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Revelation 6:14 (KJV)
14 “And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together;
and every mountain and island were moved out of their places”.
The language is symbolic and does not literally refer to the Heavens,and every Mountain and Island, so what do they represent?
Anonymous
this is where Israel will hide Duane L Burgess
America not so much of course
America without the true church shall be no more
Link Hudson will garden with his wife under fire and brimstone rain
Gary Micheal Epping will wait for manna to fall in the caves of holy Montana
Nelson Banuchi has not shared his prepper plan NOR has J.D. King
Neil Steven Lawrence Michael Chauncey Jerome Herrick Weymouth Darnell Henson Jr. be going home before trib Oscar Valdez maybe in the last disp
Philip Williams shall be saved by the pope alone
Or sell some realties to Bill Johnson of the Bethel cult
Peter Vandever knows what I Am talking about
Anonymous
Troy Day the meek will inherit the earth, definitely not the Jews.
Anonymous
Philip Williams the “meek“ doesn’t mean weak! 
Anonymous
Neil Steven Lawrence the meek means meek. That’s a Christian value. It is not a Jewish value. Jews don’t believe in turning the other cheek.
Anonymous
Troy Day i didn’t say I would be gardening diring the great tribulation. You just made assertions about my abilities and I addressed that.
I do not know if I will be alive, but my plan would have to be a ‘seek ye first’ strategy.
Anonymous
Philip Williams “Meek” carries with it the idea of having the power to be dangerous, or to overwhelm your enemy BUT choosing to reserve that power only for the right time. I’m thinking about the Roosevelt doctrine of: “walk softly, but carry a big stick.“
I would say that you are correct, in analyzing that the Jews are not meek because they are prideful in their sinful condition.
Meekness is a unique quality of people who are filled with the Holy Spirit. But in no way, does it imply weakness, which many people mistakenly think. 
Anonymous
Neil Steven Lawrence I nowhere suggested that meek implies weakness. As I well know, God does protect his people, those who believe and trust in him. Thus, Jesus sent his disciples without arms, even without money. Throughout the Bible, the Lord taught his people not to depend on the size of their armies.
Jews don’t believe the Bible. Their holy book is the Talmud. They don’t believe that God will look after them because he hasn’t, but neither have they called on him. Rather, they openly reject him. Jews believe they must look after themselves with all means available except trusting in God.
These Jewish values are corrupting America and corrupting evangelical Christians who are rejecting the teachings of Jesus for Jewish values. Sadly, many are even abandoning Jesus for Judaism.
Anonymous
Philip Williams
I was not implying that you think meekness equals weakness I was simply bringing what I understand to be the correct view of meekness to the discussion.
For sure the Jews are in the flesh which brings about all kinds of mess.
Whether we can equate The moral spiritual and cultural downfall of America to Jewish corruption I would hesitate to blame it only on one people. Especially since the Jews are minority,  though they are a minority that has a great influence on America. 
I would rather say that there is a wide range of forces which are aiming to bring down America, especially spiritual forces, for they know that as America goes, so goes the world. America is the linchpin. Even Iran knows this by them calling Israel, the little Satan and America, the great Satan. 
Anonymous
Troy Day What’s a “preppier plan”? You mean whatever pre-trib plan I have? I have none. I don’t adhere to a rapture before the trip (not sure I hold to the whole idea of rapture in the first place).
Anonymous
Neil Steven Lawrence true, America has itself to blame as even Christians choose the ways of the world over the teachings of Jesus. That wasn’t the way this nation started. The Pilgrims were fleeing the world when they came to America. God did bless them as they sought to see the appearing of the Kingdom of God. Today however evangelicals toss our fathers under the bus as they look for God’s Kingdom on earth to come from those who despise him. They view the people of God in racist terms, one that is so contrary to the Bible. They crow over the military success of Israel while despising the land of their forefathers. The America we are seeing is much the result of evangelical teachings. America they say is not God’s concern except that it must champion the nation of those who despise Jesus!
Anonymous
Link Hudson you didnt say any of that?
I read no less than 3pg of your wife harvesting grain and you store it in barrels that you cannot buy without 666 mark
How are you planning to live during Trib then?
Anonymous
Nelson Banuchi How are you planning to live during Trib then?
Anonymous
Troy Day i did not say I would or would not garden during the tribulation.
What I have to do then is the same as Christians must do in the current time seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness. You are familiar with the rest of the verse, right? That is my plan for food drinking and clothing.
Anonymous
Link Hudson How are you planning to live during Trib then?
