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Donald Trump, the 45th President is walking through the Cyrus prophecy of Isaiah 45 even as we speak! It starts in verse 1: “To Cyrus, whose right hand I have held- to subdue nations before him and to loose the loins of kings…” Trump had no interest in Syria till his heart was moved by the sight of suffering children. In this brief video I explain why God is getting this President involved with nations and what it means to “loose the loins of kings.”
Varnel Watson
This is complete minutia if you ask me Stan Wayne
Varnel Watson
In the rush to prepare Trump for his meeting with Kim Jong Un in May, the White House is overseeing a frantic scramble to resolve even the most fundamental questions on the U.S. side: Where will the summit be? Who will be at the table? What should be on the agenda?
They have about 2½ months to figure it out — a rapid timetable, especially given the tumult roiling the White House. Since shocking the world — and his staff — by agreeing to meet with Kim, Trump fired Secretary of State Rex Tillerson. He also decided to dump national security adviser H.R. McMaster when he finds a replacement.
Nelson Banuchi
I must admit, you can throw prophecies around pretty easily and apply them to lots of things/persons as has been done for years, and perhaps some might be fulfilled. I have no confidence in these guys, thus far.
It seems, for the most part, at least, genuine prophecies were directed to events far forward in years after it’s being spoken.
Varnel Watson
Wallnau – he aint a real prophet Ricky Grimsley
Varnel Watson
This “prophecy” is based on Isiah 45 chapter
Is. 45:11 states
Thus saith the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me.
HONEST QUESTION: Do you really believe Trump can command GOD?
Joseph D. Absher
Sorry I’m working on,
Luke 11:8
Joseph Kidwell
My interpretation of this passage is that God is saying; “Do you really think that you have the right to command Me?” I do not believe that we have the ability to command God. This verse is actually saying that we do not have that ability.
Nelson Banuchi
Isaiah 45 is affirming God’s claim to be the only God who created all things and rules by his power (v.5-6).
Vs.11 seems to be directed to the one “who quarrels with His maker” (v.9-10) questioning the means he uses (v.1, Cyrus, a Gentile king whom God gives the title of “His anointed,” i.e. Messiah). And so, vs.11 God challenges his antagonists with the question, if it is a question, and I paraphrase, “Who are you to question me about what I do with men whom I created? Are you, the work of my hands, going to tell me what to do?”
Joseph Kidwell
You said it better than me, Nelson Banuchi. I agree.
Scotty Searan
What is the difference between PROVE ME in Malachi and command me?
Joseph Kidwell
There is a huge difference between stepping out in faith and trying to tell God what to do.
Nelson Banuchi
Scotty Searan Depends on the text and context.
I think in Malachi God is not challenging them but inviting them to trust him.
Joseph Kidwell
Nelson Banuchi Once again, said better than me.
Scotty Searan
I am not a WOF believer. But why is the other translations so different from the KJV. Did not the KJV have the correct scriptures or were they not as smart as the translators?
Scotty Searan
I will say that in the preceding verses God does use illustrations about them questioning God.
But starting in verse 11 God changes and did say command ye me not going against his previous teaching, because he was talking about Israel striving with him. He was talking about them questioning His power.
But then he said command ye me and did start to reveal what he was going to do for Israel.. He wanted to hear their earnest pleas or commandments.
Scotty Searan
Nelson Banuchi these two places are about the only way these phrases are used in the holy scriptures. And this is where heresy can come in.
I really do not believe in commanding God or proving God.
If if not mention more than two times in the holy scriptures, it is not doctrinally sound.
Scotty Searan
I do think this prophecy is interesting to watch and see if it comes to past.
Varnel Watson
I am sorry but I just DONT SEE IT – Is 45:11
Nelson Banuchi
Just to let you guys know, I choose not to listen to the video.
Varnel Watson
How will it come to past Scotty Searan? Will Trump command God?
Scotty Searan
If it is alright for preachers to preach on ine verse and build a doctrine on PROVE ME them it will be alright for President Trump to command God
I have doubts on these scriptures being used as a doctrine
Varnel Watson
HOW will it be alright for President Trump to command God?
