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Pastor Shane Brown teaches about the power in praying in other tongues.
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Anonymous
Biblical tongues was a sign to unbelieving Israel, warning of judgment that came in AD70. The purpose of tongues was completed.
No one has spoken in biblical tongues since the first century.
Do not be deceived.
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Duane L Burgess there is absolutely NO Bible to prove THAT
Biblical tongues was a sign to unbelieving Israel, warning of judgment that came in AD70
I challenge ANYONE to prove this false teaching with the BIBLE Neil Steven Lawrence Link Hudson Michael Chauncey Peter Vandever Philip Williams
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Duane L Burgess I sispect you hold to a rather convoluted eisegetical interpretation of I Corinthians 14:21-22 that prioritizes systematic theology over eisegesis. Is there any way the original readers or hearers of this passage would have come to these conclusions?
Anonymous
Duane L Burgess what did those tongues mean when spoken to the Gentiles in the church of Corinth?
Anonymous
Duane L Burgess wrong!!! “…And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off —for all whom the Lord our God will call.” Acts 2:38-39
The scripture demands that all generations have access to the same gift of the Holy Spirit, and all the attending blessings and prayer language and intimacy, including tongues for all generations! !!!
There is no other way to interpret this imperative. 
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Philip Williams Corinthians 14 in no way supports the gibberish you guys utter and call it speaking in tongues. The gift of tongues was given to the disciples to preach the gospel. Acts 2 records at least 16 different peoples who spoke different languages, and they confessed that they heard the good news in their own language.
The languages gifted to the disciples were not given for them to pray to God, for they could do that in their own language. It was neither given for their person use. The purpose was to preach the gospel.
In total contradiction to the madness in Pentecostalism today, the gift given to the disciples were languages spoken on earth; they could preach with it, have conversations with people who spoke these languages, and did not need to be interpreted. Today, those of you who claim to have the gift can’t repeat what you said when you were excited at your service. You cannot have conversations with anyone who say they too have the gift. You cannot remember what you said, and neither can anyone understands you. What you guys call the gift of tongues is nothing more than gibberish made up as you excite your spirits
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Christopher Lockhart No, Paul refers here to the need for the interpretation of tongues in a setting in which everyone spoke the Greek tongue, thus having no such benefit for preaching the gospel. In his reference to Isaiah 28, he refers to the matter of God using a foreign tongue (Assyrian) they cannot understand due to not listening to God in their own tongue. They could understand the new Assyrian rulers only through an interpreter.
Granted that there is plenty of gibberish and manufactured tongues today, but the fake doesn’t disprove the authentic tongues which supernaturally flow from the mouth of the tongue speaker who hears them in the same passive way as everyone else. This gift of tongues are in fact real languages as i know from personal experience. They carry divine authority which cause the listeners to cease what they are doing and wait for an interpretation which will be a word from God.
Ironically, you are yourself claiming supernatural knowledge to know what all who speak in tongues are saying. Are you claiming here the gift of having supernatural knowledge or else speaking infallible prophecy?
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Philip Williams if interpretation is necessary then the gift is not present, because in Acts 2 no interpretation was needed.
Secondly, Paul referenced Isaiah 28 as a warning to the church; that the last time a strange language was present among the people of God, a language they could not understand, it was because it was the language of the enemy of Israel and God.
God had spoken to them in their own language through the prophets but they refused to listen.They continued in their disobedience to His law and in open rebellion against His authority. God sent their enemy amongst them, who, according to Jeremiah, their mouths were like open sepulchers.
This is the same situation in many churches that claim to speak in tongues. They refuse to obey God’s law thus the enemy in among them, causing them to speak strange languages and fooling them into thinking it is the Holy Spirit.
Anonymous
Christopher Lockhart the Bible never says tongues were given to preach the gospel but it does mention praying in tongues. In Acts 2, tge brethren spoke in tongues about the winderful works of God. But it does not say that they spoke about Jesus Christ being crucified and raised from the dead. Peter the gospel apparently in a language they had in common, and after that people were cut to the heart.
There is absolutely nothing in the Bible about having conversations with other people through the gift of tongues.
Occasionally someone here speaking in tongues and understands what is said in their own language. There were numerous testimonies of this sort of thing happening around the Azusa Street Revival and numerous examples of it since. But the typical scenario is like that described in 1 Corinthians 14 where someone speaks in tongues and no one understands and so it has to be interpreted by the people to be edified in the church.