Not sure what you dont understand in plain English 🙂
I dont think you know what you are talking about actually
but its pretty plainly said – a little Greek may help you again
https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/if-exegeted-correctly-how-would-the-hermeneutical-interpretation-change-in-revelation-310-closed/
Anonymous
Troy Day I don’t know if I will be alive during the tribulation. If I am, I will have to follow the ‘Seek ye first the kingdom of God’ strategy.
Anonymous
quite simple actually – not sure why you cant exegete 5-6 words 🙂
Anonymous
Philip Williams America is becoming more popish than ever Neil Steven Lawrence
Anonymous
Troy Day because Protestant evangelicals have abandoned her.
Anonymous
Philip Williams could be or could be not – but pope is taking over ALL
Anonymous
Troy Day the Pope isn’t even Catholic!
Anonymous
Philip Williams this pope is already a charismatic muslim Peter Vandever
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Anonymous
Troy Day Faithfully. How else?
Anonymous
Nelson Banuchi you will live where?
you will eat what?
you will live faithfully how?
Asking for Gary Micheal Epping
Anonymous
Troy Day how should I know? Isn’t our Life in Christ the life of faith?
Anonymous
Nelson Banuchi yes he is How do you know what you will do eat how to survive today ? Playing plain dumb with the Tribulation will be NO way to survive it
Anonymous
Troy Day Not playing dumb, just trusting Him as I’ve always bee doing thus far… and He hasn’t failed me, yet.
Anonymous
Nelson Banuchi if you say so it may turn so
but then again who knows – I know you and I dont know
Anonymous
Troy Day however it goes, I’ll be with Jesus forever afterwards. So, it will turn out okay in the end for me
Anonymous
Kyle Williams do you care to respond to the Internal Evidence from within the document itself. In addition to the external evidence from the church fathers, the book of Revelation has many internal indications that support the late date.[73]
ARGUMENT #1: The late date explains why John, Paul, and Timothy never mention one another together in Ephesus.
If the early date is true, then John would have been leading in Ephesus at the same time as Paul and Timothy. Why would Paul leave Timothy in charge of the Ephesian church if the apostle John was there? Moreover, at the end of 2 Timothy, Paul mentions 17 coworkers by name, but he never mentions John. We are not merely making an argument from silence. This is a conspicuous silence. Why wouldn’t Paul mention such a spiritual titan like John? Likewise, why wouldn’t Jesus mention Paul or Timothy when writing to the church of Ephesus? (Rev. 2:1-7) Witherington writes, “The lack of apostolic presence and, by contrast, the presence of powerful prophets (both John and those he calls false prophets) seem to reflect a time after the apostles had died off late in the first century A.D. (cf. the Didache).”[74]
ARGUMENT #2: The late date explains why Paul and Jesus give conflicting reports about false teachers in Ephesus.
Paul’s letters to Ephesus and Jesus’ letter to Ephesus give conflicting reports regarding false teachers. On the one hand, Paul writes about men who “teach strange doctrines” (1 Tim. 1:3) and the “doctrines of demons” (1 Tim. 4:1). Paul even mentions several false teachers by name: Hymenaeus, Alexander, and Philetus (1 Tim. 1:20; 2 Tim. 2:17). Yet, Jesus’ letter to Ephesus tells a different story. Instead of being riddled with false teachers, Jesus says, “You cannot tolerate evil men, and you put to the test those who call themselves apostles, and they are not, and you found them to be false… You hate the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate” (Rev. 2:2, 6). This is quite unlike the church of Pergamum who “have some who… hold the teaching of the Nicolaitans” (Rev. 2:15).
ARGUMENT #3: The late date explains how the church in Smyrna had time to grow before receiving a letter from Jesus.
Polycarp wrote a letter to the Philippians in AD 110. In it, he states that the Smyrnaeans weren’t believers when Paul wrote his letter to the Philippians in AD 60-61.
[You Philippians] are praised in the beginning of his Epistle. For concerning you he boasts in all the Churches who then alone had known the Lord, for we had not yet known him.[75]
Polycarp was the bishop of Smyrna. So, his use of the plural “we” refers to “the church at Smyrna,” which would “indicate that that church was not in existence at the time in question.”[76] Put simply, Polycarp is claiming that “when Paul wrote Philippians no Smyrneans had yet been evangelized.”[77]
Craig Blomberg[78] and Gordon Fee[79] date Philippians to AD 61. Therefore, Polycarp maintains that the church in Smyrna didn’t exist before this time. This, of course, carried difficulties for the early date advocate. It requires a church entering Smyrna and springing up all within a 4-5 year span. Acts 19:10 says that “All who lived in Asia heard the word of the Lord,” but this is hyperbolic language. This doesn’t mean that a church specifically existed in the city of Smyrna. Moreover, Paul never mentions a church existing in Smyrna in any of his letters.
