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Word has spread widely about a prophecy that William Seymour allegedly gave regarding such a revival, but in all of my research, I have never come across such a prophecy. I first heard of it form Cornelis van der Laan years ago. It was floating around in his church at the time. Since then, I have found it repeated in a variety of places, but not one of them provides any evidence. They seem to copy one another, passing along their hope. In reading through these various writers, I have found them to be related to “Latter Rain” groups or fringe “prophets.” If people come to Christ through the office and display that Sean has put together on Azusa Street, then I suppose it is worth the millions of dollars apparently at his disposal. Otherwise, I fear that it might be an extravagant wish with no real payoff.
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William DeArteaga Neil Steven Lawrence Nelson Banuchi Link Hudson Terry Wiles Peter Vandever Joseph D. Absher I trust the Lord to grant a revival when it is most needed! However, I think that we Pentecostals who see revival as the normative position for the Church are wrong. Revival comes when the Church needs it, and a revival like that of Azusa Street can kick those who are disposed to following Christ, to a new level of commitment. Once they have reached it, the need for revival is gone. Besides, the energy level that it takes to run a revival for even three years is exhausting! People get tired.
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This is what works Joseph D. Absher Robert Dickinson Robert Davis Robert Cox Jesse Morrell https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/tips-for-street-preaching-personal-witnessing/
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Ilya Okhotnikov apart from this old video I really did not find much on the subject obviously disregarding the Tommy Welchel telling it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdD2RfcJXp0
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Troy Day I would not reference anything from Sid Roth.
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Bishop Bernie L Wade Ricky Grimsley Peter Vandever https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AGde14OSkL0
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I have heard the idea that restoring praise restores the tabernacle of David in Indonesia. Was thatba latter rain teaching. I never heard it in GBI but maybe the Pak Niko teaches it now. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cmm8u25VrhQ
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hey Link Hudson remember when Jim Price stated that HE read Dr. Niko’s message and certainly it was very moving, more so to listen to than to read as is most messages when you or in a great convention. Most of us who grew up in a pentecostal environment have heard such rousing sermons. There was a lot of rhetorical content but I think it was meant to persuade and motivate in a positive way. However any good bible student could find points of disagreement. His comments about the third pentecost was somewhat different than I have ever heard. ” The first pentecost was when God came to His people. The second pentecost was when He came upon His people, and the third pentecost will be when He comes into His people. ” The words TO and UPON and INTO and the timing of that could certainly be argued. But it looked like several thousand were in the giant convention hall in Indonesia that alone is something to shout about. Some might complain about all the money spent on airline tickets,hotel rooms and meals but Amway representatives fill up that same hall and spend millions to push their products; so why not those that go in the name of Jesus?
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Troy Day that sort of thing might have to be judged like a prophecy. It is confusing when such is just delivered as a seemin and you can’t tell what is the speaker’s theological explanation.
I don’t know if I’ve heard a prophecy given in GBI, but back when Pak Niko was the leader of the Jakarta Bethany leaders before the split, in a worker’s meeting for a Bethany English service, one woman gave one in Indonesian but I didn’t know the language enough to understand. I think it was first person style prophesy. I remember a friend not agreeing with it and expressing concern at people receiving it with Amen. She thought it was judgemental, and I don’t know if the issue was her theoligical grid. I have heard of prophecies from smaller GBI churches outside of Jakarta.
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Azusa street was a false spiritual event; deception.
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Duane L Burgess what is @everyone thinking on this one?
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Troy Day he needs to be removed from the group….he’s against the Pentecostal faith….always talking down on us
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At Pentecost they were accused of being drunk. But They were all filled with the Holy Spirit.
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Duane L Burgess no matter what you said just stick to the scriptures, but make sure nothing plasphiem.
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Stevenson Mark well how do you apply Scripture here? You got to show some logic and wisdom from time to time
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Christopher Wiles the question was about the post not about our old friend Duane L Burgess maybe if you are spiritual enough the Spirit will jump from you on him? 🙂
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David Levandusky question is about the 100yr prophecy ppl promoted but Peter Vandever said it was fake AND William DeArteaga may have wrote about it in the book J.D. King published @ one time or another
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Troy Day plasphiem against the Holy Spirit is nothing to do at all.
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Troy Day I got some spirit for him alright
…I pray the holy ghost hit him so hard he can’t talk for 3 days but nothing but tongues will come from his mouth
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Stevenson Mark are you still talking about the OP or is this some random rant before your morning coffee ?
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Troy Day 🙄😣
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Christopher Wiles maybe you better pray then instead of slander so early in the morning NOW what is your take on the actual OP
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DrCarmen Aiken-Isaac yes pls DO enlighten us good Dr
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Troy Day He’s ignorant and derives pleasure from trolling. I’d remove him.
