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For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1 Thess. 5:3
8:00 AM not a word on christianitytoday.com
CharismaMag with a fantastic title on: Interesting Spiritual Parallels Between Trump and Kim Jong Un
- North Korea agrees to ‘complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula’ after Trump-Kim summit Fox News ·
- Trump praises meeting with Kim Jong Un, says they’re ‘going’ to a signing Fox News Trump says Kim will move immediately on denuclearization: Fox News
But there was no mentioning the previous US aim of “complete, verifiable and irreversible denuclearization.” And Kim’s commitments did not appear to go beyond what he already pledged to do in April when he met South Korean President Moon Jae-in along their countries’ border. Trump insisted during a news conference the agreement went further than many people expected. But he acknowledged the effort to rid North Korea of its nuclear arsenal was in its early stages. “We will do it as fast as it can mechanically and physically be done,” he said. More critical, in Trump’s telling, was the development of a personal bond with Kim, a brutal dictator responsible for the deaths not only of his own citizens but of at least one American, Otto Warmbier, who was returned to the US in a coma only to die days later.
Varnel Watson
William DeArteaga 8:00 AM not a word on ChristianityToday
William DeArteaga
I am not informed enough on this issue to coment.
Joe Absher
The late Dr King on,
“the drum major instinct”
https://youtu.be/_XmqjGvr8fk
Varnel Watson
Joseph Kidwell this could be the native American in me speaking BUT shouldnt the “Great” White Father speak not in a forked tongue? calling little Kim one thing on Twitter and now turning around to sing him praises? Nelson Banuchi {I think I may have figured it out}
Joseph Kidwell
Trump has no moral compass.
Varnel Watson
it is almost like his personality wants to measure up to generational world leaders and still cant grasp The Republic is exactly that: not a dynasty
Joseph Kidwell
Troy Day that’s why he admires despots and picks fights with democratically elected leaders.
Varnel Watson
it’s his political poker tail as it seems
Varnel Watson
Timothy K. Wiebe Scotty Searan What would yall say this meeting accomplished?
Timothy K. Wiebe
Promotion of dismantling oppression of the North Koreans
Varnel Watson
What is that even mean?
Ed Dantes
Kim keeps his position and is legitimatized. Trump runs the world and just put China in its place.
Timothy K. Wiebe
Oppression dismantled in NK is absolutely powerful
Varnel Watson
But Trump just legitimized Kim’s oppressive position even play a propaganda promo video
Timothy K. Wiebe
Troy Day uh, by giving him nothing? No concessions, no fallback from the sanctions, nothing.
Timothy K. Wiebe
Trump offered nothing and received a complete dismantling of nukes and destruction of test sites, as well as discussed removing oppression from Kim’s people
Timothy K. Wiebe
It’s one of the most historic and powerful events of history
Ed Dantes
Timothy K. Wiebe uhm- have you ever read between the lines with discernment.
Varnel Watson
Timothy K. Wiebe says who?
Timothy K. Wiebe
Ed Dantes amen brother
Timothy K. Wiebe
Troy Day, I’m not falling for your fake news, hate good and love evil fests, Sorry
Varnel Watson
Timothy you yourself see how things unfold
Scotty Searan
Who would have thought that when President Reagan order Russia to TEAR DOWN THIS WALL, that it would have happen,
Joseph Kidwell you say President Trump has no moral compass, what about Nancy Reagan who was practicing witchcraft, yet Christians Praised President Reagan and Nancy Reagan,
If President Reagan was practicing along with Nancy Reagan, they deserved death according to the Bible.
I am glad SO FAR, President Trump has proven the false prophets wrong.
Things can change for the worse And North Korea violate the Peace Treaty, then those False Prophets would be right.
Ok I have stirred up enough dust. I will try to go back in my Turtle shell.
Joseph Kidwell
Scotty, you are really reaching! LOL!
Varnel Watson
Scotty what are you talking about?
What Peace Treaty?
Has there been war?
They signed a simple joint statement that is non bounding in any way
It is not even as much as the Iranian deal
The joint statement provided no definition of terms, no sense of timing, no essential principles moving forward—and less than past agreements
The joint statement did not directly address North Korea’s missile development, chemical and biological weapons programs, or the human rights situation.
Scotty Searan
No war, but I consider it as one to prevent war.
Timothy K. Wiebe
Troy Day yes it did
Varnel Watson
Timothy K. Wiebe Here’a the FULL TEXT Show us where: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/972996/Trump-Kim-agreement-text-in-full-Donald-Trump-Kim-Jong-Un
Timothy K. Wiebe
“He also said Kim agreed to destroy a ‘major’ missile testing site, “
Varnel Watson
No such statement in the document they signed
Hearsay!
