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For those who have seen the movie “Jesus Revolution” here is some memorabilia from my Jesus Freak days. I once stayed for a week at the Jesus People commune near the Pittsburgh airport
I went to see “The Jesus Revolution” yesterday and cried just about all the way through it. My freshman year of college was 1967-68 at a small state school in south Arkansas. I was president of our Chi Alpha group and as such I attended all the other campus ministry groups. My pastor growing up had always taught that there were true believers in all churches that believed the Bible was the Word of God. I found this to be true. I was called to preach but the Lord had directed me to get a music education degree so there I was. I mixed freely as I fell amongst the other Christian students and we all learned to love and respect each other. Our fellowship expanded beyond our denominational barriers and soon other students had dubbed us “The God Squad.” We even sponsored two interdenominational crusades on campus. On other campuses students were burning down ROTC buildings we were lifting up the name of Jesus. We knew about what was happening in California and we were sure it was happening in Arkansas, too. This film was like a visit to those times. I even drove a Corvair in those days although mine was newer than the one in the film.
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https://g3min.org/the-jesus-revolution/
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Duane L Burgess The Jesus Movement was built on a theologically weak foundation, with a theologically weak man (if he was even truly converted) as its leader. Yet, it has been called a Holy Spirit Revival amongst young people in that day. The movement also produced theologically problematic fruit. The Jesus Movement was a major contributor to the modern Charismatic movement, as well as the modern Contemporary Christian Music movement. The trifecta of emotionalism, charismaticism, and cultural accommodation have been the key ingredients that have made the modern Contemporary Worship scene what it is today.
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Troy Day Chuck Smith came down and exposed such charismatic forerunners as Hagin, TL Osborn etc. Listen to Pastor Chuck teaching through the bible and I believe you will see something totally different. I would not say Lonnie Frisbee was its leader. Greg Laurie really liked him and the movie was from Laurie’s viewpoint. Was there some politics involved with who would get Costa Mesa or who would be the leader of the CC movement and Greg didn’t get it. He became SBC and the CC movement split in two. Why was there no mentioning that Chuck Smith had other children. One went emergent and Chuck Sr. kicked him out of CC and the other is married to the current pastor of CC Costa Mesa and considered having Smith’s mantle. Yes Jesus rock came out of the movement but these later day songs were never endorsed. We need to get the history right. The movie was a sham and a shame. It makes old folks feel nostalgic and young ones get the emotional high. The question is how accurate was it? Chuck Smith kicked John Wimber out and those who were charismatics. That started the Vineyard church. It was quite the big deal back then.
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Troy Day Pentecostalism has a messy history, also. There is the move of God, and there is what people do in their carnality and lack of wisdom. Wasn’t there a lot of emotionalism in Pentecostalism, and isn’t there still? Charismatics didn’t invent it. They might have borrowed that to some extent from the Pentecostals.
Keith Green was a part of that movement, as I understand it. He offered some correction to the truncated partial gospel that many Pentecostals also now preach. There were some good doctrinal voices in there. Also, in spite of some of his sin issues, Lonnie Frisbee helped lead many, many young people to Christ. I am happy for the revival that took place then and the many Hippies that put their faith in Christ instead of continuing to experiment with drugs, eastern religion, and various sinful pursuits. Thousands coming to Christ and being baptized is a good thing.
Is there any reason to condemn contemporary music styles? There are some songs that have poor theology. But some of them are good, and if they glorify God, why should we complain? Do you really think the apostles listened to or sang music that sounded like Anglican or Methodist hymns, or the combination of country and barber shop quartet music with a bit of ragtime thrown in here and there that Pentecostals sing out of the hymnals? If David could use the instrument of Gath, can’t guitars or electric guitars be used also?
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Link Hudson https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0isnBQEeZU
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wrong I was a part of the Jesus Movement
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David Tripp ok? what was wrong about it then?
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Did you see the movie?
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Who are you asking? Derek Godfrey
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Troy Day you, actually. I was wondering what you thought about it.
