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φαρμακεία is pharmakia and translated withcraft in the new testament. Pharmakia means drugs and booze. I’ll often hear a man call it “self medicating.” This includes drinking and weed and dope. Things like this altar a man’s personality. Clouds his judgment, corrupts the morals of a man and pulls down his will.
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,…”
— Galatians 5:19,20
Pharmakia is used again in Revelations
“Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
— Revelation 9:12
“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
— Revelation 21:8
They are just physical substances but they open up the Spirit world. Especially methamphetamine. It’s interesting that the Greek word Pharmakei means “sorcerywitchcraft” is translated drugs in English. This is where we get pharmacy, pharmacist. Etc
What about Pharmekeia?
This Greek word is interesting. As noted, it is used for medicine, drugs, or spells. The purpose of many drugs used for depression is to put you under a spell or alter your thinking. They is what they are designed to do. In some cases, this is needed. However, most times it is actually going against the purpose of God for the person.
The word is used twice. Once in Galatians and once in Revelation.
In Galatians 5:19-21 we see the first use. It is related to the use of witchcraft. Paul was very careful to make sure it knew it was related to many other issues of the heart.
The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
In the midst of sexual immorality, drunkeness, hatred, selfishness and envy is pharmekeia. You can read this as “The acts of the flesh are obvious…. fornication, getting drunks, taking medicines, doing drugs….” Anything that alters the mind is of the evil one. It is the work of the flesh and inspired by the evil one.
Revelation 18:23 takes it a whole new level. While Paul said that using mind altering drugs were of the flesh, John the Revelator takes to the spiritual realm of angels and demons. Let’s take a look.
The light of a lamp will never shine in you again, Nor will the joyous laughter of a wedding be heard in you. Your merchants were once the tycoons of the world, But you deceived all the nations by your sorcery.
The reality is that the companies that make meds and illegal drugs are tycoons. They have made billions off giving people addictions. They have deceived people all the world by their usage of pharmekeia. The enemy, Satan, is inspiring people to profit off people’s addictions and it is deception and witchcraft.
You should never purchase oil’s that have Pagan or Satanic mumbo-jumbo mixed in their advertising mainly as a testimony and to not support their evil efforts. But just like with music we should never allow the devil to hijack what the Lord has created. In Africa the medicine-man (Herbalist) is one of the more harmless of what might begin to be termed witchcraft. In my opinion the line should be drawn when you start invoking spirits or the names of ancestors, etc. in the same way with essential oil‘s the names that they are given may determine whether you should use them or not. People who practice paganism, magic, witchcraft and Satanism use herbs and drugs to weaken them and alter their state of consciousness so as to be more susceptible to the spirit world. The Bible forbids us from doing this.
Varnel Watson
what you say about this Jesse Morrell RichardAnna Boyce
Christopher Cole
I use CBD oil to help with my arthritis. I am not at all apologetic about that.
Varnel Watson
I dont think any of us is Had member whose husband was fired during COVID because the use of CBD showed him positive at his drug test at work and he was fired over it
Rick Swengel
The CBD products we use are THC free, so I have no problem with their use.
Varnel Watson
that is the commercial ad but has not been medically tested or proven in any way except of marketing Lates medical research claims THC may be contained to some % because it cannot be extracted fully It is all up to the manufacturers if they can be trusted at all in the shady drug industry AND there are cases where drug tests are catching it as illegal drug The question is should christians even consider using such drug?
Michael Swengel
Troy Day No it’s not just a claim. CBD products that do not contain THC are not “drugs” as you understand them.
Varnel Watson
Michael Swengel no medical research YET to prove this that I can have If you can provide it I will be happy to read Recently had a member whose husband was fired over CBD for his muscles that came on a drug test at work I started reading AND found out actual medical research stating NOT all can be drawn out and in most cases THC still remains in CBD
Michael Swengel
Troy Day In some CBD products, that’s true. Not in all. Please do your research before you start making claims.
Kerri Scherban
You’re kidding right? You do realize the recipe for anointing oil is in exodus and calls for 9 lbs of cannabis?
Brandon Schwieger
Kerri Scherban where does the Bible say that?
Kerri Scherban
Brandon Schwieger exodus 30:23-25, fragrant cane, kaneh bosem (קְנֵה-בֹשֶׂם kaneh bosm) 250 shekels (about 3 kg)
Exodus 30:23-25 New American Standard Bible (NASB)
23 “Take also for yourself the finest of spices: of flowing myrrh five hundred shekels, and of fragrant cinnamon half as much, two hundred and fifty, and of fragrant cane two hundred and fifty, 24 and of cassia five hundred, according to the shekel of the sanctuary, and of olive oil a hin. 25 You shall make of these a holy anointing oil, a perfume mixture, the work of a perfumer; it shall be a holy anointing oil.
Brandon Schwieger
Kerri Scherban I dont see where it says cannabis though? Not saying youre wrong, but I’m not convinced either
Kerri Scherban
Brandon Schwieger
Zach Michael
Kerri Scherban theres no cannabis in this passage. Unless you are trying to argue that cane is cannabis?
