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Peter A Vandever | PentecostalTheology.com
At some point, we are going to have to come to the place that we realize that Jesus was not a southern classic Pentecostal that religiously voted Republican. The sooner we realize this, the better.
Stan Wayne [10/13/2015 10:27 AM]
Who thinks this – this is straw man thinking – No one thinks this
Peter A Vandever [10/13/2015 10:31 AM]
Many people have formed a Jesus in their own image. Pentecostals can be the worse about it.
Stan Wayne [10/13/2015 10:34 AM]
True – it is good to keep politics in general at arms length because it can arouse carnality in people but the alternative to Republican in this country has gotten very evil and it is hard for a Christian to survive in any other environment but republican now
Joseph Mcmahan [10/13/2015 10:36 AM]
Jesus didn’t go around tearing down other Christian brothers or sisters either. Being a christian doesn’t give you the right to go around slandering churches either.
Charles Page [10/13/2015 10:47 AM]
Jesus ate and drank wine with sinners, republican and democrat -at the same table.
Joseph Mcmahan [10/13/2015 11:01 AM]
That he did and he didn’t teach everybody how to slander one another or to slander the church because you have a rift with the pastor. Be careful with the grudge against the church and slandering the men of God. That’s dangerous ground
Peyton Gurley [10/13/2015 11:15 AM]
I understand what you’re saying, but you can’t take contending for the faith as tearing someone down. There’s a fine line. A lot of people, in our political correct culture, think merely quoting a Bible verse is hate speech. People think even mentioning Jesus is judgement. But I do agree with this post.
Timothy Nail [10/13/2015 6:41 PM]
I agree as any rational person would that Jesus was not from the south eastern section of the U.S. and He supersedes Pentecostalism and certainly was not a Republican but how is it that our coming to this already known conclusion sooner going to make things better?
Link Hudson [10/13/2015 6:47 PM]
How many of you think he ate and drank with re-publicans?
Peter A Vandever [10/13/2015 6:51 PM]
How many of us act like Jesus thinks like we think? 🙂
Link Hudson [10/13/2015 7:22 PM]
Some people seem to think conservative economic philosophy is in the Bible, as if Adam Smith were one of the twelve apostles. Or that Jesus would have supported Democracy.
I’ve even heard the idea that God somehow inspired or led the founders of the US to write the constitution, and not just from Mormons. That’s really weird to me. So many people think ‘this nation was founded on Christian principles.’ There was certainly an influence, but there were also Masonic ideas, freemasonry, and various revived philosophies related to democracy that aren’t in the Bible.
Charles Page [10/13/2015 7:48 PM]
Dave Ramsey is a modern day Apostle!!!
John Kissinger [10/19/2015 9:15 PM]
‘religiously voted Republican’ – do you mean Trump?
John Kissinger [10/23/2015 10:25 AM]
‘religiously voted Republican’ – do you mean Trump or would Jesus vote Hillary? Alan Jon
Alan N Carla Smith [10/23/2015 2:04 PM]
Jesus might just run on the Trinity ticket. 😉
Jon Sellers [10/23/2015 10:24 PM]
Only reprobates vote Democrat! ?
John Kissinger [10/25/2015 8:36 AM]
John Kissinger [10/25/2015 1:07 PM]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JR89oDhloYM
John Kissinger [10/25/2015 2:30 PM]
Jon Sellers Trump vs Hillary in the finals. Hillary for the WIN!
Jon Sellers [10/25/2015 2:31 PM]
Pray to God for mercy that Hillary does not win. Hillary winning would be like Nebuchadnezzar taking Israel captive to Babylon. 😉
John Kissinger [10/26/2015 9:50 AM]
“some Christians say they cannot vote for Trump if he gets the nomination and would even rather see Hillary elected than to vote for Trump” Alan N Carla Smith
Stan Wayne [10/26/2015 9:52 AM]
So what
John Kissinger [10/26/2015 1:23 PM]
http://moneymorning.com/ext/articles/windfall/trumps-dire-prediction-about-your-wealth.php?iris=424745&iris=424745
Alan N Carla Smith [10/26/2015 3:09 PM]
okay. Peter I’ll bite, can you please explain your reasoning that Jesus is made out to be a southern Pentecostal or even a Cali-Penti? Might I add do this without tearing anyone poster down. oh yea and why would Jesus vote Republican or Democrat?