Anonymous
Christopher Lockhart You are now referencing Isaiah 28 as if you knew this before I mentioned it! But, oh my! Did you not know that God(!) sent the Assyrians to speak to his people in a tongue they could not understand?
Paul specifically refers to these unknown tongues as gifts, says he speaks in these tongues more than all of them, and commands them not to forbid these tongues!
Anonymous
Philip Williams God did not gift Israel with the strange language if their own enemies, this is a fallacy of enormous proportion. Jeremiah himself made reference to this incident and said
“For the house of Israel and the house of Judah have dealt very treacherously against me, saith the LORD. They have belied the LORD, and said, It is not he; neither shall evil come upon us; neither shall we see sword nor famine: And the prophets shall become wind, and the word is not in them: thus shall it be done unto them. Wherefore thus saith the LORD God of hosts, Because ye speak this word, behold, I will make my words in thy mouth fire, and this people wood, and it shall devour them. Lo, I will bring a nation upon you from far, O house of Israel, saith the LORD: it is a mighty nation, it is an ancient nation, a nation whose language thou knowest not, neither understandest what they say. Their quiver is as an open sepulchre, they are all mighty men. And they shall eat up thine harvest, and thy bread, which thy sons and thy daughters should eat: they shall eat up thy flocks and thine herds: they shall eat up thy vines and thy fig trees: they shall impoverish thy fenced cities, wherein thou trustedst, with the sword”. Jer 5:11-18.
This was not a gift. The fact that Paul referenced this incident was to warn the people about strange languages among them.
Anonymous
Christopher Lockhart your argument is with the Apostle Paul who references Isaiah’s mention of the unknown Assyrian tongues. The unknown tongue that God used in Isaiah’s time was the Assyrian. In Jeremiah’s time, it was the Babylonians.
“People of Israel,” declares the Lord, “I am bringing a distant nation against you— an ancient and enduring nation, a people whose language you do not know, whose speech you do not understand.” Jeremiah 5:15
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Philip Williams God caused an unknown language to come into the camp of His people because of their rebellion. Today there is still unknown language in churches, and the only reason, is that these churches are rebellious and disobedient to the law of God.
Am sure if I asked many of those who regurgitate gibberish in their services and call it the gift of tongues, whether they observe and obey the law of God, that will confirm that they don’t.
Anonymous
Christopher Lockhart perhaps some of these churches have the same problems as you: proud, arrogant, self righteousness, know-it-all, accusatory, and slanderous. Fruits of the flesh, but hardly fruits of the Spirit.
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Philip Williams yes, the truth does hurt, so I understand your predicament
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Link Hudson I too suspect you hold to a rather convoluted eisegetical interpretation of I Corinthians 14:21-22 that prioritizes systematic theology over eisegesis.
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Neil Steven Lawrence in the greek the gift is singular and it defines what that gift is – It is the singular gift of the Holy Spirit. It is the Spirit Himself and nowhere does it say the gifts from the Holy Spirit. Concerning the interpretation – only the repent and be baptized is in the imperative and it means right now do this. Once you do and if you do this then you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. That verb (you shall receive) is future predictive meaning 100% certainty of happening. Of course, Acts 1:8 tells us what the Spirit will compel us to do when He has come upon someone. Sadly I see few in the church actually going out and sharing the gospel. BTW I believe in all the gifts of the Holy Spirit, but you can’t get that from a proper exegesis of Acts 2:38-39 but only from an eisegesis from your presuppositional doctrinal and traditional beliefs. You are right that the scripture does guarantee that each individual when they repent and are baptize will receive the singular gift of the Spirit Himself, but the Spirit gives the Gifts as He wills. Notice the He is capitalized many the Spirit and not the person 1 Cor 12:11– But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills. It is an individual thing. I further believe that Duane L Burgess is biblically wrong and he can’t prove what he says. He is also going by his doctrinal and traditional presuppositional bias. I do wish that He comes to the knowledge of the truth and that he would be open to the work of the zLord.
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Troy Day should have been ‘over exegesis.’ I fixed it.
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Link Hudson understood
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Christopher Lockhart That’s a dumb argument– that there are real tongues in churches that are disobedient… and that the tongues are therefore gibberish.
Your stringing words together on a page, but your interpretation makes no sense.
Anonymous
Link Hudson there are no real gifts of tongues in churches where everyone speaks the same language. What churches call speaking in tongues is simply excited gibberish.
