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Post trib or pre trib rapture?
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here we go Clarence Bro Cope prove to us HOW a persecuted church today would be wanting more persecution GO !
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Not again…
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Here we go again… So Neil Steven Lawrence after re-reading what Link Hudson and Clarence Bro Cope I think I see their point They just want to show Jesus how good they are with their faith
though this is proving Jesus with your own works how worthy one is for heaven and is no needed
Jesus said – I will save you from the HOUR
There is no need to prove how great we are to Jesus by going trough the Great Tribulation Neither is Jesus interested in our greatness He knew we could not go through it on our and for this reason died for all of us Let’s not tell Jesus his sacrifice was not needed
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How about mid trib
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That the New Testament teaches Christ could return at any moment is a strong doctrine supporting the pre-trib rapture doctrine (see 1 Cor. 1:7; 16:22; Phil. 3:20; 4:5; 1 Thess. 1:10; Tit. 2:13; Heb. 9:28; Jam. 5:7–9; 1 Pet. 1:13; Jude 21: Rev. 3:11; 22:7, 12, 17, 20). Pretribulationists call this the doctrine of imminence. If Christ can return at anymoment, without the necessity of intervening signs or events, then it renders pretribulationism most likely and posttribulationism impossible. Imminence in relation to the rapture has been defined as consisting of three elements: “the certainty that He may come at any moment, the uncertainty of the time of that arrival, and the fact that no prophesied event stands between the believer and that hour.”
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PROBLEM 1 with pos-trib – want to prove how good they are for the rapture Basically save themselves by works during the Tribulation and not through the grace of GOD
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PROBLEM 2 with pos-trib – The posttribulational
view robs every generation of an imminent, and consequently of a comforting and purifying hope. It argues that, because the rapture was not imminent in the first century, it is not imminent in any century, and it cannot be imminent now. Antichrist and the great Tribulation are ahead, and there is no basis for expecting Christ to come before such clearly scheduled events
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PROBLEM 2 with pos-trib – says the devil will reign over the church during the Tribulation – NOT found in any scripture
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PROBLEM 3 with pos-trib – major major problem with interpreting Mt 24 where it says ONE is taken ONE left behind – left behind to WHAT? What is the point to be left behind IF the Lord returns in a split second – POST TRIB has TOO MANY PROBLEMS
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Jesus any moment!
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WHY CHRIST CAN RETURN AT ANY MOMENT
Look at these verses stating that Christ could return at any moment, without
warning. In their specific contexts, they instruct believers to wait and look for the
Lord’s coming at any moment. Thus, these passages teach the doctrine of imminence.
• 1 Corinthians 1:7–“awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ,”
• 1 Corinthians 16:22–“Maranatha.” “Mar” (“Lord”), “ana” (“our”), and “tha”
(“come”), meaning “our Lord, come.” The Arabic greeting implies an eager
expectation.
• Philippians 3:20–“For our citizenship is in heaven, from which also we eagerly wait
for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ;”
Philippians 4:5–“The Lord is near.”
• 1 Thessalonians 1:10–“to wait for His Son from heaven,”
• 1 Thessalonians 5:6–“so then let us not sleep as others do, but let us be alert and
sober.”
• 1 Timothy 6:14–“that you keep the commandment without stain or reproach until
the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,”
• Titus 2:13–“looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great
God and Savior, Christ Jesus;”
• Hebrews 9:28–“so Christ . . . shall appear a second time for salvation without
reference to sin, to those who eagerly await Him.”
• James 5:7-9–“Be patient, therefore, brethren, until the coming of the Lord. . . . for the
coming of the Lord is at hand. . . . behold, the Judge is standing right at the door.”
• 1 Peter 1:13 –“fix your hope completely on the grace to be brought to you at the
revelation of Jesus Christ.”
• Jude 21–“waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life.”
• Revelation 3:11; 22:7, 12, 20–“‘I am coming quickly!’” This means that Christ could
come at any moment, quickly without warning.
• Revelation 22:17, 20–“And the Spirit and the bride say, ‘Come.’ And let the one
who hears say, ‘Come.’”
“He who testifies to these things says, ‘Yes, I am coming quickly.’ Amen. Come,
Lord Jesus.”
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Troy Day Yes, his return is immanent and he could come at any moment, as indicated in MAT 24 “No one knows about that day or hour.”. But, we are told later in that same chapter that we should know the season, “Now learn a parable of the fig tree; when its branch is yet tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near: So likewise you, when you shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.” The Tribulation is the season, but the exact day and hour it is finished is not known,” Some say we will know for certain the end of the Tribualtion after it starts and it will be 7 years. But the Lord in this same chapter says, “And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the [c]elect’s sake those days will be shortened.” So while we know the Tribulation is the season, no one can know the exact day or hour of his return, so we must watch carefully. It could be cut short by a few day, months, or years. So we must be ready. And don’t forget that this chapter tells when the rapture will happen, “After the tribulation.”
Varnel Watson
that is THE question – another GREAT video by bro Steve Webb
Arthur Guice
I am Pre, Mid and Post Tribulation Rapture!
Joshwa Bedford
I’m pan-trib… it will pan out in the end.
Kelly Crites
I go back and forth between pre trib and Amil the more I study.
Varnel Watson
I am pre-trib and thats all Bill Coble
Bill Coble
Troy Day same here