Link Hudson [10/26/2015 3:24 PM]
Alan N Carla Smith I’ve been in some church services where it seems like te preacher wants to wrap the Bible and Christianity up American flag, preaching American nationaism and philosophy instead of scripture.
Even the left-leaning folks can do this with American philosophies when it comes to freedom and social justice and equality. Americans like to read their concept of ‘equality’ into scriptures where it isn’t there, both conservative and liberal.
Charles Page
Idiotic notion, Peter
Gilberto Rosado
Well, he did say that the democrats would always be amongst us…hehehe.
Varnel Watson
The democrats are a WAR party – guess who will win?
Charles Page
republicans!!!
Varnel Watson
As long as Jesus is not equated with Marx we are all good here
Charles Page
Liberation Theology relates Christ with Marx
Varnel Watson
Do you believe Putin is sending you liberation theology? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/gutierrezs-book-a-theology-of-liberation-designed-by-kgb/
Charles Page
No, it is coming from the house behind PTS.
Varnel Watson
Terry Wiles Who else in the Assemblies of God is teaching liberation theology? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/a-book-on-liberation-theology-every-christian-should-read/
Terry Wiles
For the most part the average AG pastor probably doesn’t understand liberation theology. I do not know of any AG leader who is teaching it. To understand liberation theology as present among many African Americans you should read James Cone. Most won’t but Cone clearly presents it as it is, a Truly different gospel.
https://g.co/kgs/jrm9sR
Varnel Watson
I was wondering more about AG theologians and thinkers
Terry Wiles
Troy Day At a recent AG black leadership conference the comments by typical AG leadership reflected a lack of understanding about non white thinking. For that reason I am led to believe that there is perhaps no one who understands the mindset of liberation theology that is writing about it or teaching it in the AG.
I do not hold credentials with the AG but am closely associated and fully supportive of their work, doctrine, and mission.
I am also connected closely with those who embrace liberation theology (both black and Hispanic versions) and can tell you their comments are constantly in the range of “no white person can tell us anything because they don’t understand us.”
This is directly a result of the core teaching of liberation theology which teaches a very different gospel. Read Cone and before the end of the first or second chapter the difference becomes very evident.
Stan Wayne
Liberation theology is soros style Marxism
Terry Wiles
Stan Wayne. That is true but it doesn’t cut to the deep differences that come out when one understands the paradigm from the black liberation theology. BLT clearly understood puts soros stlyle in religious language that fully exposes the different gospel. Again I encourage leaders to read Cone who has debated this with white religious evangelical and/or Pentecostal theologians.
Stan Wayne
Life is too short – there are plenty of Godly black preachers – especially in Africa
Varnel Watson
Stan Wayne As for Obama vs. Palin in the arena of faith and politics, I know of nobody who seriously claims that Obama is a Muslim. He has repeatedly stated otherwise, and I take his statements at face value. Conflating nut-jobs who hold that position with the entire Republican party is over-reaching, I think. But as to questioning Obama’s religious beliefs, I think it’s as legitimate to consider whether a church heavily influenced by Black Liberation Theology will have had an effect on a parishioner’s view of race and power. It’s as legitimate as questioning whether Palin’s possible association with Latter Rain-style theology would also effect her view of justice and freedom. I think both candidates have much to reveal in this area.
Terry Wiles
He is a politician who grew up as a black organizer and fit into the prominent black liberation theology in his community where he maintained political status. Using the term “Christian” is for convenient yet has a totally different meaning for those immersed in Black Liberation Theology. Once again, white christian Pentecostals should read James Cone to understand the difference. Black liberation theology is in no way the Christianity you practice.
Charles Page
Obama was influence by black liberation theology in Church, Rev Wright’s church He is Christian.