God will not give the gift of tongues if everyone around already speak the same language; God is not a confused Pentecostal.
Anonymous
Christopher Lockhart are you NOT Pentecostal yourself ?
Anonymous
Christopher Lockhart Who says everyone speaks the same language when they speak in tongues.
Your just making up rules about how speaking in tongues works out of your own mind, not in line with the scriptures. Read I Corinthians 14. God never said he would not give speaking in tongues in a monolingual church meeting.
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Link Hudson my brother, if everyone in your church and in your community speak the same language, then no one will need or receive the gift of language. This gift was only given in Acts 2 because there were multiple languages present on that day, and God wanted His disciples to preach to everyone present, thus they all received the gift to preach in other languages as the Spirit gave them utterances.
But what we see in many churches is a manifestation of strange gibberish falsely called the gift of languages or tongues. In these services everyone belches out syllables made up in their minds that neither they nor anyone could understand.
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Christopher Lockhart Your eisegeting your own ideas. There are two passages that tell about this. In Acts 2, the disciples spoke in tongues and others heard their own languages spoken and commented on it. Then there is I Corinthians 14 where when someone speaks in tongues “no one understandeth him”. This contradicts your assertion. Speaking in tongues has to be interpreted–and there is a gift of the Spirit for interpretation mentioned in I Corinthians 14.
There is no reference to ‘preaching’ in tongues in Acts 2. It says they spoke of the wonderful works of God. They could have been saying the sort of things written in the Psalms. It does not say if or whether they were proclaiming Christ crucified or resurrected. After the speaking in tongues, Peter stood up and preached.
There are churches where many in the crowd speak in tongues all at the same time. There are also meetings where one person speaks in tongues, and another interprets. Sometimes two people get the same interpretation for the tongue, but one of them speaks before the other one speaks up.
Anonymous
Link Hudson what happens in these churches is a bunch of people clamoring to prove they have the gift when the gift is not necessary. This results in madness and demonic manifestations of strange utterances because they refuse to listen to the Bible
Anonymous
Christopher Lockhart There are genuine manifestations of spiritual gifts. The Bible teaches that they are given as the Spirit wills. I suspect not believing the scriptures on this issue is part of the reason behind your doctrinal stance.
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Link Hudson yes there are genuine manifestation of all the gifts of the Spirit. I am not one who believes that the gifts have ceased, but I do believe in the truth about them.
One of my friends was invited to preach in country of Suriname, in a village where they spoke a dialect called takitaki. He did not speak this language so a translator was provided for the 4-week evangelistic campaign. On the opening night the translator could not speak because he became sick and lost his voice. Everyone was afraid for the campaign and did not know what to do.
My friend told them not to worry. He went to God and asked for the gift of language to preach in the language of the people. Hundreds of people were waiting to hear the gospel.
After he prayed he took the mic and approached the pulpit. And he opened his mouth and a miracle happened. He began to preach that night in takitaki, the language of the people. For 4 weeks he preached, talked, fellowshiped, and even had fun times with the people communicating with them in their language.
When he returned to our country, he taught us how to sing some songs from our hymnals in takitaki.
This is the true gift of tongues, and this is what we believe it was meant for.
What we see in many churches do not come close to my friend’s experience. These churches are deceived into believing that a strange gibberish is the true gift
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Christopher Lockhart Mark Rutland is a Pentecostal preacher. He has a testimony that he didn’t know Spanish, but received a gift to be able to speak in Spanish one night and has retained some Spanish since. God can do all kinds of things and gift in different ways.
But often speaking in tongues functions the way described in I Corinthians 14. If it functions like I Corinthians 14 describes, but not Acts 2, that does not mean that it is false.
Anonymous
Link Hudson my brother, the Bible remains the blueprint. 1 Corinthien cannot and does not present a different manifestation of the gifts of languages. Paul was counseling and warning the church, not teaching about the gift of languages.
Anonymous
Christopher Lockhart are you NOT Pentecostal yourself ?
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Christopher Lockhart Paul was advising the church but there is no way to get away from the fact that Paul was also teaching about spiritual gifts.
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Christopher Lockhart What do you get when you refuse to listen to the Bible?
Anonymous
Link Hudson you should ask yourself that question. Let me ask you; do you speak in tongues, do you have the gift of tongues?