Scotty Searan
Is it alright to prove God? Because if it is so President Trump can command God by past practices and God could allow it and later allowed president Trump suffer the consequences if it be a wrong decision but if it be a right decision then we will be blessed
Varnel Watson
I dont see how any human can to command God?
Scotty Searan
Though I may not agree with this scripture and the one on prove me God can allow it to happen even though we don’t understand
It may seem that I agree with it no I don’t but I also see the other side of it too how God can allow that to happen
Varnel Watson
Seems that prophecy is way off after all
Scotty Searan
We will wait and see. You judge a prophecy by whether it comes true or not. Not whether we believe it or not
Varnel Watson
Well we judge a prophecy by the Bible. Many false prophecies have come to reality to lead God’s people astray. Shall a man command God?
Varnel Watson
Jan Dixon Sykes Timothy K. Wiebe Jed Foster Scotty Searan Ron Hamm Jim Price Jerome Herrick Weymouth Joseph Kidwell and others who identify with the current liberal Christian politics please speak to the existential value of this current presupposition of the church toward politics and particularly the reference to Cyrus and the upcoming war. Do you feel this is a relevant word? Should the Christian church be led by it?
Jim Price
I took time to view the UT video and compared his comments with my bible study and teaching over a lifetime and found no relevance to what he was saying. It’s a case of finding too much; like the young prospector spotting something yellow and not recognizing that it was fool’s gold. Trump is leading us very close to an expanded war, only his advisors and bringing other allies into the fray may keep us from a wider war.
Jan Dixon Sykes
Troy, I have no idea if Trump is Cyrus or not. A lot of Christians who voted for him think so. He may be or it could be how some evangelicals rationalize him to fit into their own standards. I voted for him because of a fleece I put out. I now have my own verses out of 1st Corinthians 1, which explains Trump to me.
Jan Dixon Sykes
I also think the reconstruction of Tower of Babel is a constant effort by those in power. And Trump is my wrecking ball to knock the current version down.
Varnel Watson
He is a wreck that’s fore sure but he aint no ball Actually not only he is not deconstructing towers he is restructuring the great wall He builds great towers and wall he says – have you heard? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/president-cracks-down-on-illegal-immigrants-to-build-a-wall/
Jan Dixon Sykes
If Trump is building a wall, this reinforces the “Cyrus” metaphor. The book of Ezra is about how Cyrus rebuilt the walls of Jerusalem and “built an house at Jerusalem.” Trump, also in his first year, announced how he was building an embassy in Jerusalem. ………….. If Christians believe Mexicans are great people, then they should be quite capable of making Mexico great again. Maybe we could even go there to help. If you remember, the Good Samaritan we were told to be like, never took the victim he found home. He put him up in a nearby hotel.
Varnel Watson
Jan but most evangelicals who voted for him voted on the premises of such “words” and kingdom-now ideology as discussed with Dan Irving we know it so because his plan for America was unclear and no sane person could have voted for him based on his plan http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/what-is-donald-trumps-plan-for-america/
Jan Dixon Sykes
I am fine with that list.
Jan Dixon Sykes
Then I had this thought:
Jan Dixon Sykes
And this one:
Varnel Watson
Does anyone know? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/what-is-donald-trumps-plan-for-america/
Scotty Searan
I am fine with Trumps plans.
There are some more things that should be focused on Also.
Varnel Watson
Problem is we dont know his plans. He is not following his election promises and his main leadership style is to confuse
Jan Dixon Sykes
His election promise was America First. He said he would build up the military and he is. He said he would help vets and he is letting them have vouchers to get health care at private hospitals. He said he didn’t like the TPP trade deal and he got us out. He said he would move our embassy to Jerusalem and he is. He said he would lower taxes and he has. He said he would deregulate and he has. He said he thought climate warming was a redistribution hoax and he got us out of the Paris Accord. He said he would remember the evangelicals and he gave them their freedom of political speech back without losing their tax exempt status. He said he wanted to repeal and replace Obamacare, but Congress wouldn’t agree, so he killed the mandate tax. He hired Betsy DeVos to kill Common Core.