Do let us know when it happens.
Which site exactly?
Nothing specific
Their only site was destroyed last month
They aint got the money for 20 nuclear testing sites
http://www.dw.com/en/north-korea-blows-up-tunnels-at-nuclear-test-site/a-43911817
Timothy K. Wiebe
Troy Day your trump hatred blinds you
Varnel Watson
Nelson Banuchi Joseph Kidwell Pastor Timothy K. Wiebe stated above
Trump offered nothing and received a complete dismantling of nukes and destruction
I believe this is wrong. Trump just gave Kim’s regime a major approval and even played a propaganda promo video which was confused to come from Kim, but came straight from the White House
Bro Ira has often urged us for spiritual leadership in such political games of diplomacy and out playing each other.
The truth is:
From the start the whole nuke thing was fake news. Korean nuke site crashed long time ago and they were forced to bomb-seal the site. If they had real nukes China, Japan and S Korea would have given them no rest Instead they are just watching knowing its just a political charade and keep on taxing American imports arm and leg So what happened in reality is this
KIm offered nothing but a dead nuke program if there was ever a real one
Trump approved an evil regime by singing them praises
Whatever happened to NOT negotiating with terrorists ?
We the Church need to show much more spiritual Discernment in this situation and hear what the Spirit is saying to the Church on this one. Lest we too fall in the trap of
worldly politics
liberal populism
diplomatic tricks
and useless demagogy
Timothy K. Wiebe
You are so messed up on comprehension and basic understanding that it’s mind boggling. Enough
Nelson Banuchi
On what basis is it stated that the “nuke thing is fake news”? Thanks!
Btw, Trump and his supporters are bragging while putting on their armor like one who brags taking it off.
Varnel Watson
On basis that they blew up their own nuke program several months ago. It was on every major international news channel except on American TV – simply there is no nuke program there to be exploited
Nelson Banuchi North Korea blows up tunnels at nuclear test site Pyongyang has dismantled its nuclear testing site deep in the mountains of the country’s northeast.
http://www.dw.com/en/north-korea-blows-up-tunnels-at-nuclear-test-site/a-43911817
Excuse me Timothy K. Wiebe I am also tired of your liberal “Christianity” and fake conservatism but dont call you names or give you diagnoses Another diagnostic Joe Absher
Timothy K. Wiebe
Troy Day Have you considered giving President Trump credit for any of the hundreds of positive things he’s accomplished?
Timothy K. Wiebe
Troy Day Even the leftist, liberal, Trump hating news media has given trump immense credit for the changes NOW taking place in NK
Varnel Watson
What changes would that be Timothy K. Wiebe ? A generational long communistic dictatorship or what? When are you going to stop with your liberal Christianity and adhere to some real conservative Biblical values?
Timothy K. Wiebe
Troy Day nobody has any clue as to what you are talking about
Varnel Watson
THIS https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/972996/Trump-Kim-agreement-text-in-full-Donald-Trump-Kim-Jong-Un
Timothy K. Wiebe
Troy Day remember Otto Warmbier? Trump has VEHEMENTLY confronted Kim on his oppressive regime
Nelson Banuchi
Troy Day Unfortunately, there is no confirmation that the DPRK blew up any of their nuclear capability. Personally, I don’t think they did. And, if it was “fake news” that they had any nuclear capability in the first place, there wouldn’t be anything to blow up.
If you think that the DPRK would blow up their own nuclear silos or nuclear research facilities, respectfully, you’re being as naive as Trump.
Terry Wiles
Troy Day. You are probably a flat earth person too?
Varnel Watson
about as much as you are a flat foot Terry 🙂
Varnel Watson
Scotty Searan Joseph Kidwell The joint statement did not directly address North Korea’s missile development, chemical and biological weapons programs, or the human rights situation.
This leaves our Christian brothers and sisters with no alternative but to be persecuted for their faith in Christ. And our “Christian” president signed on it in approval. Congratulations!
Scotty Searan
Troy Day I respect your opinion, but I hope it is wrong.
Varnel Watson
Show us where https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/972996/Trump-Kim-agreement-text-in-full-Donald-Trump-Kim-Jong-Un
Scotty Searan
Baby steps is better than no steps
Varnel Watson
You are absolutely right except in this case we are tracking backwards
Scotty Searan
Troy Day explain
Varnel Watson
I believe I just did but here it is again: North Korea has several test facilities scattered across the country. Each site has a different role in the nation’s missile program, and some are more valuable than others. One possibility is that Trump was referring to a site that was dismantled earlier this month.
