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Peter Christian | PentecostalTheology.com
I am looking for three brave souls to come on a radio program with me to debate on the topic of Monergism vs Synergism.
One must be of a Monergistic belief and two of the Synergistic belief.
The show will be for tomorrow Saturday November 19 4PM EST.
Any takers dare to come on and defend their stance? 2 hours live show.
Varnel Watson
Ricky Grimsley Tony Conger Charles Page The few the brave the live @ 5
Tony Conger
Lol too bad I’m not a monergist. And I’m not smart enough
Ricky Grimsley
Well most of you believe that God created you already knowing exactly everything that would happen. You cant get any more monergistic than that?
Charles Page
Naturally that makes God a tyrant, right?
Peter Christian
Ricky and Charles Page come on the program and speak your mind
Ricky Grimsley
That would be more like the jerry springer show.
Peter Christian
yep just as i thought…. nothing to defend
Tony Conger
Why would we come on ands defend a position we don’t believe in
Tony Conger
This is a pentecostal forum. Not many calvinistic pentecostal around. I believe you want the forum 3 doors down
Varnel Watson
Can one be a Pentecostal Calvinist? Is that even a real thing or a theological oxymoron ? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/can-one-be-a-pentecostal-calvinist/
Ricky Grimsley
Apparently you can. We are all pentecostals and almost all of you believe in a settled future completely set in motion by God. Everything else is just labels.
Walter Polasik
To Peter Christian, I’d love to debate, taking the Synergistic position (if you have a Monergist). How will this be done? I believe I have mike set up on my comp etc. I’m always up for a good debate (which is why I love talking to cults as well).
Walter Polasik
To Troy Day: I’m sure one CAN be a Pentecostal Calvinist but the truth is that 1.) Pentecostalism has mostly held along Arminian lines, especially as regards to “the perseverance of the saints”. The reason is simple: Biblical fidelity, just as in the area of the Holy Spirit so in soteriology. Calvinism’s stance robs Scripture of half its’ worth. It only tells half the story of God’s view of things. This is the same case of extremes as in the Continuationist/ Cessationist debate that Pentecostals often have to engage in. Hyper-Charismatics talk about miracles as if they happened a dime-a-dozen everyday. Cessationists on the other hand usually wind up mothballing any miracles that have been attested to in modern times. The answer is neither extreme.
Ricky Grimsley
Walter Polasik there are plenty of “snake handlers” on here to talk to. Lol
Gary Sawyer
Can you be a Calvanist and a Pentecostal? The answer is “Yes” and “No” . It really goes back to a much broader question and that is “What is a Pentecostal?”. Because I am not aware of any such Denominational Doctrine that is shared by all Pentecostal Churches like Methodist and Baptist have. Donnie Swaggart who is one of the most widely watched Pentecostal Preachers in the United States regularly dwells on that subject matter. He even goes as far as to accuse many of his fellow Pentecostal churches of being in a state of Apostasy. Here is the problem, Some Pentecostal Churches do accept Calvanistic (Once in Grace/Always in Grace) theology. But this isn’t anything unusual; for Pentecostal churches to differ in their beliefs. That all goes back to the Pentecostal Denomination not having a Shared Unifying Doctrine. As a result you some Pentecostal Churches that will not perform communion and claim that it is a religious act and say that they are not about Religion, but other Pentecostal churches will perform communion and tell you that the Bible says to do it and since the Bible says to do it then they are going to do it. Some Pentecostal Churches do not Baptize because they say that they have the Baptism of the Holy Spirit, meanwhile other Pentecostal Churches will tell you that you absolutely need to have a water Baptism. Some Pentecostal churches preach Holiness and forbid Halloween and yet I have personally seen some Pentecostal churches actually have Halloween costume parties. I could go on and on listing things that are wildly different from one Pentecostal church to the next, but it all goes back to the Pentecostal Church not having a unifying doctrine that is shared among all churches that call themselves Pentecostal,
Varnel Watson
The answer is mainly “No” Here’s WHY http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/why-am-i-not-a-calvinist/
Gary Sawyer
I do not believe in the Calvanistic view of “Once in Grace/Always in Grace” Here is exactly what the King James Bible has to say on that subject matter
Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
but what the Bible says WILL not change the fact that some Pentecostal Churches will practice Calvanism. Again it all goes back to the Pentecostal Church not having a Denominational Doctrine to address issues like this.
Tony Conger
Calvinism teaches you don’t have a choice about grace. I know many arminians who believe once in have/always in grace
Gary Sawyer
I am a Pentecostal, I will admit that I have seen some strange and unBiblical things go on in some of the Pentecostal churches that I have visited with over the years. I once had a youth pastor at one of the local Pentecostal churches in my area get on FaceBook and openly criticize me publicly on social media for simply stating what the Bible says in Leviticus 19:28 and said that he wasn’t going to say if the Bible was right or if it was wrong because he had his own opinion. ….That is scary to me that we have Pentecostal preachers who lash out at people like me for standing on the word of God. I believe a called man of God is called to stand on God’s word, not stand against it…..
Tony Conger
Come on really? Tattoos? The verse before that says you won’t round your hair or beard….judging from you pic…..?
Varnel Watson
If you do not believe in the Calvanistic view of “Once in Grace/Always in Grace” you are … well you are not a Calvinist #OSAS
Ricky Grimsley
So which view has a more loving God? The God who created knowing everyone who would go to hell or the other version of God who created people knowing for sure they would go to hell
Walter Polasik
Ricky Grimsley: Ah but now you are asking a very different kind of question entirely. You are touching on the problem of hell and the issue of how that figures in God’s perfect universe of no pain and suffering. You are also asking how great a plan of salvation can it be that has perhaps one-third only of every human being ever made going to heaven with the rest spending a time-less existence continuously burning. But as I say, that’s a different bean of question entirely. (And one that I broached on this blog months ago).
BTW, the Bible DOES teach a literal, eternal hell, No question about it. But the above consideration is why many, many people have found themselves rejecting, if not the Bible and God outright, then certainly the doctrine itself. One might also consider why God would punish people eternally for sins that at worst are only temporal. Hmmmmm…….but again.
Walter Polasik
P.S.—it would make a little more sense if the numbers were reversed: i.e. if only 1/3 of humanity wound up in hell and the MAJORITY wound up in heaven. But alas, Jesus said, “Narrow is the way, and strait is the gate that leads to eternal life and FEW there be that find it.” Well….I didn’t come up with that. Pity. I suppose Beethoven, Liszt, Chopin, (I’m a pianist) etc. are all roasting now, their productive lives be damned. (These will also ultimately burn up). Can I really understand that? Heveans no!
Street Preacherz
I hope it’s not math