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To those of you who have been over the Christmas story a hundred or more times; have you given thought to this? Matthew and Luke both give a lot of attention to the linage and genealogy of Joseph and yet it was not Joseph’s seed that was in the blood line of the Christ Child. In schools of theology this has often been a point of discussion but most of us have decided not to bring it up in the local church because it has no easy answer. Do you have a thought on this?
Guest;
It is widely believed and accepted that the genealogy recorded in Luke is Marys lineage not Josephs.
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There is not an inheritance of some strand of sin DNA?
Guest;
Lineage of Jesus I have understood in Luke to be given from Mary’s side.
Luke 1 tells us that Mary’s cousin Elizabeth was of the daughters of Aaron verse 5 – showing the connection between the priesthood/tribe of Levi and David of the tribe of Judea, allowing Him to fulfill the office of priest and also sit upon the throne of David His Father.
We may add to that thought what was said of Joseph in Luke 2:4 they went up to Bethlehem because (he – Joseph) was of the house and lineage of David. Also mentioned in Luke 1:27.
Matthew chapter 1 tracks Jesus from Joseph (even though Joseph was not actually his father according to the flesh).
Matthew states that Jacob is Joseph’s father.
Luke said Heli is his father – which is actually believed to be Mary’s father instead.
A great line of thought on Jesus’ lineages and fulfilling prophecy. His qualifications as the Son of God, Son of David, and Son of Man outlined at his birth and before.
Guest;
Both Mary and Joseph are from the tribe of Judah. Num. 36:6 This [is] the thing which the LORD doth command concerning the daughters of Zelophehad, saying, Let them marry to whom they think best; only to the family of the tribe of their father shall they marry.
Num 18:2 And thy brethren also of the tribe of Levi, the tribe of thy father, bring thou with thee, that they may be joined unto thee, and minister unto thee: but thou and thy sons with thee [shall minister] before the tabernacle of witness.
Heb. 7:14 For [it is] evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
So, Mary of the tribe of Judah married Joseph of the tribe of Judah.
Guest;
The premise of the argument–that the New Testament says Elizabeth is Mary’s cousin–is wrong. The translation being quoted does not accurately reflect the Greek.
The New Testament does not say that Elizabeth is Mary’s cousin, the Greek word for which is anepsios. The word used in Luke 1:36 to describe Elizabeth is suggenes (pronounced su-gen-ace), which simply means kinswoman or relative. It tells us nothing about her exact relation within the extended family. All we can tell from the word suggenes is that Elizabeth was some kind of female relative of Mary’s. But whether she was an aunt, a cousin, or a more distant relation cannot be determined from the word.
Guest;
So you just admitted to a kins-women a “relative”.
Regardless of how, them being related still supports my original reply (as well as my second).
As far as your second and third scripture reference
Numbers 18:2 – you can’t deny the priesthood of Jesus as He stood before God. As referenced in Heb 7:14 by you His priesthood is affirmed even though He was from a differing tribe.
Jesus was The Father’s priest.
He was from the tribe of Judah, which I never changed or denied.
There was not a mention of a priest coming out of Judah, yet Jesus was not just related to and associated with Judah was He?
You admitted in your next to last statement that Elizabeth was some kind of female relative of Mary.
So as relates to my comments the desired intention of your reply is what exactly?
Matthew shows Joseph’s lineage.
Luke shows Mary’s. Luke even includes Elisabeth, Mary’s kins women – relative in order to cement this.
Here’s a question.
As for Mary and Elizabeth being relatives; unless you run your train of thought back to Jacob, Isaac, Abraham then you have a cross over of the tribal lines somewhere.
Here is an issue with numbers 36:6 as you referenced,
It is the very next verse where they were allowed to marry outside of their tribe but the effect is losing their inheritance
Numbers 36:3
“And if they be married to any of the sons of the other tribes of the children of Israel, then shall their inheritance be taken from the inheritance of our fathers, and shall be put to the inheritance of the tribe whereunto they are received: so shall it be taken from the lot of our inheritance.”
The *marrying only with their tribe* was not for each tribe, but was simply for the daughters of Zelophehad so his name would not vanish from among the children of Israel.
(Remember what Samson’s parents told him, Judges 14:3
Then his father and his mother said unto him, Is there never a woman among the daughters of thy brethren, or among all my people, that thou goest to take a wife of the uncircumcised Philistines? And Samson said unto his father, Get her for me; for she pleaseth me well.”.
Yes Joseph was of the tribe of Judah. He married Mary of the tribe of Judah, relative of a close enough relation to Elizabeth of the daughters of Aaron for it to be mentioned.
Guest;
The word is not really a kinsmen as you can imagine it. Boaz was the faithful kinsmen obviously not so close relative, but regardless I’ve heard the interpretation that Mary was both Judah and Levi and not too sure if that’s quite possible in the Jewish tradition Tom Steele Alan N Carla Smith
Guest;
Your words Troy Day.
Since you wanted to micro-dissect my words.
I simply used the words you chose.
If they are the incorrect words you will have to talk to and correct yourself.
Now as far as Mary being both from Judah and Levi,
That is not what was said (by me).
Elizabeth was the one listed as a daughter of the sons of Aaron, not Mary.
Biology 101;
The cousins that are on the father’s side are not the same cousins on the mother’s side (unless the family is incestuous).
It appears Elizabeth had parents (Judah and Levi)
While Mary was (Judah and ?).
Guest;
Yawn #adhominem Bottom line: Mary was from the tribe of Judah
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Lol
I have taught a couple of you to yawn.
That is a start.
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My son preached a message a few days ago using Joseph side. It was a great message. I would have thought of bringing things out , like he did. It turned out to be a good message.
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What did Joseph suspect Mary of? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/what-did-joseph-suspect-mary-of-in-matthew-118-19/
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exactly what James Hail and Steve Losee were just asking Jim Price