Scotty Searan
Troy Day sorry my phone didn’t show it all
Varnel Watson
It might be that Trump was simply mistaken. The president does occasionally get wires crossed with the minute details of things How much longer liberal Christians will try to full us with the reality of the situation ? Scotty
Scotty Searan
We all do, even this group
Varnel Watson
Time for all to wake up 6 o clock news flash
Varnel Watson
Scotty Searan For real non-liberal Christians like us
There’s no defending Trump’s North Korea performance
The president did not simply overlook the astonishing brutality of North Korea’s regime. He heaped praise on it.
THANK YOU Joseph Kidwell Nelson Banuchi Liberal Christian Republicans embrace the ‘cult’ of Trump, ignoring warning signs
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republicans-embrace-the-cult-of-trump-ignoring-warning-signs/2018/06/13/a69d9a72-6f37-11e8-bd50-b80389a4e569_story.html?utm_term=.05a0852dab9a&wpisrc=nl_az_most&wpmk=1
Varnel Watson
Scotty Searan For real non-liberal Christians like us
There’s no defending Trump’s North Korea performance
The president did not simply overlook the astonishing brutality of North Korea’s regime. He heaped praise on it.
THANK YOU Joseph Kidwell Nelson Banuchi Liberal Christian Republicans embrace the ‘cult’ of Trump, ignoring warning signs
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/republicans-embrace-the-cult-of-trump-ignoring-warning-signs/2018/06/13/a69d9a72-6f37-11e8-bd50-b80389a4e569_story.html?utm_term=.05a0852dab9a&wpisrc=nl_az_most&wpmk=1
Timothy K. Wiebe
What is wrong with you? Everything you post on topics like this is the exact opposite of what you post
Timothy K. Wiebe
You’re the liberal, who opposes conservative Christians
Timothy K. Wiebe
Verifiably so
Timothy K. Wiebe
The Washington post is one of the most liberal, conservative hating publications on the planet
Varnel Watson
Nelson Banuchi It is a well known fact globally. The site has become unstable and they blew up the concrete barriers on top of it to seal it from leaking radiation. I also listed above all their nuke sites + a map how they are located around the borders. With the one they blew up and sealed they were scared it would draw attention from China and others like when the Japanese nuke site blew up a few years ago. http://www.dw.com/en/north-korea-blows-up-tunnels-at-nuclear-test-site/a-43911817
The name of the site is Pyongyang – The last five of Pyongyang’s six nuclear tests have all been carried out under Mount Mantap at the Punggye-ri MAP http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/2143171/north-koreas-nuclear-test-site-has-collapsed-and-may-be-why-kim-jong-un
Here’s a map of all N Korean probably nuke test sites http://www.nti.org/gmap/nuclear_north_korea.html?/
Nelson Banuchi
Thanks!
Varnel Watson
Nelson what you are saying its entirely possible and like Scotty said baby steps are good BUT it is nowhere written in the signed statement (not agreement) For now its just a hearsay Liberal Christians would of course believe and worship just about anything in this cult without testing Terry
Varnel Watson
“It’s becoming a cultish thing, isn’t it?” Sen. Bob Corker of Tennessee told reporters Wednesday morning. “It’s not a good place for any party to end up with a cultlike situation as it relates to a president that happens to be of — purportedly — of the same party.”
Despite misgivings about Trump’s behavior, Republican voters have rewarded him with support unmatched by a Republican president since George W. Bush’s tenure in the months after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. And they have rained down punishment on those who disagree with Trump.
Nelson Banuchi
Well, not sure that is exactly courageous of Corker since he is leaving. Wonder what he would do if he were not.
In any case, I’d like to see those GOP guys speak ut against him who are risking their seats… but I won’t hold my breath.
Varnel Watson
Dont know about many in the Senate but Corker is a good man. Many liberals tried to destroy him through the years but he stood. Many liberal Christians refused to vote for him when things got tough. But all of us conservative Christian republicans have always stood behind him through the years and rightfully so. I am so surprised to see though Texas conservatives who know well and voted for the Bush family to now side with such liberal presidency that approves and praises terror and persecution for Christians around the globe: Haiti, Palestine and now North Korea. The spirit of the antiChrist is active I guess and deep spiritual discernment is a must for the church of the last days Ricky Grimsley Scotty
Joseph Kidwell
Nelson Banuchi, my thoughts exactly!
Varnel Watson
ol Corker aint the problem here now is he?
Joseph Kidwell
Troy Day, it’s just that he’s leaving. My understanding is that behind the scenes, most of the Republicans in Congress talk privately about the fact that Trump is nuts, but they are scared of being primaried like Sanford was on Tuesday.