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Derek Godfrey well I practically wrote parts of it 🙂 maybe that’s why it is SO historically inaccurate
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Troy Day is it worth the money, or is it too much typical Hollywood entertainment?
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Derek Godfrey well brother comparing to where I was during the Jesus movement it was all typical Hollywood entertainment 🙂 but yes it is worth seeing it for you. I saw the uncut directors copy about 3 months ago before the holidays. And I will see the final cut too some sunny day
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The thing is many have said the movement died because Chuck Smith wouldn’t allow charismatic excess in CC. If you watched the movie , Frisbee complained that Chuck had quenched the Spirit because he wouldn’t let Lonnie do what Lonnie wanted. The movie sided with Frisbee it seemed (The praying of Frisbee to be used etc.) Again. look at the politics and Hollywood’s hand print on this entertainment movie. Smith’s model was verse by verse bible teaching. Due to his 4 square upbringing he was against most fleshly excess. He was far from charismatic.
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William DeArteaga wrote the original book on how they quenched the Spirit
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Troy Day well I believe the things I read from others and my personal knowledge of Chuck Smith and the early CC people.
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I would not say the Spirit was quenched. perhaps many people’s confusion with an emotional outburst confusion with the Holy Spirit and presuppositional bias due to the controlling of misuse and excess. Chuck after all taught 1 Corinthians.
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John Mushenhouse where did Chuck Smith came down and exposed such charismatic forerunners as Hagin TL Osborn and who else?
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Troy Day listen to his word for today tapes. He came down on them and especially TL and TL’s form letters. Chuck spoke of TL and Daisy. He also came down on the charismatics. William DeArteaga’s book on quenching the spirit wasn’t about the CC movement, but on many movements and later the charismatics. if you think Smith was a charismatic, then you have never read or listened to him. He had a book out well before William called -Charisma Vs. Charismania — It was written in 1983 or before. About the time Wimber was booted out. You can read it for free on the geekychristian site
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from the book – As strange as it may seem, I am convinced today that
the dead orthodoxy of many churches could be
enhanced by the gifts of the Holy Spirit in operation
within the body. Not the unscriptural excesses I
observed as a child, but the gifts exercised in a solid,
Scriptural way, with the Word of God as the final
authority guiding our faith and practice.
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Charisma is a beautiful, natural anointing of God’s
Spirit upon a person’s life, enabling him or her to do the
work of God. It is that special dynamic of God’s Spirit
by which a person seems to radiate God’s glory and
love.
Charismania is an endeavor in the flesh to simulate
charisma. It is any effort to do the work of the Spirit in
the energies or abilities of the flesh – the old, selfish
nature of a person. It is a spiritual hype that substitutes
perspiration for inspiration. It is the use of the genius,
energy and gimmicks of man as a substitute for the
wisdom and ability of God.
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John Mushenhouse I didn’t really get the sense that movie sided with Frisbee. What I noticed was that the Spirit came upon Frisbee and he began operating in the gifts. And yes it appeared as if it made Chuck a little uncomfortable but he did allow it. But shortly afterward, the movies shows that Frisbee lost his humility and if anything Frisbee started to get that NAR spirit about him. And actually became narcissistic. And then it showed Frisbee trying twist Gods arm by trying to make something happen when he stated “the Spirit has to heal someone, it needs to heal someone.”
Frisbee lost his focus on Christ and made it about himself.
And then ultimately “Chuck wouldn’t let Lonnie do what Lonnie wanted”, because Lonnie was acting in his flesh and not being lead by the Spirit.
But I do agree with you, Chuck was not a charismatic. He was a continuationist. And most likely at some point during his ministry he has quenched the spirit by overly policing moves of the Holy Spirit.
Sometimes there is a fine line between charismatic and charismania.
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Brett Dobbs actually there was much more. remember it was Greg Laurie’s story and far from a documentary. frisbee went to Florida to be a part of the shepherding movement and he blamed them for his loss of faith. he came back and tried to take credit for the Vineyard movement as well. Read Chuck’s teaching on the Holy Spirit. Blue letter bible has it. remember Laurie and Chuck’s daughter controlled the movie. Don’t take it as a historical fact. Drama drama – Nobody left the church. Chuck never washed feet as they simply took up the carpet. The church was missionary minded before the hippies. Chuck loved the hippies right away. Read the history of Calvary and also Chuck Smith Jr’s view. The movie was Hollywood.