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Jack Marsh my question was bout OP brother 🙂
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Troy Day John MacArthur would say the same thing. Nothing new … & this person may not even be a cessationist. I don’t know. I rarely participate here. There was one guy a couple of yrs ago who let it be known that he didn’t believe that Jesus was the God-Man, so, there’s no tellin’ what kind of beliefs are flying around in this group. But you go get ‘em, Troy. …👍🏾
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DrCarmen Aiken-Isaac who cares about ol crazy John MacArthur here? tell us your thinking on the OP
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Duane L Burgess Then why are you in a Pentecostal group who treasure what happened ar Azusa Street as revival from Heaven?
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Mike Crain back to the OP maybe?
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Troy Day I just don’t get why he would want to be here if he doesn’t hold to traditional Pentecostal beliefs
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Mike Crain my question was bout the actual OP here
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Duane L Burgess
Prove it.
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Junior Beasley are you 2 NOT talking about the OP?
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Troy Day I’ll have to check out the video and see.
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Mike Crain oh sorry – was thinking you know well Azusa related prophecy and other documented Pentecostal matters
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Troy Day
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yes Joellen?
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Troy Day mistake,I’m sorry
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Joellen Akers no prob What is your take on this OP?
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Troy Day
I don’t know what ur talking about
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Junior Beasley you dont see the OP? what are you talking about here then? There is a specific OP posted – stay withing the current discussion and keep focused
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Duane L Burgess
Media: https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia3.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2Fv1.Y2lkPTk5OWFjZWFjYzZzcmE4a2p5ZWVhdW84b3F1ODRlNHNlc2x6ZGZneW1pOGlsZWRhcSZlcD12MV9naWZzX3NlYXJjaCZjdD1n%2Fi7PM4udF7hrjzmojpd%2Fgiphy.gif&h=AT1UClznMTZR1osG_MFODRNv5C78ziiShOzTvisUa1yAnEHOtPQDrWHE4AoH0YVfg3h-twcfe0mTjQiuJcIl49NH_UoxS-k5q3uPhmgY1Cgw9FBWxdszCLvHDQZppKlU&s=1
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Troy Day receive the Holly Ghost 🙏
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Mark Aponte anything on the actual OP
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Troy Day Duane L Burgess Is a liar and doesn’t even know what he is talking about.
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Duane L Burgess amen
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Troy Day with respect, as a former Pentecostal I simply don’t believe Azusa street was a legitimate revival.
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Sinadou Marcellin with respect, I simply don’t think Azusa street was Holy Ghost led. I’m willing to be corrected.
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Duane L Burgess I can see why the narrative would say that, but we know better
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Duane L Burgess
On what do you base this?
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Barrie Bloxsom Careful study of Scripture. II Tim. 2:15. Pentecostalism has always been an aberration in the Church. Theological problems.
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Mark Aponte what proof do you have?
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Troy Day
I thank he need to pray and ask God to open his under standing, because he is blind to the truth and the word of God
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Duane L Burgess hard statement to back up. It happened in our generation with eyewitness who were interviewed. The structure which was only wood is long gone. Unfortunate for Spiritual Tourism, could you imagine what could have happened if a denomination say Foursquare or Trinity Broadcasting purchased it.built a chapel much with a museum having pictures of the events with present day intercessions and prophets working there?
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many of yall here are not nice to ol Duane and are way OFF topic too
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Where’s the part about Pentecostalism?
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Duane L Burgess Were you THERE?
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Christopher Wiles, he must be Baptist and if so, talking about false, most of them believe that the only true Bible is the KJV, but most of them call it the King James Bible (that’s false) and adhere to their church comes from John the Baptist
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Dwayne Faircloth oh I know about the Baptist beliefs
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Christopher Wiles there are many things they are strong and deep in scripture but miss many.
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Dwayne Faircloth are you baptist too or cog?
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Troy Day blasphemy
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DrCarmen Aiken-Isaac didn’t believe that Jesus was the God-Man?
This must have been Philip Williams or some other pope-lover
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Brownsville if he was off by 15 years.
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Junior Beasley Brownsville was a sham like I told Peter Vandever what about the actual AZUSA prophecy ?
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Troy Day we’ll thatvyiur opinion I was there it was a mighty out pouring that hit every church around there.
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Troy Day people who got saved at Brownsville might disagree.
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Link Hudson let them speak on their behalf then
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Melvin Harter Junior Beasley Bishop Bernie L Wade Peter Vandever
There are no contemporary witnesses to this “prophecy.” Zero. It is fictional as are many Azusa stories. If it was a prophesy given by Seymour (and it was not) it would most certainly be a false prophesy. Seymour died more than 100 years ago and the window for such a prophesy to be fulfilled has closed.
It seems he means well, but the Azusa Mission could not hold hundreds of people. Lots of smoke and mirrors in this report (literally and figuratively) While nearly all of those who recognize the manifestation of the Holy Spirit in a Pentecostal or Apostolic imprimatur have commonality with the Topeka Outpouring, there are many who have no connection to Los Angeles. Those connected to the Los Angeles Outpouring came from some 8 different churches – not just the Azusa Street Mission. The Apostolic Faith Movement was already global before 1906. Likely, the largest outpouring of the day was in Zion, Illinois. Norris repeatedly mentions the Shekhinah. Does he understand that is a Kaballistic term describe the “feminine nature of God” or “the Divine Feminine”? Lots of things sound cool, but we must be careful. That is the view from my porch.