Varnel Watson
Kerri Scherban This false claim comes from 1936 when a little known Polish Professor, Sara Benetowa (later Sula Benet), did extensive etymological research She presupposed that since the the word “cinnamon” from the passage is derived from a Semitic origin; it is possible that “cannabis” is also of Semitic origin. That’s ALL She made NO claims that the Hebrew phrase qaneh bosem can be“cannabis” On the contrary, the original research and everything else since the 1930s defined as “an aromatic resinous reed plant” which we all know that a reed has nothing do with cannabis plant.
On quite the contrary φαρμακεία is pharmakia and translated withcraft in the new testament. Pharmakia means drugs and booze. I’ll often hear a man call it “self medicating.” This includes drinking and weed and dope. Things like this altar a man’s personality. Clouds his judgment, corrupts the morals of a man and pulls down his will.
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,…”
— Galatians 5:19,20
Pharmakia is used again in Revelations
“Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
— Revelation 9:12
“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
— Revelation 21:8
Kerri Scherban
Troy Day According to Webster’s New Hebrew dictionary, the current Hebrew word for cannabis is “kanabos.”
Thus, contentions that the KJV possibly interpreted the Hebrew word incorrectly as “calamus” warrant consideration.
“While cannabis is non-toxic (not a single death has ever been directly attributed to it, despite much effort being given to document such a fatality), calamus is most definitely a toxin. The FDA banned calamus from uses in food and medicines in 1968 as calamus contains more than 75% asarone. Asarone is a poison which has been shown to cause cancer, and has ill effects on heart, liver and kidney functions. This toxin in callamus is used for pest control. Why would God specify a large quantity of a poison be used in holy anointing oil?”
Varnel Watson
Kerri Scherban yeah you can copy from other articles and so can I but there is nothing there to prove it The polish lady was just plain wrong on Biblical exegesis I would advise to consult BROWN dictionary OR Brown, Driver, and Briggs Hebrew and English lexicon of the Old Testament OR the BDAG/HALOT Bundle from LOGOS
Kerri Scherban
Troy Day something known to have healing benefits and would have definitely had beneficial aspects with hemp being used for cloth, medicinal, among others, it just simply didn’t exist?
Jereme McAlpin
I really don’t have a problem with it if it’s taken for medical reasons.
Varnel Watson
do you mean with doctor orders – prescription? Because right now you can buy it just like you buy olive oil
Patrick James
my dude, who created the plant?
Varnel Watson
So is poison and lead but we dont see you mooching on them any do you? φαρμακεία is pharmakia and translated withcraft in the new testament. Pharmakia means drugs and booze. I’ll often hear a man call it “self medicating.” This includes drinking and weed and dope. Things like this altar a man’s personality. Clouds his judgment, corrupts the morals of a man and pulls down his will.
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,…”
— Galatians 5:19,20
Pharmakia is used again in Revelations
“Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
— Revelation 9:12
“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
— Revelation 21:8
Trena Smith Vanderhorst
Cannabis is a plant created by God. The plant has medicinal qualities. It can be abused just like any other drug. We need to remember that our bodies are temples and to treat ourselves and our bodies as such. I have tried both cbd and thc oils in small doses without much luck. I don’t think using it is a sin as long as we do it responsibly.
Varnel Watson
I for one am against it Someone made a case for it from exodus 30:23-25, fragrant cane, kaneh bosem (קְנֵה-בֹשֶׂם kaneh bosm) BUT I dont buy it as being proper exegesis Do you? RichardAnna Boyce Joseph Kidwell
Amy Ramos
What?! This has to be the most bizarre article I’ve ever read, and I don’t even use CBD. There is no sound theological backing to the article. It is cherry picking a verse and twisting it to make an agenda.
Varnel Watson
END TIMES SIGN – church folk be smoking and rubbing on pot and still think it is OK and let them go to heaven
Marc Bonhomme
So are all medicines off limits?
Varnel Watson
is CBD medically approved or prescribed by medics – NO
Marc Bonhomme
Troy Day It is here in Canada. CBD has all the pain relieving and neurological benefits without the “high” of THC. It’s made mostly from hemp. I agree getting high on drugs is definitely off limits biblically.
Orall Burns
Should Christians eat at McDonalds and Kentucky Fried Chicken? Should they eat candy and chips? Should they drink soda pop? Should they watch Netflix and Game of Thrones? Should they listen to Rock n Roll? If your going to ask a question regarding CBD then you have to address all the others as well!
Varnel Watson
probably NOT but none of these gives you the visions while CBD is right there on the border line Danny Kircharr like in many other groups church folk be tripping 🙂
Orall Burns
Troy Day vision??? You radical fanatical are a trip. That’s why I love Facebook, it’s like the Walmart and fair grounds of the internet, so entertaining! Who needs TV when you have Facebook ?