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John Mushenhouse I was assuming that since Laurie had so much input on the movie that they would of kept it historically honest.
I don’t follow Laurie, so I don’t know what kind of Pastor he is or anything. I’ve only seen two interviews of him.
But that actually kind of makes me mad that they added Chuck washing their feet if he really didn’t. That moment in the movie was actually very inspirational. It really loses its inspiration if it didn’t happen. But I will check out his teaching of the Holy Spirit in BLB. Thanks for the input.
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Brett Dobbs Laurie also joined the SBC. Brett did he want CC- Costa Mesa although his church was/is very large? Did he want the leadership in CC. There was a split – Costa mesa in one group Philly in another. Chuck Smith never lost his faith as the movie hinted. Lots of questions- why was only 1 of 4 Smith children in the movie. They have fought over property rights since Chuck died. With all the hype because Christians want sanitized entertainment and so desire to see anything that hints as Christianity, it is hard to say something in opposition to this fiction account. Jesus was mentioned so I praise God as Paul did Philippians 1 15 Some indeed preach Christ even from envy and strife, and some also from goodwill: 16 [a]The former preach Christ from selfish ambition, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my chains; 17 but the latter out of love, knowing that I am appointed for the defense of the gospel. 18 What then? Only that in every way, whether in pretense or in truth, Christ is preached; and in this I rejoice, yes, and will rejoice.
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1 John 4:1, 1 Thess 5:21, acts 17:11
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You can find Pastor Chuck’s book https://static1.squarespace.com/static/5aede374b98a78f247e293ab/t/5ffca747138f807f8072362c/1610393417242/Charisma+vs.+Charismania.pdf–
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some books https://www.calvarychapelriverside.org/resources-in-pdf-format-for-download — yes it is from Riverside.
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John Mushenhouse I thought it sided with Chuck Smith, but, given the scenario portrayed, IMO, the fictional version of Chuck Smith was in the wrong assuming Lonnie was operating in the gifts.
I was going to start a thread on this. I took my kids to see the movie last night. Two of them asked me, who was wrong, Lonnie or Chuck Smith? I was going to start a thread on it, and I think I still will.
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better site http://www.pastorchuck.org/books
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http://www.pastorchuck.org/
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Link Hudson it is a fiction movie told from Laurie who was won by Frisbee. Most who knew Chuck thought it was trash and very bias. The movie had to come up with a reason and didn’t mention Lonnie’s drugs and homosexuality. Lonnie blamed it on his involvement with the shepherding movement for his backsliding. The movie said he went to Florida to work on his marriage. His wife didn’t like what he was doing. He went to Florida to try to be the head of the shepherding as he tried with Wimber and the Vineyard. He took credit for the holy Spirit’s dominance in the Vineyard. He was sent packing they say.
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Link Hudson Chuck never feared he would be fired or people would leave his church. They were mission minded people who met in a trailer park until they bought that small church. There had to have a plot to make a movie. It is Hollywood. They major in working on emotions. We Pentecostals should feel right at home.
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John Mushenhouse So were you at Calvary Chapel back then?
I’m wondering about Calvary Chapel, and Foursquare in general. I am from the eastern part of the country and Foursquare is (or was) mostly west coast. I did live in Hawaii for several years, and actually went to a Foursquare for a while, but it was kind of seeker sensitive, then moved to a church plant that wasn’t seeker sensitive, but I had the sense that the pastor probably hadn’t absorbed a lot of Foursquare heritage.
In a lot of the other Pentecostal churches, tongues and interpretation and/or prophecy was done in a certain way. During the singing, or in the musical interlude between songs, someone in the congregation might give a prophecy or speak out a tongue followed by someone interpreting. That’s what I saw in the A/G and with tongues and interpretation in the COG. (I have read giving a prophecy like this isn’t that common in the COG, though I hadn’t realized it. Maybe I’d just seen it with tongues.) Musicians would often stop playing so all could listen reverently. Some musicians might sense it coming and stop playing in advance.