Varnel Watson
True. Probably the Atlanta black kingdom-now churches too
Dan Woods
It has been my experience over the past four decades as a participant-observer that blind support of Republican candidates has been far more common among Charismatic churches I’ve been part of than Classical Pentecostal ones. And this blind support among Charismatic churches has been just as common outside the South as in the South. The last three elections may be changing this somewhat. Well have to see if this pattern continues once the dust of 2016 settles.
Gilberto Rosado
The problem is making the church subject to the political arena – this is error. Christians should not be qualifying political candidates based on Christian or any other religious standard. God does not use the standard in choosing kings and other authorities.
Simply, God chooses those who will do as God has prescribed. Often this does not comply with “Christian” standards, yet, is what God willed.
And then, how many times have we voted against the will of Father? Think about it. Also, we then fight amongst each other and define our congregations based on political ideology rather than on adherence to doing God’s will – the lack of perception or sensitivity to such must be noted.
The church must take its place above all the earthly and beyond any earthly influence and/or consideration.
But note your resistance to my posit – and we’ll wait for the descent of that city.
Charles Page
I have never voted against the will of our Father.
I was in a big SB church (1000 people) we all stood and sung a song and then they had the pledge of allegiance to the flag and the National Anthem I sat through all that and I refuse to do such in the sanctuary of our Lord. My wife was embarrassed and upset.
Gilberto Rosado
The few and faithful. Bless you!
Joseph D. Absher
Who is that with Karl Marx?
Tony Conger
Lol blasphemy
Varnel Watson
Tony Conger Joseph D. Absher There’s lots of Christians feeling this way. Marxism is prominent in the Social Gospel and Liberation Theology in South America and abroad all the way to even NAR movements http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/connection-between-new-apostolic-reformation-and-liberation-theology/
Tony Conger
Threes lots of Christians that feel a lot of ways. That’s the problem. People determine their ideologies based on feelings not on scripture. In most cases they then enforce those ideas on others imposing them as if they were the commandments of God. How many people in this page are condescending and even mean when someone disagrees with them?
Varnel Watson
Only one I know who “feels” theology is Ricky Grimsley
Tony Conger
Now you’re just instigating
Ricky Grimsley
Actually i usually quote a great deal of scriptures with my views. I do not, however, check my reason at the door of these discussions. Who really lets their feelings get in the way? Who usually changes the subject or uses personal attacks. Not me. Perhaps i feel to much like defending the nature of God that i see impugned without any scriptures.
Joseph D. Absher
It doesn’t take a theolgy major to know every lie from hell claims Bible authority.
Tony Conger
So what’s the alternative? truth is established apart from scripture? Sorry bro but that’s crazy
Joseph D. Absher
A sound and healthy conscience works best in light of scripture. Bible scripture.
Varnel Watson
Guess you commented without actually reading the post. It is by Peter A Vandever http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/jesus-was-not-a-southern-classic-pentecostal-that-religiously-voted-republican/
Walter Polasik
Jesus wouldn’t vote Democrat, I’m tellin’ ya that! Not for what they stand for.
Dan Woods
Shouldn’t this be “classical”?
Karen Lucas
Varnel Watson
Dan Woods Was Jesus Pentecostal to begin with?
Tony Conger
I don’t remember Jesus ever being political or trying to persuade the Roman Empire to change any policy. The gospel can thrive under socialism, monarchy, etc etc
Varnel Watson
Luke 23:3
So Pilate asked Jesus, “Are you the king of the Jews?”
“You have said so,” Jesus replied.
[but with that I dont want to be political or persuade you to change any policy]
Tony Conger
Lol You’re too smart. I can’t follow you
Varnel Watson
There you go! If anything political the Church should be pro-Kingdom and I dont even mean the liberation theology Kingdom-now social gospel
Varnel Watson
No he wasnt We all know that already #regards
Steve Losee
and He isn’t what you’re implying He is, either.
Brian Roden
Not the elephant or the donkey, but the Lamb