Varnel Watson
oh see Danny Kircharr now I am a rad fanatic for reading the med research and know the issue Orall Burns pls check some research before your comment again
Orall Burns
Troy Day I just love Facebook, it’s so entertaining!
Raymond Wolper
THC is the psychoactive componant of cannabis. It will stimulate the cannibinoid receptors in the human body and trigger the release of anti-inflammatory compounds that relieve pain and anxiety. It will also induce a state of euphoria. CBD is not psychoactive, although it stimulates the cannibinoid receptor system of the human body the same way, relieving pain and anxiety.
All things have their proper and improper application, even alchohol (Proverbs 31). Don’t get it twistwd.
Varnel Watson
NO medical research calls it safe yet It is ALL marketing and cash cow Danny Kircharr had a member whose husband got fired over using CBD came on drug test at work and was fired So I did the research Depends on which company makes the extract but not ALL drug is taken out at all times There is always residue left Orall Burns
John Booth
CBD oil has huge benefits to Parkinson’s disease.
Varnel Watson
Orall Burns wwax on right hand wax off left hand some CBD oil Read some med research first pls
Leo Leeder
I find it amazing, not once in the headline, preview or in the entire article has anyone defined CBD. Isn’t that one of the rules taught in Journalism 101?
Varnel Watson
φαρμακεία is pharmakia and translated withcraft in the new testament. Pharmakia means drugs and booze. I’ll often hear a man call it “self medicating.” This includes drinking and weed and dope. Things like this altar a man’s personality. Clouds his judgment, corrupts the morals of a man and pulls down his will.
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,…”
— Galatians 5:19,20
Pharmakia is used again in Revelations
“Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
— Revelation 9:12
“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
— Revelation 21:8
They are just physical substances but they open up the Spirit world. Especially methamphetamine. It’s interesting that the Greek word Pharmakei means “sorcerywitchcraft” is translated drugs in English. This is where we get pharmacy, pharmacist. Etc
Varnel Watson
HEY NOW familiar faces in this group too – Do you want to pitch in on this one? RichardAnna Boyce Philip Williams Micael Grenholm
David Nance
If you use to get high…then you are a sorcerer in GODS eyes….if for medicinal purposes probably ok…
Varnel Watson
you should probably stay away too
David Nance
Troy Day a sorcerer is one who uses illegal drugs
Gregory Stane
Pharmacopoeia is the actual Greek, for”one who enchants with powders”…?
Varnel Watson
and there you have it folks
Nathaniel Taylor
Or another twin question;
Should Christians use any opioid products?
Varnel Watson
true
Chester Snavely
Should Christians use fire? People who make statements like this are compulsive rule makers – like the Judaizers. That is contrary to following the leading of the Holy Spirit.
Varnel Watson
it is not a rule just a question Answer it
Chester Snavely
Troy Day If you make a blanket statement, it becomes a rule. What makes you think you have a right to tell others what to eat or what day to worship?
Jesse Campos
Yes there’s nothing wrong with it
Varnel Watson
says WHO not the BIBLE in any case
Jesse Campos
Troy Day it doesn’t have the parts that alter your mind and it’s good for older people for pain so you don’t get hooked on opiates so yes the word of god says he’s giving us everything that is good and this also helps children with eplipsy so no it’s not wrong
Jason P Sage
ABSOLUTELY!
Varnel Watson
church ppl just wanna get high
Désirée Sebastian Klich
Nope
Varnel Watson
right on
Victoria Petersen
We as Christians are free, we can use these and still be saved Christians. The question should really be, is it beneficial? Cbd oil really helps some people with tremors or pain. So I’m all for that. But getting high off something is not good.
Varnel Watson
beneficial? are abortions and euthanasia beneficial?
Victoria Petersen
Troy Day abortions and euthanasia are not beneficial (you asked) that was not the topic I was referring too. It isn’t even in the same category
Justin LovesJesus Dover
God made pain remedies in the natural earth.If your taking them for pain releif it’s not un Christian.Id your taking it to alter your mind then it is.Becaue we should be sober and full of the spirit.I actually prefer stuff like kratom or cbd because it doesn’t mess you up like modern opiods.you can have pain releif and stay sober
Varnel Watson
so He did poison too Dont see you drinking it
Justin LovesJesus Dover
Everything depending on it’s use.Even amphetamines saves lives if you use it correctly.And a snakes poison is used to create it’s antidote.
Candi Davenport
Troy Day actually poison can help if taken correctly. Belladonna can be used in several medical applications. Some blood thinners use a small amount of poison, look up Coumadin/Warfarin.
Rhubarb has small amounts of poison we can eat, but the leaves could potentially kill you. We literally are exposed to poisons everyday, God gave us livers and kidneys to process it. So, yes I do see us drinking it. LOL!
Varnel Watson
Chester Snavely I agree with you that using CBD is NOT following the leading of the Holy Spirit.
Jacob Ray Guffey
I’m so glad I’m not Calvinist. Total depravity has you folks against everything!