Was this ever the practice in the Foursquare? Back in the day, did all the types of gifts go through McPherson or did they come ‘from the floor’ in those meetings like in other churches?
What about Calvary Chapel? Do you know if they originally allowed prophesying ‘from the floor’ in the meeting, even before the Hippies got there, or after?
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Link Hudson McPherson was the star. Chuck Smith never allowed tongues/prophecies from the floor while preaching and few times in the service, They had an afterglow for that. Pastor Chuck said the Holy Spirit was anointing him and that the Spirit would not interrupt himself. The four square were very classical Pentecostal, but you saw a latter day version when the seekers became prominent as in the CoG and AG. They were legalistic and emotional and big on entertainments as were the other two. Yes I was with CC in the 70s on, but not in CA. I met Chuck through Pastor conferences as I ran a Christian music club and a coffee house with people from CA in another state. I listened to Chuck from the start as well. Chuck just glowed with the love of Jesus. I heard his version of the early movement out of his own mouth and from others. I appreciate Chuck and his concentration on the word. As I got older and turned off by the modern ministries, I go out soul winning and then taught a Bible study. I turned the believers over to local CCs. The Lord blessed with several churches built. I do strictly exegetical studies and bible studies now with my wife as well as going out and witnessing. I have turned my back on the organized religion. I guess you could say i have been faithful to the Jesus revolution. In the past I have Pastored and taught in denominational organizations, but I only saw them as a missionary work. I believe in soul winning and small group gatherings for a meal, study, testifying and prayer. It has gotten harder to refer people to the local churches though. There a few but they are a short distance away.
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Link Hudson I did fulfill the educational requirements for denominations as I did get advanced degrees. I also spent some time with early Pentecostals kin. I learned quite a bit. But Chuck and another Pastor taught me the preeminence of Jesus and the importance of studying His word. Witnessing is a natural offshoot of that and when the Holy Spirit comes upon one.
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John Mushenhouse It sounds like house church might appeal to you– the congregation meets in a home. Some of them have meetings based on I Corinthians 14:26 and have the Lord’s Supper as (or as a part of) a full meal.
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John Mushenhouse I don’t think I’ve seen tongues during a sermon in the COG, A/G, and definitely not in Foursquare…or independent Pentecostal or Charismatic type churches for that matter.
But many of the Pentecostal churches allow, or used to allow, someone to prophesy during singing part of the service…. or that’s how it was done. I don’t remember anyone saying that was the only time.
I don’t care for that saying, “The Spirit doesn’t interrupt himself” because look at what Paul says in I Corinthians 14.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
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Link Hudson that is when they are just prophesying, It also says the spirits are subject to the prophets they can control themselves. Plus Paul says everything is to be done in order. Interrupting a sermon is far from being in order. Link you are mistaking two different things. I have heard CoG people speak in tongues. In fact I heard Lamar Vest who was their leader do it.–Interesting about speaking two or three – wouldn’t it be interesting to hear two or three say the same thing at the same time.
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Link Hudson Yes the house church is what I Believe is the pattern.
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I am LOST @ words William DeArteaga wrote the ORIGINAL book on quenching the Spirit during the JESUS revolution Duane L Burgess Derek Godfrey
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https://collider.com/jesus-revolution-domestic-box-office-15-million/
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Joseph D. Absher why do you think was the reason for Chuck Smith’s other children not being in this movie? Some wonder if royalty payments is the answer. 15.5 million.
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Stop riding other people’s work. Write something meaningful about redemption or saving grace and post it or do a video about your love for jesus . I do not care about your skulduggery. How hard is that to understand ?
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did yall see it yet Link Hudson Brett Dobbs Kyle Williams Philip Williams
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Troy Day yes. Last night.
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Link Hudson and thrills and chills? 🙂
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Troy Day I watched it last also. I liked the movie.
