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JOSEPH PRINCE free grace and CORONA VIRUS prophecy Covid-19
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce one fake grace prophecy William DeArteaga does this look like a real prophecy to you?
RichardAnna Boyce
JP is HYPER GRACE and not FREE GRACE (slight change in theology), but MIXED GRACE (adding conditions to FG) is opposite of F G and HG. I agree with this prophecy and attach updated 23/3/20 details of prophecy on TBN.
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce what would be the difference – its still grace right?
RichardAnna Boyce
https://watch.tbn.org/praise/videos/hd-p032320
Varnel Watson
ultimately it ends up being some fake grace
RichardAnna Boyce
when you judge the Lord’s anointed, i duck for cover, in case i am hit by God’s judgement. You will be judged by God to the degree you judge God’s anointed.
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce I am judging the said prophecy Arent you or just folow the guru blindly ?
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce oh hold now? Who is Lord’s anointed? Are we not? Shall we not judge theology proper in this group?
RichardAnna Boyce
i love debating theology, but duck for cover when you judge one of God’s prophets, who is enthusiastically endorsed by TBN.
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce no one is doing that hereI am simply speaking about this VIDEO – is a true prophecy? I strongly doubt it now TBN is NOT GOD BTW
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day Troy Day RichardAnna Boyce one fake grace prophecy William DeArteaga does this look like a real prophecy to you?
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day Joseph Prince thanks you for the free advertising, i imagine 🙂
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce of his very fake prophecy ?
Varnel Watson
The problem with Prince is not his teaching on grace. He teaches correctly that it is only the work of Christ on our behalf that saves, not our works. He also makes it clear that the Law has no power to to make us holy. However, there are huge theological problems with his teaching. The main problem is that he teaches the heretical Prosperity Gospel, mixing Word of Faith Theology with grace. The Prosperity Gospel is a false gospel. So even though Prince is clear when it comes to the work of Christ for sinners, he teaches that because of Christ’s work, the sinner is not only forgiven, accepted and loved by God, but is entitled, and should pursue health, wealth, and prosperity. This is heresy. This is mixing the Word of Faith prosperity heresy with the gospel. Not only is this a problem, but there are other theological problems with his teaching as well. Here are four that you need to be aware of.
1. The problem with repentance
In his book Destined to Reign Prince says this about repentance
“For all of you who feel that there should be more preaching on repentance, do you know what the word ‘repent’ means in the first place? The word ‘repent’ is the Greek word matanoeo, which according to Thayer’s Greek Lexicon, simply means ‘to change one’s mind.’ But because we have been influenced by our denominational background as well as our own religious upbringing, many of us have the impression that repentance is something that involves mourning and sorrow. However, that is not what the Word of God says. Repentance just means changing your mind.”
Prince is not being honest with the Greek word metanoeo. Here are the Strong’s definitions of the word
Greek Definition
g3341. μετάνοια metanoia; from 3340; (subjectively) compunction (for guilt, including reformation); by implication, reversal (of (another’s) decision): — repentance.AV (24) – repentance 24;a change of mind, as it appears to one who repents, of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done
Notice the word compunction in the definition. Here is the English definition for compunction:
Webster -Compunction: a feeling of guilt or regret ( chiefly US)
Full Definition
1 a : anxiety arising from awareness of guilt 1.3em;”>b : distress of mind over an anticipated action or result 1.3em;”>2 : a twinge of misgiving : scruple 1.3em;”>synonyms see penitence, qualm 1.3em;”>com·punc·tious -shəs adjective
So, to repent does not just simply mean “to change ones mind.” There is much more to it than that. The word that Prince used in his above statement makes this even more clear.
Repent: metanoeo: “to think differently or afterwards to reconsider (morally feel compunction) 1.3em;”>To change ones mind. To change ones mind for the better, heartily to amend with 1.3em;”>abhorrence of ones past sins.”
As you can see, this definition means more than simply “to change ones mind.
How did Christ define the Gospel?
Luke 24:45-47 Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem.
Christ makes it clear that repentance and the forgiveness of sins is to be preached. In other words, we must preach Law and Gospel. No one can be saved without repentance. A gospel without repentance is no gospel at all.