Candi Davenport
CBD oil has no THC in it. Even if it did I do not believe it’s wrong. God gave us plants and trees to help cure ailments. That is not witch craft.
Karen Bean
Why shouldn’t we? It’s an herbal medicine. Just like dandelion, rose petals, & most other plants.
Varnel Watson
addictive per latest research – comes positive on any drug test at work or police Go figure
Karen Bean
Troy Day not quite. CBD contains minute traces of THC. Nowhere near enough to cause a high. & THC has been proven to not be addictive. So…
Varnel Watson
Karen Bean comes positive on any drug test at work or police Go figure
Karen Bean
Troy Day you already said that. If that’s your measure of whether we should use it for medicinal purposes, opiates test positive on most drug tests, as well.
Diana Tew
This question is one of a personal nature and choice. God guides us, not men. It’s just like the rich young ruler… money had him. So it wasn’t good for him to be rich. But others can be wealthy and it doesn’t affect them poorly, they use it helpfully and wisely.
This type of question is just trying to make rules. Smh
Varnel Watson
oh hello So keep GOD out of your personal business then ?
Diana Tew
Troy Day
Don’t know how you pulled that out of my comment. I said “God guides us, not men” I also said “This type of question is just trying to make rules.”
IOW… it’s a poor question.
Varnel Watson
Diana Tew you said question is one of a personal nature I said that GOD should be all in it as in the BIBLE
Diana Tew
Troy Day
I realize that. But God isn’t asking us, you are. My point is that this is the type of question that is discussed and decided between God and His children individually. The only reason people ask is because they want to judge those that disagree with them. For example: look at the screen shot.
Varnel Watson
Diana Tew oh yeah this is the truth A lot of them do You assume I meant high on drug where you are quite wrong BUT anyhow since you opened the door on CBD Here is some new research
Now this is from your own “fact checking”
Will CBD Oil show up on a drug test?
… There are a lot of factors at play here and the simple answer is – it’s complicated.
#exactly BTW you never answer if you support the marijuana industry by purchasing CBD products I do know however that the gentleman got fired over positive drug test because of CBD – that’s a fact! I’ve never done drugs but as Peter Vandever I do believe that the Biblical pharmakia refers to sin straight forward and that much of the money made support homosexuality sex trafficking and other crimes That’s a fact Question: Would your child’s pediatrician prescribe CBD to your child? Then would
you give it to her?
http://www.center4research.org/how-safe-is-cbd/
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/cannabidiol-cbd-what-we-know-and-what-we-dont-2018082414476
https://www.webmd.com/pain-management/news/20180507/cbd-oil-all-the-rage-but-is-it-safe-effective
https://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-lifestyle/consumer-health/expert-answers/is-cbd-safe-and-effective/faq-20446700
Concerns About CBD
The benefits of CBD are not proven, but the risks seem to be clear. Reported side effects of CBD products may include fatigue, drowsiness, reduced appetite, dry mouth, and diarrhea.[3] Some research in animals has shown that CBD could also harm your liver and central nervous system.[13] Not enough is known about CBD to fully understand how it can interact with medications. Experts warn not to consume CBD products if you are on medications such as blood thinners.[3]
Another concern is unreliable labeling. A recent study of CBD products sold online revealed that more than a quarter of the products examined contained less CBD than labeled, and some of these products also contained more THC than advertised.[6] Another study found that 9 out of 14 samples of CBD products had “notably different” concentrations than the amount on their label.[6] The uncertainty of the actual content of CBD products may increase risks. In 2019, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) sent four warning letters to the biggest CBD manufacturers, all of whom had incorrectly labeled the amount of CBD in their products and/or had falsely claimed that their products could cure diseases such as cancer and Alzheimer’s
Diana Tew
Troy Day
I’ve never taken CBD ? Have no desire to. Did I assume you mean high on drugs? Nope. You said it outright.
Varnel Watson
Diana Tew hey if you have a personal problem with it this is another question I am just stating the facts If you wanna discuss the facts FINE if not #movingON
Diana Tew
Troy Day
It’s not a good question Troy. Just letting you know. No need to be offended. Just realize and ask a new question. ?
Varnel Watson
Diana Tew hey not stopping you of getting high Just showing you the warning signs on the way
Diana Tew
Troy Day
Getting high with what?
Varnel Watson
Diana Tew exactly
Diana Tew
Troy Day
You know what you’re saying Troy. But we’ll just leave it at that.
Varnel Watson
that is the commercial ad but has not been medically tested or proven in any way except of marketing Lates medical research claims THC may be contained to some % because it cannot be extracted fully It is all up to the manufacturers if they can be trusted at all in the shady drug industry AND there are cases where drug tests are catching it as illegal drug The question is should christians even consider using such drug?