ARGUMENT #4: The late date explains how the church in Laodicea had time to plummet spiritually by AD 65.
D.A. Carson, Douglas Moo,[80] and P.T. O’Brien[81] date Colossians to AD 60-61. Paul mentions a thriving church in Laodicea at this time (Col. 2:2; 4:13, 16). However, if Revelation was written in AD 65, then this church must have plummeted spiritually in just a few years. In fact, they had become so bad, that Christ threatened to vomit them out of his mouth! (Rev. 3:16) Of course, spiritual decline can occur quickly (Gal. 1:6), but which is more likely? A quick decline or a slower decline?
ARGUMENT #5: The late date explains Jesus’ words to the church in Laodicea in light of the great earthquake of AD 60.
The entire region around Laodicea suffered a massive earthquake in AD 60. In fact, the region suffered until at least AD 80,[82] and the “archaeological evidence at Laodicea points to a thirty-year rebuilding process.”[83]
And yet, Jesus told the Laodiceans that they are “wealthy” and “have need of nothing” (Rev. 3:16). If the early date is true, it would be quite cruel to tell a destroyed city that they are “wealthy” and “have need of nothing.” However, if the late date is true, this would make perfect sense. Tacitus mentions that the Laodiceans refused all aid from the Roman Empire after the earthquake.[84] They rebuilt their city all on their own, because they were “wealthy” and had “need of nothing.” Hemer writes, “There is good reason for seeing Rev. 3.17 against the background of the boasted afluence [sic] of Laodicea, notoriously exemplified in her refusal of Roman aid and her carrying through a great programme of reconstruction in a spirit of proud independence and ostentatious individual benefaction.”[85]
Anonymous
hey Kyle Williams are you going to run this by your calvinator forum first? Shall @everyone expect your response before Christmas or in 2024 or ever @ all ?
Anonymous
What is there to respond to? If im to have a conversation with you, i would like to have it with you and not Wikipedia and internet blogs. Do you truly have nothing better to do than to tag me in 14 Comments on 6 different posts in the span of two hours? If we’re going to converse, let’s converse, but I don’t have time for this.
Anonymous
Kyle Williams oh what is there to respond to 🙂 Glad you asked – precisely 5 solid internal evidence proofs you asked for. Sorry you are out of ammo and your early Rev. date just went down the drain AND with it about 99% of your fake reformed eschatology. That’s ALL for now! Figures youD say you would NO time and run away from discussing !!!
Anonymous
Troy Day so, pure conjecture counts as solid argumentation now? Do remember we are discussing the evidence itself and not various opinions held about the evidence. So if it’s OK with you I would like to move past the conjecture about “why this” and “why that” and move on to actual internal evidence and not conjecture. Let’s start with the fact that either there is a physical temple in Jerusalem in Revelation 11, or dispensationalists as yourself are moving the goalposts as the ball is mid air.
Are you suggesting that Rev. 11:1 is allegory?
Anonymous
Kyle Williams I would recommend you read SUETONIUS on Titus and Domitian. We can start our talk from there
Anonymous
Kyle Williams why dont you just respond to the 5 arguments. They are just for starters and there are more to come
Anonymous
Troy Day something that stuck out to me. You mention a thriving church at Laodecia and give references, however running the references kind of leaves a guy who understands the scriptures scratching his head. Neither of the references mention a thriving church in a Laodecia. Only that there is a church in Laodecia and that the apostle has concern for the brothers there.
There is nothing in the text that suggests a thriving church necessarily.
The question of which is more likely ; a slow or rapid decline lends to more conjecture than anything. It appears that the apostle Paul, at least in some measure, is concerned that a “spiritual decline” in Laodecia is a threat to which they’re susceptible;
Colossians 2:1-4 ESV
[1] For I want you to know how great a struggle I have for you and for those at Laodicea and for all who have not seen me face to face, [2] that their hearts may be encouraged, being knit together in love, to reach all the riches of full assurance of understanding and the knowledge of God’s mystery, which is Christ, [3] in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. [4] I say this in order that no one may delude you with plausible arguments.
So to my point concerning your “internal evidence” I could grant that yes a late date ‘could’ explain why these things are true, but it is all conjecture and none of the things you have mentioned necessitates the late date, or even really would cause one to favor the late date, unless of course they were already inclined that way.