Examples of repentance from Scripture
Matthew 11:20-24 Then he began to denounce the cities where most of his mighty works had been done, because they did not repent. “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Tyre and Sidon, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. But I tell you, it will be more bearable on the day of judgment for Tyre and Sidon than for you. And you, Capernaum, will you be exalted to heaven? You will be brought down to Hades. For if the mighty works done in you had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day. But I tell you that it will be more tolerable on the day of judgment for the land of Sodom than for you.”
Acts 26:19-20 “Therefore, O King Agrippa, I was not disobedient to the heavenly vision, but declared first to those in Damascus, then in Jerusalem and throughout all the region of Judea, and also to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, performing deeds in keeping with their repentance.
Matthew 12:41 The men of Nineveh will rise up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here.
Acts 3:19 Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out,
2 Corinthians 12:21 I fear that when I come again my God may humble me before you, and I may have to mourn over many of those who sinned earlier and have not repented of the impurity, sexual immorality, and sensuality that they have practiced.
Revelation 3:19 Those whom I love, I reprove and discipline, so be zealous and repent.
RichardAnna Boyce
Pentecostal Lordship argue for a narrow definition of repentance always related to sin and unbelief and turning away from sin, with an observable change of behaviour is a necessary condition.
Their lexical argument is summed up by repentance being more than a ‘change of mind’, and repentance Greek metanoeo approximates the Hebrew shub to turn.
Lordship’s definition of turning from sins is theologically derived to agree their theology.
Free Grace thinks of repentance as a change of mind to agree with what God thinks of life. FG focuses on believing with God on a believer’s righteousness of God in Christ; rather than sinful behaviour. What a believer thinks about and focuses on in his heart will result in his behaviour.
Lexically shub was used 1056 times in Hebrew OT, but NONE of those 1056 is translated metanoeo in the Greek NT. Rather the NT translate shub as strepho meaning ‘turn around’ with no necessity to change behaviour towards sin etc.
The context decides the meaning of metanoeo in the NT.
RichardAnna Boyce
Matthew 11:20-24 They were unbelievers who went to hell.
Chorazin, Bethsaida, and Capernaum did not repent in the face of the personal presence and power of Christ. As a result their accountability is greater. Their judgment will be more severe than those cities that had rejected a lesser degree of light. Today the three cities Jesus condemned stand in ruins, but when Jesus refers to their judgment He has in mind primarily their inhabitants. They will have to answer before the Great White Throne for their unbelief (Rev 20:11-15).
RichardAnna Boyce
Luke 24:47. Belief in Jesus represents the only condition for receiving eternal life (cf. John 3:16-18; 5:24-25; 11:25-27). After establishing the basis for their mission—His death and resurrection—He describes their task in terms that will reflect their post-Pentecost experience. The Acts narrative shows that in general terms the nation Israel needed to repent of their rejection of Jesus, their Messiah—“beginning at Jerusalem,” the very place that should have welcomed Him. Gentiles—who lacked the prophetic preparation for Messiah’s ministry—needed to turn their back on idolatry and polytheism. Belief in Jesus represents the only condition for receiving eternal life (cf. John 3:16-18; 5:24-25; 11:25-27). Nevertheless why would the Jewish nation believe in Jesus for eternal life when they had rejected Him as a blasphemous criminal? Thus in regard to Israel the task for the witnesses involved providing the proper context in which belief in Jesus could happen—one where the nation could see that the OT picture of the Messiah perfectly matched Jesus of Nazareth. Similarly in the polytheistic and idolatrous Gentile mission field, faith in Jesus would involve providing the proper sphere for their belief—one in which the living God does not coexist conceptually with man-made idols (cf. Acts 14:11-18).
RichardAnna Boyce
Acts 26:18-20 Repentance is PREPARATION to believe not a CONDITION to believe for Gentiles and Jews.
