentecostal denomination Split in 1922 over weather believers should go to doctors or not. CH said yes but we have since reconciled and share Emanuel college and are sister denominations trying to possible become one again. Neither ours nor all our other Pentecostal denominational brothers are completely proud or forthright with all of our history. Our oldest disciples as the COG COGP A/G would be shocking to modern Pentecostals today. A/G used to articulate Sactification as entire as COG and PH still do but meant different things. We all used to be against movies and were very open to pacifism and it were pacifist. Jewry, make up, short hair on women, long hair on men was forbidden. Etc. Eschatology was not as spelled out as it is today. I think Vinson Synan would enlighten very much on this as a PH Pentecostal historian. I have picked his brain and much of our modern leaders are ashamed of today were very important to our founders. Weather we have positively evolved of negatively is a hot topic.
Varnel Watson
I have to agree with this part of what Dr Paul L. King already stated
perhaps through much of the 20th century pre-trib pre-mil was the most prominent, but not totally. Many of the earliest Pentecostals in the first decade of Pentecostalism were partial rapturists, believing on the basis of the parable of the 10 virgins that those who were prepared (had oil in their lamps, i.e., were sanctified or baptized in the Spirit) would be raptured //
Charles Page
Dr King couldn’t make up his mind if it was sanctification or baptism with the Holy Spirit that make us rapture ready.
Varnel Watson
neither did early Pentecostals – which one would you say it is
Charles Page
personally, I don’t subscribe to a “rapture” but if I were pre-trib rapture I would say being regenerated is the only qualification. Christ is coming back for his own.
Varnel Watson
could one BE taken in the “rapture” except IF subscribe to a “rapture” ?
Paul King
Actually, there is not a one-size fits all in Pentecostalism. Yes, perhaps through much of the 20th century pre-trib pre-mil was the most prominent, but not totally. Many of the earliest Pentecostals in the first decade of Pentecostalism were partial rapturists, believing on the basis of the parable of the 10 virgins that those who were prepared (had oil in their lamps, i.e., were sanctified or baptized in the Spirit) would be raptured earlier and those who were not prepared would be raptured later.
Max Gross
Excuse me, why haven’t you all floated off to Heaven. The Rapture was on April 23!!!