Anonymous
I pray in tongues. The issue here in our discussion is that the Bible does not back up your assertions about speaking in tongues. I can back up what I say with scripture.
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Link Hudson you do? does Christopher Lockhart pray in tongues?
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Troy Day , Link Hudson, I neither pray nor speak in tongues for a number of reasons.
1. What is called praying in tongues and speaking in tongues in churches today are carnal manifestations of a strange spirit unsupported by Biblical teachings on the subject.
2. The Biblical gift of tongues, or language is not for praying but for preaching.
3. Since the Bible tells us (a) that God answers our prayers before we call Him, and (b) we do not know how to pray, and that it is the Spirit that helps us; there is absolutely no need for me to change my language to talk to God in prayer.
4. God does not need me or anyone for that matter, to talk to Him in other languages to hear us. He knows our hearts.
5. For those who say they pray in tongues so that Satan will not understand them, well, not even they understand themselves anyways.
Anonymous
Link Hudson, you claim to pray in tongues, here are my questions to you;
1. In what language do you pray in tongues?
2. Do you understand when you pray in tongues?
3. Are praying in tongues and speaking in tongues both signs of the gift of tongues?
4. After praying on tongues, are you able to repeat what you said to God?
5. When others pray or speak in tongues do you understand them, since you all have the gift?
I would greatly appreciate it if you would respond in point form as you have been questioned. This would permit a more organized discourse. Thank you.
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Christopher Lockhart The Bible speaks of praying in tongues, but preaching in tongues.
I Corinthians 14
14 For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
The Bible does say the brethren in Acts 2 spoke of the wonderful works of God. It doesn’t say they preached what would become known as the kergyma.
Does God ___need___ for you to speak to Him in English? Do we pray because God needs it?
Point 5, name one poster who said that. This isn’t a WOF forum.
Anonymous
Christopher Lockhart while Link Hudson maybe in part charismatic it appears that neither of yall is really Pentecostal. This being the sense what is your purpose and goal in this very Pentecostal Theology group?
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Troy Day what is important here is not the church we belong to but Bible truth. The church does not determine the truth, the Bible does. So whether I am a Pentecostal, Baptist, or SDA, this is not important. And regarding the subject of the gift of tongues, what I see and hear in many evangelical, Pentecostal, baptist, and charismatic communities, is blatant hysteria and gibberish masquerading as the gift of the Holy Spirit, and I always denounce it whenever it is promoted.
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Christopher Lockhart if you are NOT Pentecostal what are you doing here? Is it your goal in life to stir Link Hudson all day long? #soSad
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Troy Day the name of this group is Pentecostal Theology, and by virtue of this, it is open to for any challenge. If you cannot deal with challenges to your Pentecostal Theology then you should probably not be one.
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Christopher Lockhart what the group is about is stated clearly and is not for your to decide BUT you are again not answering my question Why?
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John Mushenhouse Neil Steven Lawrence funny Christopher Lockhart is not responding to your pentecostal arguments but is bugging Link Hudson who has stated to be more charismatic than pentecostal per se
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Troy Day my goal here is to understand your Pentecostal theology and challenge it. If you are going to expose your theology, and you believe it to be truth, then if it is, it must stand up to scrutiny.
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Christopher Lockhart OK you have challenged some who are not really Pentecostal. On your other goal – what have you understood about your Pentecostal theology from being in our group? John has explained
Anonymous
Tongues ceased in the first century. Prayer tongues is nowhere taught in Scripture.
Anonymous
Gerardo de Dominicis NAR speak in tongues – are they real Pentecostals ?
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Troy Day Speaking in tongues doesn’t mean it’s from the Holy Spirit. Could be psychological or demonic. We have to discern by looking at the fruit of the Spirit not the signs and wonders.
Anonymous
Gerardo de Dominicis well I was asking for a friend Link who just recently clarified he is not cog or in missions or not really a Pentecostal
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Troy Day I did not say that all that.
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Link Hudson right
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Christopher Lockhart there is NO churches with a bunch of people clamoring to prove they have the gift when the gift is not necessary. Link Hudson has never been 2-1such church He is not in missions nor attending member of cog Kyle Williams has also rethinking his theology in order to abandon his Pentecostal roots
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Troy Day that is not what I said.
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not that it really matters anyway
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Christopher Lockhart are you saying in your last 10-20 comments that Link Hudson has failed to answer your concerns about Pentecostal Theology – he posted verses