26:18. God also offered him purpose as He delineated Paul’s future mission toward unbelieving Gentiles. Paul would work with God “‘to open their eyes’”—the task of illumination, which would lead to their conversion and all the spiritual benefits that accompany belief in the Lord Jesus Christ. Paul would not achieve this on his own. Ultimately God would grant the spiritual insight (see 2 Cor 4:1-6). The apostle, for his part, would endeavor to persuade people to believe. The believer would receive “‘forgiveness of sins’” and a guaranteed future possession, which includes a resurrection body and eternal fellowship with God. Sanctified here refers to the positional setting apart toward God which every believer enjoys the very instant he believes in Christ (see Heb 10:14) rather than to the process of sanctification—the progressive conformity of the believer to the character of the Lord Jesus Christ.
26:19. Paul then transitions to how he carried out the Lord’s commission. He addresses “King Agrippa” directly again (see 26:2,13,27), claiming divine authority for his actions since he had received a “heavenly vision” and thus underscores the reasonableness and propriety of obeying it. He also implies you also should obey!
26:20. Paul then defines the geographical sphere of his activity. His stress on “works befitting repentance” emphasizes God’s concern for righteousness. He always wants everyone—whether believers or unbelievers—to do right and grants no one (not even non-believers) permission to sin. The fact that people do not always do the right thing points out their need for forgiveness—one that only comes about by faith in Christ (rather than by good works). In this way salvation comes by faith alone (without any works whatsoever) and yet God, as loving and righteous, still desires right behavior from everyone.
RichardAnna Boyce
2 Cor 12 and Rev written to BELIEVERS for whom it is COMPULSORY TO REPENTS to earn rewards in Millennium.
RichardAnna Boyce
Acts 3:19-20 Repentance for these Jews is PREPARATION to respond to the message to believe, but is not a CONDITION of believing, as that would be works.,
3:19. The Apostle Peter again spoke to them from the perspective of Israel as God’s special people—and in the context of their recent rejection of the Messiah in Jerusalem. Despite their grievous sin, God the Father had both allowed them to live and granted them an opportune time to respond to the message: “Repent therefore and be converted.”
3:20. Peter assures them of a complementary consequence that would result from their repentance—the Father would “send Jesus Christ”—Jesus would return to establish His Messianic reign in Israel.
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce hold on – whats this got to do with his very very fake prophecy? do you believe it
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day i believe it, but dont agree with some of his hyper theology.
Varnel Watson
2. The problem with discipline
Joseph Prince says that Believers are never punished for their sins
“You will never find an example of God punishing a believer for his sins in the new covenant.” ( chapter 5, p 57, Destined to Reign)
There is no tension between temporal and eternal punishment. The Scriptures speak of both. The eternal punishment for sins has been taken care of by Christ at the cross. However there are several examples of God’s discipline of His children in the NT.
Examples from Scripture
Hebrews 12:5-6 And have you forgotten the exhortation that addresses you as sons? “My son, do not regard lightly the discipline of the Lord, nor be weary when reproved by him. For the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and chastises every son whom he receives.”
“chastise” in the Greek means “to scourge”
Acts 5:3-6 But Peter said, “Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to man but to God.” When Ananias heard these words, he fell down and breathed his last. And great fear came upon all who heard of it. The young men rose and wrapped him up and carried him out and buried him.
1 Corinthians 11:28-30 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died.
RichardAnna Boyce
I totally agree with you, and you are teaching the Free Grace view that there are several examples of God’s discipline of His children in the NT. Hyper Grace wrongly teaches that Believers are never punished for their sins. Free Grace teaches that God can severely discipline believers with even death in this life, and loss of rewards in the Millennium. But FG teaches that discipline is temporary (1000 years) and is redemptive so that for the rest of eternity God will wipe away every tear and all believers have Eternal Life in heaven.
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce I am teaching grace is FREE and not any view that you may imply It is not nice to force your view on someone like you do especially when you dont know the person from Adam BUT why do you stay shy of the above prophecy Is it real?. Do you believe it – or is it just fake
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day i believe it, but dont agree with some of his hyper theology.
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce so 20 comments later you STILL not commenting on the prophecy WHY is it fake?
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day i believe it, but dont agree with some of his hyper theology.
Varnel Watson
3. The problem with suffering
Being a Word of Faith teacher, Prince has made, and continues to make numerous statements about God’s desire for Christians to be healthy.
