In Exodus 3:18 Moses is commanded to gather the Israelite elders, go to Phara0h and say “יְהוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֤י הָֽעִבְרִיִּים֙ נִקְרָ֣ה עָלֵ֔ינוּ וְעַתָּ֗ה נֵֽלֲכָה־נָּ֞א דֶּ֣רֶךְ שְׁלֹ֤שֶׁת יָמִים֙ בַּמִּדְבָּ֔ר וְנִזְבְּחָ֖ה לַֽיהוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֵֽינוּ” “The Lord, the God of the Hebrews appeared to us and now please let us go a journey of three days into the wilderness and we will slaughter to the Lord, our God.”
But in Exodus 5:1, Moses changes the words when talking to Pharaoh and says “כֹּֽה־אָמַ֤ר יְהוָה֙ אֱלֹהֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל שַׁלַּח֙ אֶת־עַמִּ֔י וְיָחֹ֥גּוּ לִ֖י בַּמִּדְבָּֽר” “So said the Lord, God of Israel, ‘send out my nation and they will celebrate to me in the wilderness.'” Pharoah responds (Exodus 5:2) by claiming ignorance of the Lord, saying “מִ֤י יְהוָה֙ אֲשֶׁ֣ר אֶשְׁמַ֣ע בְּקֹל֔וֹ לְשַׁלַּ֖ח אֶת־יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל לֹ֤א יָדַ֙עְתִּי֙ אֶת־יְהוָ֔ה וְגַ֥ם אֶת־יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל לֹ֥א אֲשַׁלֵּֽחַ” “who is the Lord that I should listen to his voice to send out Israel; I don’t know the Lord and also Israel I will not send out.”
In the very next verse however, Moses reverts back to the message that God had told him to use and says “אֱלֹהֵ֥י הָעִבְרִ֖ים נִקְרָ֣א עָלֵ֑ינוּ נֵ֣לֲכָה נָּ֡א דֶּרֶךְ֩ שְׁלֹ֨שֶׁת יָמִ֜ים בַּמִּדְבָּ֗ר וְנִזְבְּחָה֙ לַֽיהוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֵ֔ינוּ” “the God of the Hebrews appeared to us and now please let us go a journey of three days into the wilderness and we will slaughter to the Lord, our God.” This time Pharaoh doesn’t deny any knowledge of God but instead accuses Moses and Aaron of distracting the Israelites from their task and being lazy.
The simple reading of the text implies that Pharaoh did not know who the God of the Israelites was but did know who the God of the Hebrews was. And unlike the God of the Israelites, Pharaoh had at least some level of respect for the God of the Hebrews.
Is is possible that Pharaoh did not know that the God of the Israelites was the same as the God of the Hebrews? Is this evidence that the term Israelite and Hebrew were not viewed are referencing the same people (i.e. that Israelites were a subset of Hebrews)?
And if there was a really a difference between the terms, why did Moses change God’s message?
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This believer must candidly admit here that he has been very deeply ‘impacted by the Hebrew roots’.
As a matter of fact, my Lord and Savior Himself is The King of the Jews, and roughly 30% of the New Covenant I love refers to, or directly quotes the Old – and no wonder – most of its authors were Jewish!
Would you suggest that some sort of reorientation or deprogramming regimen might be advisable for someone like me?
Anonymous
hey Link Hudson were you able to find resurrection in Mt 24?
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Troy Day I found the gathering of the elect. Do you believe the gathering in II Thessalonians 2 is the rapture?
We have to compare with other scripture.
Anonymous
Why do you refer to 2 thes agian mixing and matching things that did NOT exist – where is the resurrection you speka of in MT 24? Are you unable to answer again?
AND Yes I will be happy to post MORE Sciprures so you can attack them without understanding them AS SOON as you point to where you see resurrection in Mt 24
because you see – as a basic rule of BIBLE interpretation Brett Dobbs you have to have the word resurrection in Mt 24 in order to relate Mt 24 to 1+2 Thes – cant just mix and match as you suggested that we have to match them
We dont have to match anything that does not match with the BIBLE like post-trib rapture theory
BTW while Darnell Henson Jr. Michael Chauncey Neil Steven Lawrence and even Peter Vandever have posted a definite esccahtological timline of pre-trib we are YET to see a post-tribber post any line of the last events – seems like post-tribbers have mixed and matched SO much they got confused somehow as whats fixing to happen
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Let us be alert at all times.
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Jesus spoke in terms related to the Galilean Wedding customs as an illustration the disciples would understand.
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Duane L Burgess TRUE and he spoke to JEWS alone in this narrative BUT neither Link Hudson nor Brett Dobbs can show resurrection here – is the 4 winds gathering resurrection of the dead?
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Troy Day Matthew 24:31 says that there will be a gathering at the great sound of a trumpet. From the 4 winds, which is a metaphor for the entire earth. Just like the 4 corners of the earth.
Ezekiel 37:9 (KJV)
Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
There’s your resurrection. It’s at the gathering together. Just as mentioned in Matthew 24 and in 2 Thessalonians 2:1
Anonymous
Brett Dobbs DOES Mt24 say resurrection here? Duane L Burgess or some ppl are just reading their own theology in it ???
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Ken Van Horn Philip Williams Brett Dobbs Neil Steven Lawrence
There are ten days between Rosh Hoshana (The Feast of Trumpets) and Yom Kippur (The Day of Judgment).
We shall meet the Lord in the air at the Seventh Trumpet (The Last Trumpet in Revelation) and for the next ten days the Seven Bowls of Wrath will be poured out on the Earth.
Anonymous
Troy Day Nopes sir! Dat ain’t whuts gonna happens!
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Philip Williams Oh? Jesus won’t fulfill the last three feasts in the same way He fulfilled the first four?
God is predictable. He always fulfills His Word and every promise.
Anonymous
Ken Van Horn note that the trumpets precede the feast of booths. The wicked are destroyed before he gathers the meek who will inherit the earth.
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Philip Williams First the trumpets followed by SHOUTS on the 1st day of the 7th month. Then the Day of the Lord on the 10th.
From the 15th to the 22nd is the Feast of Tabernacles.
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Ken Van Horn you getting your dates from the Karite Jews?
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Philip Williams Nope. Besides… their counting of the days only diverges for the early feasts.
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Ken Van Horn when did the barley harvest begin this year?
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Philip Williams No idea. But I know that Jesus was the first fruit of the resurrection and God raised Him from dead on the Feast of First fruits.
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Ken Van Horn the atonement will be completed at his return. No more forgiveness after that as the wicked are destroyed and the righteous rewarded.
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.pentecostaltheology
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I looked for a strictly Jewish source and found the following:
https://www.betemunah.org/teruah.html
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thats pretty much the truth right there Brett Dobbs John Mushenhouse