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Though prayer doesn’t change God’s mind or God’s purposes, prayer does change something- It changes us.
Chuck Smith
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It changes us as it bends our will to do His.
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Kyle Williams well Ricky Grimsley says it changes the mind of GOD
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Troy Day God Forbid.
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Troy Day according to the Bible it does. Prayer either changes things or it doesn’t. They can’t both be true. Let’s use our brains here.
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Ricky Grimsley I dont think Kyle Williams would agree
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Kyle Williams it appears that your mind isn’t free. It’s been captured by pagan fatalism. If you repent, Jesus will set you free.
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Philip Williams fatalism? Opposition to open theism in favor of Classical (Catholic) theism, which confesses the impassability of the Triune God is now fatalism?
Okay, I’m ready to hear your logic behind such a bold statement…
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Kyle Williams so you don’t believe that God made us in his own image??
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Philip Williams WHAT pagan fatalism is Kyle Williams captured in?
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Philip Williams of course I do…
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Kyle Williams then God is not impassible. He has emotions. He also changes his mind based on what we do.
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Troy Day dunno, Calvinism??
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Philip Williams that is near blasphemy…
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Kyle Williams that’s a wonderful reply.
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Philip Williams it’s as polite as I can be about it and every bit as astute as is your presumption that the Imago Dei makes the Triune God mutable and therefore subject to fickle emotions…
Of God and of the Holy Trinity, Section 1: The Lord our God is but one only living, and true God; whose subsistence is in and of himself, infinite in being, and perfection, whose Essence cannot be comprehended by any but himself; a most pure spirit, invisible, without body, parts, or passions, who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light, which no man can approach unto, who is immutable, immense, eternal, incomprehensible, Almighty, every way infinite, most holy, most wise, most free, most absolute, working all things according to the counsel of his own immutable, and most righteous will, for his own glory. Chapter 2. LBCF
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Kyle Williams here I must quote Wesley’s remark to George Whitefield, “your “God” is my Devil!” He made Alex Murdagh in his image. The best criminals and despots show no emotion as they murder and torture. But my God, the one in the Bible, has compassion on his children but anger towards those who abuse them. These aren’t fickle emotions but righteous and reasonable.
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Philip Williams emotions are inherently fickle…
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Philip Williams process theology damns souls, and I pray Wesley repented of it, the liberal that he was.
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Kyle Williams did Calvin repented of killing Servetus ?
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Troy Day Calvin didn’t “kill” Servetes. Calvin wasn’t even in Geneva when Servetes was tried and subsequently condemned according to the law of the land, for injurious heresy and blasphemy.
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Kyle Williams A few have questioned my claim that Calvin was responsible for Michael Servetus’ murder. One person argued that Calvin actually tried to stop his execution.
It’s true that Calvin didn’t want Servetus burned alive. He advocated for him to be beheaded. But there’s no reputable Calvin scholar I know of who denies Calvin wanted him executed.
Calvin himself had told his colleague Farel that if Servetus ever returned to Geneva, he’d “never permit him to depart alive, provided my authority be of any avail.” After the burning, Calvin said, “Many people have accused me of such ferocious cruelty that (they allege) I would like to kill again the man I have destroyed. Not only am I indifferent to their comments, but I rejoice in the fact that they spit in my face.” Elsewhere Calvin said, “Whoever shall now contend that it is unjust to put heretics and blasphemers to death will knowingly and willingly incur their very guilt.”
Even Calvin’s staunchest defenders (such as B. B. Warfield) grant that Calvin was ultimately responsible for Servetus’ death. They simply minimize his culpability by saying he was “a man of his times.”
I regard this response to be very weak. Jesus and the early Christians lived in very violent times yet refused to conform to them. And there were many Christians during Calvin’s time (the 16th century) who argued that the use of violence is inconsistent with the teachings of the New Testament – including Calvin’s former friend Sebastian Castellio and all the early Anabaptists. Not only this, but by most accounts, Calvin’s enthusiasm for the use of force to uphold what he regarded as right doctrine and behavior went far beyond most other religious leaders of his time – including, very often, his own Geneva council.
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Jesus said that it was the scriptures, the writings of Moses, and the prophets that testified of him. He often appealed to the authority of the scriptures when teaching his disciples, answering the challenges of the scribes and Pharisees and even when battling the devil head on. Today, Christians still have the same scriptures Jesus used. In addition, we have the words and works of Jesus recorded in the Gospels. We also have the Acts and letters of the apostles. These writings make up the 27 books of the New Testament. None of the books were produced after the era of the Apostles. Church councils were a necessary part of church history clarifying what Christians believed based upon these inspired and authoritative writings of Holy Scripture. Yet traditions and creeds are not equal in authority to the words of Christ and His apostles recorded in the holy scriptures themselves.
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well Philip Williams Prayer either changes things or it doesn’t. They can’t both be true. – they actually can Ricky Grimsley I do know of some prayers that change NOTHING and Link Hudson has expressed the same about sinners prayer
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Troy Day Jesus taught us to pray that God’s will be done on earth as it is in Heaven.
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Troy Day Prayers need to be prayed in faith.
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Link Hudson how does this make sense? John Mushenhouse
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Troy Day Here is an example. James 1.
5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
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Link Hudson what about ye of little faith ?
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Troy Day Is that a complement?
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Link Hudson that you are of little faith ?
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Why the personal attacks and character assassination?
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Link Hudson I was simply asking you to clarify your question
you said
Is that a complement?
I asked if you were referring to
you are of little faith ? or something else
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