The problem with this thinking is that Scripture is replete with passage that state the opposite. What about passages that actually promote suffering in the Christian life? There are also passages that speak of Christians suffering sickness.
Examples from Scripture
Suffering in general
Romans 8:16-17 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs—heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.
Philippians 1:29 For it has been granted to you that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in him but also suffer for his sake,
James 1:2-4 Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.
1 Peter 2:20 For what credit is it if, when you sin and are beaten for it, you endure? But if when you do good and suffer for it you endure, this is a gracious thing in the sight of God.
1 Peter 4:19 Therefore let those who suffer according to God’s will entrust their souls to a faithful Creator while doing good.
Revelation 2:10-11 Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Behold, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison, that you may be tested, and for ten days you will have tribulation. Be faithful unto death, and I will give you the crown of life. He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who conquers will not be hurt by the second death.’
Suffering because of sickness
2 Timothy 4:20 Erastus remained at Corinth, and I left Trophimus, who was ill, at Miletus.
Why didn’t Paul heal Trophimus? Is it not God’s will that all of His people be healed?
1 Timothy 5:23 (No longer drink only water, but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and your frequent ailments.)
Why didn’t the Apostle Paul have someone lay hands on Timothy to heal him from his frequent ailments? Also notice Timothy’s ailments were frequent.
Galatians 4:13-15 You know it was because of a bodily ailment that I preached the gospel to you at first, and though my condition was a trial to you, you did not scorn or despise me, but received me as an angel of God, as Christ Jesus. What then has become of your blessedness? For I testify to you that, if possible, you would have gouged out your eyes and given them to me.
Certainly of all people, the Apostle Paul could have healed his own “bodily ailment” right? Wasn’t it his handkerchief that brought healing to the sick in Acts 19?
Acts 19:11-12. And God was doing extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul, so that even handkerchiefs or aprons that had touched his skin were carried away to the sick, and their diseases left them and the evil spirits came out of them.
What about our brothers and sisters around the world suffering persecution
Dozens of Christians in the village of Attagara, Nigeria, were killed in two separate attacks carried out by Boko Haram militants on June 1 and 3. Militants dressing in army clothing shot and slashed people while bombing and burning homes. One of the assaults lasted for more than five hours.
Varnel Watson
4. The problem with money
In chapter one of Destined to Reign, Prince states that God calls His people to enjoy wealth.
“You are destined to reign in life. You are called by the Lord to be a success, to enjoy wealth, to enjoy health and to enjoy a life of victory. It is not the Lord’s desire that you live a life of defeat, poverty, and failure.”
This is heresy. The Bible is against storing up treasures on earth, and seeking worldly pleasure.
Examples from Scripture
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.
Hebrews 13:5 Keep your life free from love of money, and be content with what you have, for he has said, “I will never leave you nor forsake you.”
1 Timothy 3:2-3 Therefore an overseer must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not a drunkard, not violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a lover of money.
Matthew 6:19-21 Lay Up Treasures in Heaven “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also.
Luke 12:15 And he said to them, “Take care, and be on your guard against all covetousness, for one’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions.”
Jude 1:11 Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain and abandoned themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam’s error and perished in Korah’s rebellion.
Keep in mind, Joseph Prince has no problem calling himself a Word of Faith preacher. Here are some of the heretical teachings of the Word of Faith movement.
1. Adam was created a little god.
2. God used the “force of faith” to create the universe, and continue to use the “force of faith” to accomplish His work on earth today.
3. Man sold his godhood to Satan when he fell, making Satan the god of this world.
4. Because of this God lost all control in the earth realm and is reliant on man. God needs an invitation by man in order to work out His plans.
5. According to Kenneth Copeland, this made God “the biggest failure in all the Bible.”
6. The reason it took Christ so long to come is because it took God this long to find people to cooperate with His plan to take back control of the earth from Satan.