Scotty Searan
How am I supporting kingdom-now?
Varnel Watson
by voting in office people who support such ideology hence it becomes ideology of the state – how are we all supporting Saudi Arabia by driving with their gas everyday?
Varnel Watson
Jan Dixon Sykes oh tell me
tell me
do tell me
more
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-allies-worry-that-federal-investigators-may-have-seized-recordings-made-by-his-attorney/2018/04/12/16d6345a-3e89-11e8-912d-16c9e9b37800_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d5dcbf7a24f2
Scotty Searan
The article said Trump knew his sessions were being recorded. So who knows.
I don’t like Presidents Trump unrighteous paat. Which was not right.
But i didn’t want Hillary past either.
Jan Dixon Sykes
First they came for my Enemy’s confidential attorney/client files and I did nothing because it was not me. Then they came for….
Varnel Watson
good stuff is about to come out of these files #great
Scotty Searan
To some it will be good, to others bad. We will just see how the cookie crumbles
Varnel Watson
I think it’s already pretty clear
Scotty Searan
Are you seeing something I don’t see? I don’t believe nothing CBS, NBC, ABC, NPR or CNN and I screen FOX NEWS closely
Varnel Watson
Jim Price are you teaching from this video in your sunday school class?
Jim Price
Actually my class is over 70 and about 65% voted for Trump but no one likes to talk about politics in class. Most could do so and keep their cool but it’s the 20% who get heated up and lose control of clear thinking. Some voted for T just because he was on the republican ticket and now realize that he is an odd bird but don’t want to be reminded that they were fooled by 200 Russians working day and night to to make his opponent look bad.
Varnel Watson
https://www.businessinsider.com/kim-jong-un-death-rumors-health-condition-what-we-know-2020-4
Varnel Watson
Chris Westerman Ray E Horton Peter Vandever IF he is a REAL prophet can he tell us if the guy is dead or alive? why beat around the bush while looking like he had rough night drinking https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r0xBEBeEmE&feature=share&fbclid=IwAR2riVsCSpsR1GzKKbKDRe050zVCWRSIU4bb13uubEir23jT9dhN5PkkaP4
Chris Westerman
God must not have told him.
Chris Westerman
I have seen a few of his videos. Have checked him out and believe he is a prophet.
Varnel Watson
Chris Westerman talking about Rocket Man – the video this said prophet just put on is base on an older video shared in the post No one still knows if KIM died CNN reported nothing and FoxNews took down the old news they had BBC is also silent So why dont this prophet tell us if KIM is dead or alive and prove it he is or not a true prophet Neil Steven Lawrence Isara Mo
Chris Westerman
Troy Day He has proved before that he is a prophet. At least to me and many others. He predicted the Trump presidency. Google is your friend. You gotta check him out yourself–if you are interested. God does not tell every prophet “everything”.
Varnel Watson
Chris Westerman has has? I beg to differ on this one And so does William DeArteaga http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/donald-trumps-presidency-and-false-prophecy/
Varnel Watson
so he guessed 50/50 and that made him a prophet Neil Steven Lawrence Isara Mo Joe Absher Nelson Banuchi
Isara Mo
Troy Day
In the part of the world I live there are shamans who can predict future events to 100 percent perfection.
And yet they are not prophets..
A 50 /50 prophet is not a prophet.
Balam was better… lol
Joe Absher
So you’re implying he’s a false prophet . sometimes it seems like if you’re not baiting you’re phishing .
Varnel Watson
I trust William DeArteaga on this one http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/donald-trumps-presidency-and-false-prophecy/?fbclid=IwAR0GK2yCFWuV4f_9UxQYrd9qqivu6Mcw0DPzZbY0_j3rwr65HPxysn1ICn8
Chris Baudean
Cyrus was a RIGHTEOUS MAN according to the Word of God.
Varnel Watson
what does Cyrus has to do with this? Chris Baudean