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Troy Day not yet. I think we’re going to wait until it’s streaming and have a movie night at the Church. I’ve heard great things about it. If I were still Charismatic, I would go to our local Calvary Chapel.
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We Pentecostals not allowed to go to the movies and the honky tonks.
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Normally i would agree . The commercials in front were horrible but a few that were struggling received help and comfort in the effort. Which was alright I think .
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James Pinkerton care to weigh in?
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More about the people involved and the movie
https://youtu.be/cc3QxgKwW8U
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consider the source.
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you’re a source too friend
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Joseph D. Absher Joseph the source I meant was it was Lonnie’s brother. I expect him to show support.
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you’re an overbearing christian bully that’s always got something to say about somebody that’s you . thats what i mean when i say you’re a source . stop tagging me and move on with your life .
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I wish the gospel had been presented a bit more fully, and more fully in one scene– Christ dying for our sins, buried, and risen from the dead as opposed to accepting Jesus without much explanation.
The sinner’s prayer scene where Lonnie has Greg pray to Jesus–instead of the Father in Jesus’ name, didn’t really explain the gospel though it could have for audiences.
Truncated partial gospel presentations and “sinner’s prayers” are common among recent evangelicals, and maybe that is like what Greg Laurie does since he kind of vouched for that scene in the movie, but did Lonnie Frisbee do that?
I have listened to a sermon and clips of Lonnie Frisbee since watching the movie and he did constantly anchor his arguments and preaching/teaching in scripture. Did he do that with evangelism, or did he talk about ‘accepting Jesus as your personal Savior’ without mentioning the resurrection or even the cross as some evangelicals have done. ‘Personal’ Savior was probably more tge terminology of that era. Leaving out the cross seemed to be more common afterward I think. When did evangelicals start to deem not mentioning the resurrection in ‘evangelism” to be acceptable?
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Link Hudson It was Hollywood . Why can’t you get that in your thoughts. Calvary Chapel and Pastor Chuck spoke of the cross and one favorite scriptures was what Jesus gave as a requirement to be a disciple. –Matthew 16:14 Then Jesus said to his disciples, “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me.
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John Mushenhouse Well it was Hollywood, but I heard an interview with Greg Laurie in which he talked about how the actor led a sinner’s prayer like someone might today to lead someone to Christ, so I took that as an endorsement.
It may make sense to someone who had heard the Gospel preached, but I also see a move toward trying to get someone saved in 2 minutes with a short presentation and repeating a prayer with emphases on American evangelical phrases like ‘personal’ Savior (especially back in the ’70’s and ’80’s) and a heavy focus on repeating the prayer…. as opposed to a focus on believing the Gospel.
It also seemed extremely typical of modern evangelicalism– presenting aspects of the Gospel, but often leaving out the part about Jesus dying on the cross for our sins, and more often leaving out the resurrection. I am thinking of what Paul called the Gospel in I Corinthians 15, what he said about salvation in Romans 10:9-10, and some of the words of Christ in the closing chapter in Luke.
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Link Hudson the movie was fiction, Read my posts further down as I included eyewitnesses who didn’t make money or improve their image from that work.
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Link Hudson so you believe in The sinner’s prayer ?
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Troy Day Praying is fine. I don’t believe someone has to repeat a ‘sinner’s prayer’ to be saved, or that repeating a prayer saves apart from faith in Christ.
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Link Hudson what should they say from their heart to get saved?
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Troy Day The Bible says confess Jesus as Lord. But that has to be done in faith. Rushing someone through without telling Him Jesus rose from the dead doesn’t make sense, especially in light of Romans 10:9-10, which probably served as the basis for developing a sinner’s prayer, and I used to hear the doctrine found in it repeated before and during the prayer quite a bit in the 1980’s.
But over time, the resurrection and also the cross part was dropped from the message– in a lot of cases— and from the prayer. I’m kind of glad the ‘personal’ Savior verbage is less popular. We already have enough people thinking religion is so ‘personal’ that they don’t need to fellowship with other believers. Nowadays, the truncated ‘gospel’ is often a talk about how religion is supposedly bad, and relationship is good.