Recently had a member whose husband was fired over CBD for his muscles that came on a drug test at work I started reading AND found out actual medical research stating NOT all can be drawn out and in most cases THC still remains in CBD
On quite the contrary φαρμακεία is pharmakia and translated withcraft in the new testament. Pharmakia means drugs and booze. I’ll often hear a man call it “self medicating.” This includes drinking and weed and dope. Things like this altar a man’s personality. Clouds his judgment, corrupts the morals of a man and pulls down his will.
“Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,…”
— Galatians 5:19,20
Pharmakia is used again in Revelations
“Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts.
— Revelation 9:12
“But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.”
— Revelation 21:8
Karen Bean
Troy Day as I’ve mentioned, there is not enough THC in CBD products to make any difference, unless you use a “full-spectrum” CBD product. As far as the 10-stick drug tests that test for THC, there are more intricate tests that differentiate between THC & CBD. Legally, a CBD product can contain up to .03% THC. These tests, however, are more expensive & most companies won’t bother. More to the point, CBD & THC are only now beginning to be studied as mainstream pharmaceuticals because, until last fall, they were both illegal. The US government didn’t allow testing except in government-controlled, government-funded studies. Oddly enough, there is an FDA approved synthetic THC medication for epilepsy. Note the synthetic part.
As for it’s appropriateness for Christians, dear pastor, I would point you to Genesis 1:29. “And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which [is] upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which [is] the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.” Past the fact that marijuana is suitable for food, there’s no reason to believe that God didn’t intend it to be used for medication.
In light of that, as a shepherd, one would think that you would be more concerned about your flock’s health than the legality of their medication.
If you don’t want to use it, don’t use it. But, don’t make it a stumbling block, either. No one will lose their salvation because they chose CBD or THC over Percocet.
Varnel Watson
Karen Bean yes you did mention that AND I’ve presented latest medical research that what you said is incorrect Just read above where I provided proper sources It is basically all marketing and labeling Very few due the actual medical research It is NOT FDA doctor insurance approved You would not use it on children or pregnant women because it is still additive
Karen Bean
Troy Day sorry, bud. CBD, by itself, is no more addictive than water. THC has been proven to be non-addictive, as well. The “actual medical research” doesn’t need to be approved by the FDA for it to be legitimate. Dozens of countries around the world have been doing research on these herbs for decades. &, Yes. Millions of pregnant women use THC daily to combat the nausea & vomiting associated with pregnancy. Oddly enough, research has proven that these pregnancies end with children who test higher on intellectual tests. &, Parents give children CBD daily to combat anxiety. You should probably expand your own study on the subject to include sources outside the US. As mentioned, due to the illegality of marijuana, research has been stymied for a very long time. Unless, of course, your primary focus is demonizing a plant given to us by our Creator. ??♀️
Varnel Watson
Karen Bean hey I aint your bud but just FYI CBD is addictive You probably wanted to say CBD is NOT as additive as other drugs but still is Just check out the medical research I gave you already and see it for yourself Now pls present at least SOME credible medical sources for your falsified claims pls
Karen Bean
Troy Day you didn’t provide any medical research that proves CBD or THC is addictive. I even scrolled back up to double check. But, keep trying, bud. You’ll eventually be able to shame at least one of your sheep into living in pain & depression. Meanwhile, most of us already know better. ??
Varnel Watson
Karen Bean how so I placed a dozen of links Just read them And even if I didnt we are discussing your counter claim here Where did you read anything you said? Just off FB?
Karen Bean
Troy Day
Karen Bean
Varnel Watson
click to load and read just how many links to you providing NONE 🙂 need anymore.? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/should-christians-use-any-cbd-products
Karen Bean
No. We’re discussing your claim that Christians are sinning by using natural, God-given remedies for any number of curative treatments.
Karen Bean
Troy Day there is zero research cited in this article. None.
Varnel Watson
Karen Bean pls read will ya pls ? Portland State study links cancerous toxins to cannabis extract https://www.pdx.edu/news/portland-state-study-links-cancerous-toxins-cannabis-extract
Karen Bean
I honestly couldn’t care less about “Pentecostal Theology.” Especially when it argues against the very Scripture it claims to explain. ??♀️
Varnel Watson
Karen Bean pls jsut read pls A March 2017 study published in the Journal of Drug and Alcohol Dependence examined details of a previous study where researchers administered various oral dosages of CBD to frequent marijuana users alone and in combination with smoked marijuana. The researchers determined that CBD had as much likelihood for abuse as the placebo in this study. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28088032/
Karen Bean
Troy Day have you actually read the study? Obviously not, since it’s exclusively researching dabs. Liquefied THC that is smoked. Nothing at all about CBD.
Varnel Watson
Karen Bean I actually have which you have not Now it is time for you to go talk to your husband See ya
Karen Bean
Why did you delete our discussion, Pastor Troy Day?
Karen Bean
Troy Day please, repost your research here, so everyone can learn.
Varnel Watson
Karen Bean what are you talking about? All the links are still there Just click like I already told you 10 times and read for yourself You are sober while we are talking here right? Sorry I have to ask but you seem to be reaching
Karen Bean
Troy Day why did you delete our conversation?
