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| PentecostalTheology.comI did not have the experience, so I was always among the seekers at the altar. The Lord gave great revivals, and souls were converted and sanctified, and some really went through and were baptized with the Holy Ghost evidenced by the speaking in tongues.[18]
In June of that year, Tomlinson and M. S. Lemons traveled to Birmingham, Alabama, to attend a meeting conducted by M. M. Pinson and Cashwell. Cashwell was fresh from his Spirit baptism at Azusa Street and was touring the South with the good news of Pentecost. Sometime after the Alabama meeting Tomlinson invited Cashwell to visit Cleveland; and it was following Cashwell’s sermon on January 12, 1908, that Tomlinson received his baptism. While some of the members and ministers of the Church of God had received their experiences in 1896 and the intervening years, with Tomlinson’s Spirit baptism, the Church of God was transformed into a herald of Pentecost.
http://www.fullnet.net/np/archives/cyber/roebuck.html
David Lewayne Porter [03/13/2016 9:34 AM]
What are you calling our beginning Troy Day? If the official CoG history counts 1896 as it’s pentecostal beginning, Then should we not? (Reference – Like a Mighty Army). And again that was 10 years before Azusa Street East or Azusa Street.
I wonder why they included that in our church history and not just after 1906?
Troy Day [03/13/2016 9:37 AM]
It doesn’t look likely
Timothy Carter [03/13/2016 2:16 PM]
Troy Day, I don’t recall, saying anyone was ordained. Please clarify your question. I do recall comma saying that, people of what is now Church of God, were already baptized in the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues, before AJ Tomlinson ever received the Holy Spirit, as a result of Cashwell’s sermon on January 12th 1908. I am not denying Tomlinson’s influence on the Church of God. What I am saying is that people on this side of the country we’re seeking for more of God before the outbreak in the West. This is to illuminate that God was truly working.
Troy Day [03/13/2016 3:01 PM]
Actually, you wrote “Ministers in the Church of God were already baptized, and praying in tongues before Cashwell” and it was interesting to inquire which “Ministers in the Church of God” did you mean since first cog ministers were not until the first gen. assembly in 1906? http://www.fullnet.net/np/archives/cyber/roebuck.html
Timothy Carter [03/13/2016 4:50 PM]
See David Lewayne Porter, post to help Cleary see, that ministers existed before the general assembly.
And they also go back to 1896 and 100 people being Pentecostal Holy Spirit 10 years before your claim.
I did not say it did not effect the Church of God. I said it was (your words – a primary cotributer to the birth of the CoG – unless you are simply referencing the name change and not the actual movement).
Church 1st roots 1886 Holy Spirit poured out 1896 Azusa Street 1906 (10 years after HS, and 20 years after CoG beginning under a different name).
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Varnel Watson
A good OP for the so called mavericks to educate themselves Terry Wiles
Varnel Watson
I find this ONE of the best rads this group ever produces Melvin Harter Peter Vandever Joe Absher
Joe Absher
Is that what defines though ?
Varnel Watson
what do you mean Joe Absher did you read the article ?
Joe Absher
Is tongues the defining act of pentecost . do you need work or something ?
Varnel Watson
YES Joe Absher in American Pentecostal theology tongues IS the defining act of pentecostl it comes after a very long theological process of formation From salvation by grace, via entire Sanctification and Wesleyan renewal to tongues being experienced but NOT defined and finally tongues as initial evidence. In 21c it has been going backwards tho, ppl want the gifts but not the initial evidence Instead of casting demons out as a NT ministry they have gone to OT story telling And in some cases brief intro 3 jokes and benediction without altar prayer as Peter Vandever dully noted Pentecostal POWER has been replaced by evangelical nothingness and political porn Covid and the riots are just part of it
Joe Absher
Exactly