You do realize, don’t you, that the Bible doesn’t have any examples of our modern ‘sinner’s prayer’? (There is the story of the publican who prays in the temple, ‘Lord have mercy on me, a sinner.’) The Bible doesn’t say we get saved by repeating a prayer. That’s a custom Billy Graham popularized in the 1950’s, based on my studies. There were ‘decision cards’ before that, and shaking the preachers hand, and before that praying through on the mourner’s bench. Protestants had confessions of faith, also. The sinner’s prayer custom as a prominent practice is relatively recent, probably within my own father’s lifetime.
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Link Hudson confession comes FIRST in the Roman Order
but when you say
The Bible says confess Jesus as Lord
isnt that precisely a prescribed sinners prayer?
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Troy Day Depends on the prayer. Sometimes it has people say some vague prayer that makes reference to Jesus, says something about accepting Jesus– without any prior explanation of what that means, often without any prior explanation about the cross or the resurrection.
The apostles creed contains a confession of Jesus as Lord.
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Link Hudson for some reason none of this has to do with the movie, which highly disinterests me for some reason
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Troy Day It was an entertaining movement, at least for many Christians, and it may encourage some to pray for revival.
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to all here are the words of Chuck Smith Jr. who knew all personally as he was there.—it is from the forum Pastor Chuck and the Jesus movement — sorry if it disturbs some need for entertainment and an emotional high — ChuckSmith Junior
BT Arellano, I appreciate you asking. What the advertising for the movie does not make clear is that the plot line of the movie is not a history of what happened back then, but the story of Greg Laurie’s conversion, romance and marriage to Cathe, and calling to reach thousands of people with the Gospel. Since the lives of Lonnie and Connie, my parents and sister, and I would add the priest who at that time served at All Saints Episcopal Church in Riverside were not the center piece–important but still peripheral to the plot–there was not much concern for a full accounting of nonessential characters and I would add no concern for accuracy regarding actual events. I think what mattered most about the roles that Lonnie and my parents played in the movie was that it should entertain. No one in the Smith family was at any time consulted regarding the movie, so all the interactions between my dad and Lonnie and my dad and his church members were made up by people who weren’t there. I am guessing that they did not bother to do the research, which has been published and documented.
BTW, my sister Janette has never picked up a hitchhiker, and never would.
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Here is some more by Chuck Smith Jr. Others were also there so he would be caught if he was lying here –ChuckSmith Junior
Thank you Holland! My dad never washed anyone’s feet, no one left the church when the hippies arrived—in fact, the church was mostly young parents whose children were toddlers or elementary school age. Even before we came to Calvary Chapel it was a mission-driven church. The families that founded it had their first meetings in the clubhouse of a trailer park, because some of the elderly women living there did not have transportation to get to church. When they were told that they could no longer meet there, they found the small white chapel on Church Street in Costa Mesa. Those wonderful people knew of my mom’s burdened heart for the hippies who were either passing through on their way up and down Pacific Coast Highway or else clustered around Main Street in Huntington Beach, Newport, and Laguna. When the hippies arrived at Calvary Chapel, everyone greeted them with open arms. They opened their homes also for Bible studies, that my dad taught two nights a week besides his Sunday night and mid-week Bible study at the church.
For the sake of context, it was after the Six Day war in 1967 when Israel took possession of Jerusalem, that Dad immediately saw its biblical significance as fulfilled prophecy. That is when he first began to give strong emphasis to the “end times” and return of Jesus Christ. Church attendance began increasing at that time, prior to the arrival of Lonnie, John Higgins, and the other pioneers of the communal homes. It was, in fact, an apocalyptic era. This was the first generation to be raised in the shadow of the atomic bomb, practicing air raid drills, and seeing signs for bomb shelters in our schools. Even in California, we felt the threat of the Cuban Missile Crisis. The youth were primed for a message of hope and salvation, peace and love. Dad and Lonnie were opposites in many ways, but they both were deep into the Scriptures and made a great team in the time that they ministered together.