Varnel Watson
Yes there others from the advisory board that are saying the same thing (in person and in private of course)
Nelson Banuchi
The funny thing is, thinking that morning how the whole Trump thing is turning onto a personality cult; then, lo’ and behold! I put on the news and hear Corker say the very same thing.
Varnel Watson
its very sad https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/13/politics/vp-pence-speaks-to-southern-baptists/index.html
Varnel Watson
Even baptists who aint got the Holy Ghost are now discerning the Spirit. On Tuesday morning, several messengers rose to object to Pence’s speech, saying that Southern Baptists’ annual meetings should not be politicized. https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/11/us/southern-baptist-convention-scandals/index.html
Varnel Watson
Thank you Daniel Kenis for passing on the information Joseph Kidwell Nelson Banuchi it is one thing for fake Christians to lose their identity within a political struggle Its another thing when the cult passes white supporters for African Americans to influence the anyway Russian vote. And on top of that cult supporters insist this is true prophetic Christianity. It just dont get more fake news than that #ENOUGH
Varnel Watson
Scotty Searan Every citizen, including Christians, have a right to choose who they want to serve as President. Many Christians voted for Nixon. A lot voted for JFK. Many also voted for Trump. They were not choosing him as Lord, but they hungered for someone who would work to protect religious liberties and strengthen the economy.
Was he the poster boy for morality? Actually, none of us are. According to Scripture, there is only one who is good and that is God. It seems that the other choices for President, Dems and Repubs, were not angels either.
Being a Christian does not necessarily mean one chooses wisely. If I remember correctly, King James of England who commissioned the interpreting of the Bible officially into English, was no saint either. Just sayin.
Timothy K. Wiebe
Amen
Varnel Watson
This said, since we voted for a public servant and not for an emperor WE The People need to keep checks and balances for everything done on our dime. It is the essential principle of the Republic. Especially promises that we just not keepable from the start. Several come to my mind right the way Joseph Kidwell Nelson Banuchi
Timothy K. Wiebe
Which is exactly the reason our current President was elected. The people were sick and tired of the corrupt government
Varnel Watson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5wjI8kS05I
Timothy K. Wiebe
Troy Day ?
Varnel Watson
For the eighth time in this chapter, the apostle Paul uses the word “perils” (the Greek word kindunos, meaning extremely dangerous). This time the danger he describes is connected with “false brethren.”
The Greek word for “false brethren” is pseudadelphos. https://renner.org/dealing-with-false-brethren/
Timothy K. Wiebe
Troy Day what about it?
Nelson Banuchi
Troy Day: “…WE The People need to keep checks and balances…Especially promises that we just not keepable from the start. Several come to my mind right the way.”
…like Mexico pay for the “wall”? ?
Scotty Searan
Troy Day I have never elected a politician because they were a Christian.
I have seen very few people that were politicians and were Christians and most of them are no longer politicians, because they would not lie to people or to the federal and state governments to get grants and services for their communities.
I have only voted for one Democratic President in my years of voting.. Jimmy Carter. He wasn’t a bad governor, but President, He didn’t make the grade..
Salvatore Tropea Sr
The article is hearsay! The peace and destruction passage most likely occurs during the Tribulation when antichrist has a phony peace plan for Israel that ends at Armageddon!
Varnel Watson
aye aye Nelson Banuchi The antichrist has a phony peace plan for Israel embassy that ends at Armageddon
Timothy K. Wiebe
I love the change I’m seeing in you
Varnel Watson
https://www.facebook.com/nelson.banuchi/posts/2000463473306549?hc_location=ufi
Varnel Watson
oh snap Timothy K. Wiebe China disapproved of the meeting They will not have mess up their backyard https://finance.yahoo.com/video/business-coffee-china-hits-back-174400041.html
Varnel Watson
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then… 1 Thess. 5:3 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1006839007492308992
Varnel Watson
Ricky Grimsley see how everyone got pretty quite all of a sudden ?
Varnel Watson
Hugh Lowrie Pres. Trump mulls over serious Afghanistan withdrawal plan Pres. Trump instructs SECDEF to begin pulling out of Afghanistan (payback against establishment hawks). This is a reiteration of last year’s prediction.
Russian support to Iran and North Korea continues – Blue Sky Option #4 (although, I still hold a high degree of skepticism regarding North Korea’s true intentions here).
Israel-Cyprus-Greece energy triangle-making strides, but staying under the radar
If Trump’s Middle East peace plan is revealed, expect a major economic downturn
If Trump’s Middle East peace plan is not revealed, expect continued economic growth, or at the least, economic status quo