7. Christ’s atoned for our sins in hell and not on the cross.
8. Jesus ceased to be the Son of God at the cross, taking on the nature of Satan.
9. Jesus was born again in hell, in other words, He had to be saved just as we do today.
10. Because God conquered Satan through the death of Christ, we are entitled to health, wealth, and prosperity.
11. The Christian is now a little god.
As you can see, these are dangerous teachings. Does Joseph Prince believe these teachings? I must assume so since he calls himself a Word of Faith preacher. Even if he doesn’t believe the majority of these teachings, he’s still guilty by association since he promotes and preaches in their churches
RichardAnna Boyce
i agree with you about suffering and money, as you are teaching Free Grace here, and how it differs from Hyper Grace. But JP is closer to FG than Mixed Grace of Lordship Pentecostals. But we are all going to heaven 🙂
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce I dont see you answering anything to any of my 4 points Lets hope you dont make an idol for yourself of any man for it will be bad for your soul Though you not hold Calvinism you still should know one can easily fall OFF from any grace be it free or paid From grace to grave
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day sorry you don’t have assurance you are going to heaven brother. But my God promises me I am.
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce seems like you are dancing around and staying away from a serious theological discussion when one present itself like this one 4 very serious theological issues and all you got to say is .. well not ,much
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day Ive confirmed i agree with you on 2, 3 and 4, but not on repentance; so we will have to agree to disagree on that.
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce but you stay shy from the prophecy WHY it must be fake to you too
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day i believe it to be true, but dont agree with some of his hyper theology.
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce you believed he prophesied the virus? did you even listen to it first?
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce lets put such theology to the test now Your religious guru may have a few kangaroos loose in the top paddock if he thinks he gave a prophecy or this is theology proper in any way Maybe thats why you felt like a pick-pocket in a nudist camp when I brought the first 4 of his open theological faults last night
RichardAnna Boyce
I am flattered that you are only left with personal attacks, But thank you for teaching me to show you grace in each of our discussions brother 🙂
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce what personal attacks? I keep on asking you about the prophecy and you shy away
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day i believe it to be true, but dont agree with some of his hyper theology.
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce you believed he prophesied the virus? did you even listen to it first?
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day i believe what he prophesied to be from God
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce you believed he prophesied the virus? did you even listen to it first?
RichardAnna Boyce
i believe what he prophesied to be from God
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce which part exactly ?
1-Grace and law are opposites.
2-Grace is one-sided and unfair.
3- Christianity is effortless
4-Asking forgiveness for sin is unnecessary for “believers”
5-Moses and Jesus taught opposite doctrineS,
6-The law brings condemnation therefore Jesus removed it
7-Preaching the law makes people sin more,
8-The gift of righteousness means we are righteous even if we are not.
9-Unconditional forgiveness
10-God was perpetually angry in the Old Testament.
11-God does not judge nations for wickedness
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day i believe his prophecy about viruses was from God, but dont agree with some of his hyper theology
Varnel Watson
Joseph Castillo WHY is Jo prins showing Illuminati hand signs while preaching about corona virus covid 19? https://safeguardyoursoul.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/joseph-prince-illuminati-hand-signals1.png
Varnel Watson
Pastor Joseph Prince believes that the spread of the coronavirus will stop suddenly and much earlier than what the predictions out there are.
Ask the Lord of Time and Space to accelerate the end of the COVID-19.
The COVID-19 virus seems to be having an intelligence of its own. – ha?
God must have released a great anointing in Grace Assembly Church in Singapore—since the virus attacked that congregation so much. – lots of them died after covid didnt they ?
Even for declaring Psalm 91 against the COVID-19 virus, you cannot declare it – come again?
do you really believe this ? RichardAnna Boyce
RichardAnna Boyce
What are your facts about Grace Assembly Church in Singapore? It is not the church that Joseph Prince pastors.
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce what do you mean by that? Seems to be fake news or even plan heresy Peter Vandever what do you think of this new free hyper or not so hyper grace?
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day it means i am asking the question “What are your facts about Grace Assembly Church in Singapore?” because you were falsely connecting them with Joseph Prince of New Creation church. You are also mischievously trying to infer that Free Grace is the same as Hyper Grace, and i have to continuously point out you error, brother. Maybe Peter Vandever will be able to explain this with more credibility, as im sure you respect his views more than mine 🙂
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce guess you havent seen the prophecy yet? If you had seen it you wouldnt say any of that