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some more postings concerning Chuck and Lonnie–ChuckSmith Junior
Colleen Salese Ogden , it should be noted that my dad comparing Lonnie to Samson was not a flattering comparison. My dad’s point was that Lonnie had never lived up to his full potential in the Lord’s service. When Connie, who was present, heard that she said in a later interview that she wanted to jump out of her seat and scream at my dad. That wasn’t one of my dad’s finest moments–it is not why one is asked to speak at memorials.
BTW, Phil is very much aware of what my dad said there, because Phil also spoke at Lonnie’s memorial. Prior to that, Phil went with Lonnie to see my dad in his office at CCCM. Lonnie was wanting to reconcile and resolve past hurts. So Phil knows what happened in that meeting and what didn’t happen.
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and yet more —-Robert Norem
I’m glad you said something Holland, There was a lot of errors in the storyline And by the end of it I was disappointed with the inaccuracies in the story line and the unreal character portrayal of Lonnie or Chuck. But it shure made Greg look like a Rockstar. The actors did a great job. My problem was with the script.—– Mark Meizner
ChuckSmith Junior well said Chuck many pastors that I saw the movie with were bothered by the inaccurate characterizing of your father and the overt opposition to the hippies presence.
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John Mushenhouse I suspected that aspect of the movie was false. Would someone from a Pentecostal background be against hippies getting saved? Would church people in the church? It seemed unlikely. Wasn’t the concern about the barefoot feet on the carpet a real comment? That doesn’t mean people would leave over it.
I don’t know if Greg was portrayed as a ‘rock star.’ I thought it was silly that he preached one sermon we couldn’t see, and Chuck gives him the keys to an empty church…. and no ordination, or intermediate steps, etc. It seemed kind of silly. If he preached for an Episcopalian during the Charismatic movement, that explains the turned around collar and calling the man ‘father.’
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People stop what you are thinking.. Realize that the movie was from the Hollywood entertainment factory and it is of the world. 1 John 2:15 Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in them. — 1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world 1 Thess 5:21 test everything. – Quit being gullible sheep led away by every wind of doctrine and due to your love of worldly entertainment. STOP IT NOW. You are embarrassing yourself, the Lord and His word. What will you do when the real deceiver comes or has come as we have already been told of his being like a roaring lion. Matt 10:16 “Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. — I see very little of that as just a bunch of sheep looking to be entertained.
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AS my wife said to me. Calvary Chapel was a group of mission minded loving people who God picked to lead a revival. They opened up their church and their homes to the hippies and look how that movie depicted them. It is the world casting insult on the church. They didn’t deserve that. The foot washing was a slur on the church as they removed the carpet. What church would do that? Few. It is time to see that there is a war going on and the devil is using many things especially the believer’s desire to be entertained instead of being like the Bereans Acts 17:11 . My wife said Greg showed Chuck and Lonnie as human beings faults and all but he showed himself as something and a victim of life both with his family and Chuck. Lonnie left him. Enough of this worldliness. Greg became a baptist when it helped his ministry. Listen to Chuck for yourself and you will see an totally different man than the one Hollywood made a mockery of. Just as the Pharisees did to the blind man in John 8 when they couldn’t discredit his testimony.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCvH9NOTSzw
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Troy Day the camera man who shot that worked for a network as well as a CC member. he said he smoked pot with the prophet Lonnie Frisbee after he caught Lonnie hiding in the bushes smoking pot.
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John Mushenhouse before or after the KK show?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0isnBQEeZU
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LOL was Stan frisbee bias.
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Troy Day 5 minutes of fame for Stan plus new books ($$$$) are out to capitalize on the movie. Stan knows better than to kill the goose which lays the golden eggs. The sad thing is the hippies picked Jesus over worldly wealth and all these charlatans are making money off of them.