Varnel Watson
what conversation has been deleted? I clearly see THE conversation ALL your pretty comments with not a single proof to them Click read enhoy and pls show SOME proof after 3 days of talking http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/should-christians-use-any-cbd-products/
Varnel Watson
Tim Spangler would ppl who use CBD go to hell?
Tim Spangler
Not my job
Troy Day
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Troy Day
The claim that cannabis is mentioned in the Bible originates in the work of Polish anthropologist Sula Benet (1903-1982) who earned a doctorate from the University of Warsaw, where her thesis was titled, “Hashish in Folk Customs and Beliefs.” She also earned a PhD at Columbia University in 1943 and went on to teach at Hunter College in New York City. Lecturing in Warsaw in 1936, she first proposed the idea that cannabis is mentioned in the Bible, an assertion she continued to repeat throughout her academic career. Modern cannabis advocates who announce “Marijuana is in the Bible!” almost always have Benet’s research in mind.
Why would Benet make such a claim? She arrives at this erroneous conclusion via a very sloppy word study. In Exodus 30:23 -24, God instructs Moses to make incense for worship and gives the ingredients, saying, “Take the finest spices: of liquid myrrh 500 shekels, and of sweet-smelling cinnamon half as much, that is, 250, and 250 of aromatic cane, and 500 of cassia, according to the shekel of the sanctuary, and a hin of olive oil.” The Hebrew phrase translated “aromatic cane” by the ESV in Exodus 30:23 is qanēh-bōśem. Playing fast and loose with the background of other words in Sanskrit, Assyrian, Persian, and Arabic, Benet essentially claims the Hebrew term qanēh-bōśem sounds a lot like the word cannabis, and thus, “Voila! Cannabis is in the Bible!”
Benet’s bizarre assertion is not substantiated by the definitive Hebrew lexicon, The Hebrew and Aramaic Lexicon of the Old Testament, which says the term qanēh-bōśem is referring to a type of balsam oil.[1] Balsam simply refers to aromatic resins derived from certain plants, and not cannabis.
Benet’s is the sloppiest form of research, connecting the Hebrew term qanēh-bōśem to cannabis because they remotely sound alike. She brazenly asserts, “In many ancient languages, including Hebrew, the root kan has a double meaning—both hemp and reed.” This is not based on any evidence in the Hebrew itself, but from references to the similar sounding word cannabis used centuries later in Greek along with much later references from the Jerusalem Talmud. This is what D. A. Carson calls the fallacy of semantic anachronism: Benet is reading a later use of a similar sounding word or words back into the meaning as found in Exodus.[2] More bluntly, Benet is profoundly wrong: Just because words in two different languages happen to sound alike doesn’t necessarily require them to have the same meaning. No lexicon supports Benet’s interpretation; modern commentaries do not take her seriously.
Troy Day
though this guy is off the chart and he should actualy READ her dissertation that has to do with the original write THIS hows a FINE reason why Link Hudson Nate Ridgeway Oscar Valdez need to study original tongue BEFORE mixing rapture terms to the point of stating GOD did not know what he was talking about OR he meant one for pre-trib and another for post-trib Tony Richie Michael Chauncey Neil Steven Lawrence
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Charles Page Michael Ellis Carter Jr.
link to the early ABSTRACT of the dissertation https://www.xn--4dbcyzi5a.com/wp-content/PDF/EARLY-DIFFUSION-AND-FOLK-USES-OF-HEMP-SULA-BENET.pdf
and a GUIDE of all SULA papers for further interest http://dlib.nyu.edu/findingaids/html/rism/rism_rg_2/bioghist.html
Troy Day
The earliest reference to the Ashkenaz people appears in the Bible
in Genesis 10: 3, where Ashkenaz, their progenitor, is na;med as the son of
Gomer, the great-grandson of Noah. Philip Williams and as DR SULA had discovered they lots of pot with them on the boat and sank
the sweet wine noah drunk was mixed with pot hense opened his mind for other activities beside with this wife – you can read it here for yourself https://www.xn--4dbcyzi5a.com/wp-content/PDF/EARLY-DIFFUSION-AND-FOLK-USES-OF-HEMP-SULA-BENET.pdf
Philip Williams
Troy Day Noah did not sin. Why slander this righteous man?
Troy Day
Philip Williams Noah didnt what now?
The Sin of Noah (Genesis 9:18-29)
Lesson 21: A Good Man’s Sin (Genesis 9:18-29) | Bible.org
The Sin of Noah – Grace to You
Covering the Nakedness of Noah – Ezra Institute
Noah’s Sin and the Curse On Canaan
https://www.google.com/search?q=noah+sinned&rlz=1C1ONGR_enUS972US972&oq=noah+sinned&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i390l3.1464j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
Jeffrey Snyder
Maybe this could apply? 🤭 https://theologyintheraw.com/should-christians-drink-alcohol/#:~:text=But%20the%20Bible%20goes%20further,28%3A39%2C%2051).