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This is all I could find about Seymour’s prophecy. It is NOT well documented @ all. There’s lots of speculation 1909, 1910, 1913, 1922 around his death and so on… Apart from that ppl seem NOT to know that Azusa was over and gone by 1909. Some cite the prophecy from his travelling notes, which you have studied extensively for your book series on Azusa…
It all comes down to Tommy’s book with a single quote from a testimony by one David Garcia who was a boy during Azusa, but recalls being told the words of the prophecy. I will try to attach Tommy’s whole book, but here is the only quote of interest:
“p38 Brother Garcia was the first to tell me of Seymour‘s prophesy that in about 100 years there would be a return of the Shekinah Glory and a revival that would surpass the Works of God at Azusa.*
It was forty years ago that we spoke, and Brother Garcia told of the 100 year prophesy by Brother Seymour concerning the fresh outpouring of God‘s Spirit.
As this book is being written, people all over the world are celebrating the Azusa Centennial. I pray the prayer of my dear friend and brother, David Garcia, that soon we will see Brother Seymour‘s prophesy fulfilled and the greatest visitation of God ever known to man fall fresh on this world.
*Charles Parham also prophesied that another great revival would happen in about 100 years.
Seymour, who made the prophesy around 1909 or 1910 may have made this prophesy after Parham.”
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Troy Day is Dr Larry Martin part of this group, he could possibly cast more light on the subject. We none were there but the effect is undeniable. I was there at the 100th anniversary along thousands of others. I would want to know the actual wording of the prophecy.
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Azusa had good and bad! It really did!
You can’t do camera trick in 1901 like you could in even 1991 technologies!
I’ve seen raw footage about 10yrs ago of Azusa meeting where a woman’s leg appeared to grow 3 inches! There was no AI, or IGI etc, per-se! There was no big screens, and pi k lights, with a punky youth pastor hyping the crowd!
It’s not Azusa you should worry about, it’s the stuff that yet another almost 100yrs more! This weird spooky spiritual “Dance in the River of wine, Feel God’s heartbeat in your ear, Call down fire: hoopla! The drunken and drugged references to God and Holy Spirit!
Azusa might have scared the 1848 Wesleyans…..but this 100yr yet more New-Age, Mysticism coated in Pentecistal stule meryingvwirzhip….makes even half Bible based fear of God Pentecostals of all generations if truly in the word; cringe!
And that’s what we should be warning about, not Azusa, to be honest!
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Jàyson Jàyson Jàyson OK spill it out what was the bad?
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In what? The Azusa or this newer ladt 3 decades crap?
The Azusa well, okay maybe it wasn’t any bad back then that you can see per-se like now, but any true move of God always had Medium to major hindrances that maybe the average person couldnt even detect! Like someone mocking, or deliberate fake tongues along with the real!
There wasn’t near as much crap there as there is in this new century!
Maybe it wasn’t even Azusa then I’m thinking of….But Im sure itvwas there, or something shortly shortly after in the same tome frame related to Azusa with a lady Aimee MacPherson that a couple things was a no no!
I’m not going into everything, because I’d have to find it! It may be no longer available on YouTube!
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BOTTOM LINE Jàyson Jàyson Jàyson Peter Vandever not even Philip Williams or Link Hudson has produced a single shred of evidence that any such prophecy ever took place @ Azusa
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Troy Day have I claimed to have any?
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I dont know Link Hudson have you?
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There is a lot of sensationalism connected to the Apostolic Faith Gospel Mission (modern apologists have renamed it Azusa Street). It was evident to Bishop William Seymour knew this first hand. We have the letter he wrote to his spiritual father, Charles F. Parham asking for help against these workers of darkness. They were so powerful they put Charles Parham out of their building (but he remained in Los Angeles area preaching). So it is possible that such a thing was offered there, but the prophecy is bogus regardless of the source.
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Bishop Bernie L Wade but there is NO 100 year prophecy, right ?
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https://www.amazon.com/Legacy-Charles-Sarah-Eleanor-Parham/dp/195225325X
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so where is all this sensationalism connected 100 yr fake prophecy comes from?
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What is the purpose of looking back at Azusa to judge? Many great people and things came out of Azusa Street. Who here can judge what God used to win many souls?
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Judith Smith thats the point
we are looing back at Azusa to preserve our heritage
but we do look at fake prophecy to sort them out William DeArteaga
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Troy Day Generally it is good to ignore those who hide behind fake profiles. Especially if they are atempting to protect fake prophecy. Very suspect! Smile.
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Judith Smith like Bishop Bernie L Wade just said !!! Alan Smith 🙂
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Troy Daynothing in the past can be changed. There’s enough fake prophesy to deal with today.
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Bishop Bernie L Wadeinstead if answering the question, you have to dig into someone’s profile? Profiles are not the topic of the discussion, is it? The one who concerns themself with a profile rather than the topic is fake.