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Philip Williams r u saying again frisbee did the pre-cbd? https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-post-that-will-get-you-kicked-out-from-most-christian-apologetic-groups-on-cbd/
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this is more NEWS than THEOLOGY of course in @highlight Junior Beasley Brett Dobbs Duane L Burgess BUT what John Mushenhouse said
It is a fictional work There was no footwashing as Pastor Chuck said remove the carpets. Pastor Chuck’s daughter didn’t, according to Chuck Smith Jr. pick up the hitchhiking Lonnie. Chuckie also said the Smith family was not given any impute and it was Hollywood fiction. It was the retelling of Greg Laurie’s life (by Greg) and even had fiction about him. It is not really the way it was, but many like the sentimental mush. Read Chuck Smith’s book for a better account. The movie was from Hollywood and was for making money. Chuck Smith Jr. spoke on behalf of his family and the statement is on the net. The Smith family didn’t see it as true. Lonnie went to Florida and tried to take over the Shepherding movement. They kicked him out. While married, Lonnie was in sin the entire time. So much was fiction in that movie. Some of us had Chuck Smith as our Pastor and he was more Godly and honest than they showed. It was Greg Laurie’s account. Hollywood.
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@followers Link Hudson Robert Cox Jesse Morrell Philip Williams Link Hudson Neil Steven Lawrence John Mushenhouse Junior Beasley McPherson was the star. Chuck Smith never allowed tongues/prophecies from the floor while preaching and few times in the service, They had an afterglow for that. Pastor Chuck said the Holy Spirit was anointing him and that the Spirit would not interrupt himself. The four square were very classical Pentecostal, but you saw a latter day version when the seekers became prominent as in the CoG and AG. They were legalistic and emotional and big on entertainments as were the other two. Yes I was with CC in the 70s on, but not in CA. I met Chuck through Pastor conferences as I ran a Christian music club and a coffee house with people from CA in another state. I listened to Chuck from the start as well. Chuck just glowed with the love of Jesus. I heard his version of the early movement out of his own mouth and from others. I appreciate Chuck and his concentration on the word. As I got older and turned off by the modern ministries, I go out soul winning and then taught a Bible study. I turned the believers over to local CCs. The Lord blessed with several churches built. I do strictly exegetical studies and bible studies now with my wife as well as going out and witnessing. I have turned my back on the organized religion. I guess you could say i have been faithful to the Jesus revolution. In the past I have Pastored and taught in denominational organizations, but I only saw them as a missionary work. I believe in soul winning and small group gatherings for a meal, study, testifying and prayer. It has gotten harder to refer people to the local churches though. There a few but they are a short distance away.
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I have to AGREE Knowing well the original players and their stray from theology boy or boy the movie was pure and poor Hollywood Bill Singleton @RichardAnna Boyce Joseph D. Absher I believe what seems to be the misunderstanding is the mechanism of salvation.
Salvation is comprised of several actions that ultimately lead to one’s redemption. It’s more of a process than an event. And this is the danger of rushing belief.
Salvation involves the drawing of the Holy Spirit, the opening of our spiritual eyes, repentance, belief in Jesus, receiving the Holy Spirit, etc.
This process may be quicker in one person than it is in another, but, eventually, all will occur. In the case of death bed conversions, all of them may not be seen, but Christ takes care of that in His atonement.
I’m pretty sure if Jesus revealed more about the sinner in Luke 18:13 or allowed the thief on the cross to live, they would have followed Jesus. But He didn’t. What He did give was enough to let us know that God honors a faith that recognizes we cannot save ourselves. And when we finally recognize that (a recognition that comes from the Holy Spirit) He honors that faith and will bring us to Jesus.
Again, salvation is a process that may result in an instantaneous act in one person’s life but may be more lengthy in another’s.
That’s why I don’t sit in judgment of the method, i.e., altar calls or merely sharing the Gospel with people and leaving the results to God.
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what do you mean Roger Lewis just read what Roger David said
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Michael Russ Womack @RW Deese Mike Partyka Wayne Scott Stan Wayne Doyle Rogers @RichardAnna Boyce Pete F. Fiske Jevan Little Daniel J Hesse AND Joseph D. Absher may need to call the guy who lives with his mother – forgetting his name now … Randomlife Topfan