Anonymous
Excellent article 👍👍
In my experience with recovery ministry, CBD ?probably? isn’t addictive. But like the article says, we do need to be careful which powerful companies we support 😳
Anonymous
Obviously THC is extremely addictive
Anonymous
Brian Angela Doyle CBD is too – obviously
Anonymous
Troy Day I wouldn’t dispute that CBD isn’t addictive, just haven’t witnessed that part personally in the lives of clients and Disciples, like I’ve seen with THC.
Thanks for caring bout this issue, it’s definitely a top issue the church in the USA is trying to slouch off😳
Troy Day
it is VERY VERY simple John Mushenhouse Philip Williams real christians dont do drugs – not sure what kind of christians Link Hudson Stan Wayne know do CBD ?
The Corinthians drank real wine… to excess AND SINNED – nobody in the NT drunk real wine without sinning Not even a SIP. The idea of believers social drinking is ridiculous and Biblical indefensible… the idea that the Bible allows social drinking is foolish
What about Pharmekeia? Peter Vandever may ask as wine and spirits fall into the category of such occult mixture Billy Monroe Poff Daniel Denmark
This Greek word is interesting. As noted, it is used for medicine, drugs, or spells. The purpose of many drugs used for depression is to put you under a spell or alter your thinking. They is what they are designed to do. In some cases, this is needed. However, most times it is actually going against the purpose of God for the person.
The word is used twice. Once in Galatians and once in Revelation.
In Galatians 5:19-21 we see the first use. It is related to the use of witchcraft. Paul was very careful to make sure it knew it was related to many other issues of the heart.
The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.
In the midst of sexual immorality, drunkeness, hatred, selfishness and envy is pharmekeia. You can read this as “The acts of the flesh are obvious…. fornication, getting drunks, taking medicines, doing drugs….” Anything that alters the mind is of the evil one. It is the work of the flesh and inspired by the evil one.
Troy Day
RT Robert Cox I’m not going to post this on the Assembly of God page that I’m on, but I have to post it somewhere. I have great respect for the Assembly of God church. I was raised in it and my mom’s mother was basically a charter member, joined them in the 1920s when she left the “shouting Methodist” church.
I was originally credentialed with the AG, and my first and only pastorate was an AG church originally. I had some problems with them as a denomination and the church and I left the AG in 2005 with many bad things happening, including them charging us 80k to keep our church that they didn’t have a dime in.
I’m over all that. What I cannot get over is what I see the AG turning into. The page I’m on includes younger AG pastors and their beliefs are totally opposite from the AG Doctrinal statements. The AG believes in abstinence from alcohol; most of these new guys laugh at that. Some even talk about smoking weed. They embrace homosexuality and preach a “love” that seems more like universalism and everyone is going to heaven bc Jesus loves them. I just got astounded again by a young AG pastor telling me that sinners will be judged to different degrees of hell. This is a new one on me. I blasted him so I’ll probably get tossed off the page.
The Bible only mentions one lake of Fire in Revelation and that is where sinners that haven’t been washed in the blood are headed.
Heresy is being taught at nearly every major denomination that I can think of. I’m so glad that I went independent a few yrs ago. The Bible is my doctrine and that I will stick to.
The AG, the Methodists and yes, SBC it’s coming for you.
I may well stand alone, but alone I will stand for the truth of God’s Word.
There….I vented. I am just an old fashioned Pentecostal preacher that preaches the blood of Jesus saves, we need to repent often and do our best to avoid sin. Try to reach souls for the kingdom. Love one another. It’s all pretty simple to me.
But then again, I’m just a small town country preacher.
*I might add that I know some absolutely solid men of God in the AG. My dad is still lisc with them. But these new guys seem to be……lacking at best.
—Pastor Robert—
Troy Day
Robert Cox this is something Philip Williams should consider early in the morning NOT sure where Junior is on this 1
Junior Beasley
Troy Day I agree with Robert. Your one of the ones he is referring to just a differnt group, but your continual lying and bullying you’d of been out long ago.
Troy Day
Junior Beasley it is understood that you cannot comment on theological posts as John already showed you but at least stop the ad hominem junk you spew constantly its not our fault you drink but yours. Get over it already #Bdone!
Junior Beasley
Troy Day Not until you stop lying and bullying ppl. Do you repent? Are you truly apologetic for the things you have done? Are you seeking the Lord for a New heart and a New direction? Answer those questions?
Like we use to say in Church, That Brother needs another dip and we don’t mean Copenhagen.
Junior Beasley
Troy Day Me and my wife has our picture taken at a hundred dollar a plate restaurant and there was a non alcoholic drink belonging to the ppl who took the picture and you and John plaster it and accuse me of being a drunk. Pentecostal are under enough fire all the time for our strict beliefs with out having ppl like you and John tearing it up from with in while trying to pass your self off as being some type of authoritarian figures in Pentecost you two need to repent.
Troy Day
Junior Beasley OK I apologize Picture looked like thousand words and John Mushenhouse caught it What do you have to say theologically about this post now? FYI most of us here just poor theologians and professors with 2-3 PhDs dont have no money to go to 100-dollar suppers you see
Junior Beasley
Troy Day
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John Mushenhouse
Troy Day the picture was from his homepage and the label was covered. he thought he could get away with posting another pic with the label clear in order to make us look like jerks. Such a foolish game and that restaurant was a bar and no way worth 100 a plate.
John Mushenhouse
Troy Day Here is the pic which JUnior doesn’t want to show. Notice the label is covered. Notice it looks like a bar behind him. Troy why would you go to a place like that and drink near beer. I heard it just doesn’t taste close to regular beer. Anyway blow this pic up. Junior wants to play games as he needs Jesus t change his heart and thus his life.
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John Mushenhouse
Troy why would a preacher of the gospel as he claims to be, post a pic which gives an impression of worldliness. I believe it is of very poor taste and I am nt talking about the quality of that near-beer either.
Troy Day
John Mushenhouse well Junior Beasley has explained
not his drink
not spirit
not cheap – $100 plate 🙂
This must explain it all BUT it all has to be true for starters
NO a preacher of the GOSPEL would NOT do it
BUT as Robert Cox pointed out many feel drinking is nothing pot is nothing CBD used by all Philip Williams
Junior Beasley
John Mushenhouse
Cause I was With the Church Group were we had just finished Speaking at. They took the picture I just borrowed it from thier page. The dinner was just a reward for spending time in service with them. It’s a church in the ghetto of OKC that ministers to alcoholics, drug addicts, and prostitutes. Just think thst young person who took that pic use to not consume non alcoholic drinks. I’m try to follow Jesus’s standards. Not yours John. But you just like the Publicans branded me a drunk just like they did Jesus. I am ashamed of no one. Maybe you should humble yourself a little and try not to be a pharisee, snake, and viper. Just saying
Troy Day
Junior Beasley nice reward – give us a link to their page of that church group after service that took you out please THE plot now thickens quite a bit 🙂 John Mushenhouse
Junior Beasley
Troy Day I wouldn’t let you no where near that church they do good work. You’d beat them into hell.
Troy Day
hey John Mushenhouse I literally just looked through the labels of 99 bottles of beer and rum and could not find any non-alcoholic drink Junior Beasley claimed He wouldnt point us to the church either to confirm hiStory – that greet missional gospel church where ppl attend in biker head covers and then gather for Agape feast at a 100-dollar plate bar where they order non-drink drinks 🙂 NOW I may be wrong all the way here but Ive preached all my life and cant remember being taken to 100-dollar plate May be Ryans or the next level Chillies 🙂 but this 1 fancy biker church I tell ya Perhaps Robert Cox was taken to such fancy place after preaching
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John Mushenhouse
Troy Day I think junior may have blocked me. I am in good company as he has blocked Jesus. Instead of praying for those who speak against him as Jesus commanded (Matt 5:44, Luke 6:27-28) he calls them names. This man bears a false witness when he calls himself a preacher of the gospel.
Junior Beasley
Troy Day look harder took 30 seconds
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Troy Day
Do you see this John Mushenhouse ???
The brand matches the story 🙂
Junior Beasley
Troy Day well this apology was a lie huh? PTS I knew was a liberal arts college, just didn’t know it taught lying and scheming.
John Mushenhouse
Junior Beasley what PTS school – Pentecostal Theological Seminary or another PTS.
Junior Beasley
John Mushenhouse come on pharisee hater if the brethren spew some more lies maybe the ppl will see you mean what you say, priest of Jezabel
Pentecostal Theology
no need for such epitaphs Junior Beasley Dont be surprised when FB starts blocking you again
Pentecostal Theology
Junior Beasley YES your activity was limited by the new AI bot FB enforces on groups Hense discussions were moved to this page with the hope FB would not infringe or at least infringe lets This was not Dr. Day’s action So go have another unalcoholic drink and cry a river somewhere else
Troy Day
John Mushenhouse what PTS ? We are all generational AG here My fam is 4gen into AG – what are you talking about? John Mushenhouse rightly suspected could be your PTSD?
Pentecostal Theology
Let’s stick to the topic here Junior Beasley Do you use CBD and what are the side effects from such usage?
Junior Beasley
Pentecostal Theology no Troy I do not use it I tried the over the counter oil once it’s a waste of money. I just stick to the prescription pain pills the Dr prescribes me.
I have tried a lot of differnt herbs in my time with Luke being a Practicing pharmacy in his time I see no problem with it. But the writer of this article has already named Saint Luke a member of the occult and a Satanist. I laughed all the way through this article thinking about poor ole Saint Luke the writer of the Gospel. It’s nonsense articles like this that help to bring attention to the church being hypocritical in the eyes of the lost. The Lost know Luck was into pharmacist