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Junior Beasley | PentecostalTheology.com
Its hard to believe that so many preachers do not understand the Power of the Blood although they sing it every week. The Power of the Blood is a 9 step covenant that God cut with Jesus. Its about being part of that covenant. Most cant even tell you were Jesus cut covenant with God, unless they google it, because somehow they have missed it. I wished more ministers knew it, it would bless them and their Church, being able to really know what that blood stands for, and what all it did…..peace and love.
Kristi Van Eaton
Please explain what you mean by “the 9 step covenant that God cut with Jesus.”
Junior Beasley
When Jesus interceded for Abraham. “Smoldering furnace and the burning lamp”.
Kristi Van Eaton
I am sorry, but this doesn’t explain anything.
Junior Beasley
the 1st step is the exchanging of the robes, outer garment that represents I give my life for yours.
2nd is the exchanging of the belt that represent all power and authority that backs me backs you.
3rd. cut covenant where they cut the animals asunder and stand face to face and walk in a figure 8 throught the pieces and the blood and then come back and stand face to face and swear may worse then this happen to me if I fail to keep my word concerning this covenant.
4 step is the cutting of the wrist and the mingling of the two bloods to form a scar and to mix the blood of the two to form one blood.
5th step exchanging names taking on a portion of each others name abram become Abraham.
6th step came from the fourth make a scar to represent to the world the covenant
7th step set the terms
8th step eat a memorial meal of bread and wine and declare this is my body and my blood.
9th step plant a memorial tree and cover it with the blood of the sacrifice.
And Jesus did all 9.
Junior Beasley
Step one, he took on our sin and we took on his righteousness
step two full armor of God
step 3 He was the sacrifice
step 4 his wrist on the cross, doubting Thomas, also his shed blood applied to our hearts.
step5 him son of man, and we children of God
step 6 Jesus scars on his hands and we are circumcised in the heart
step 7 the Bible
step 8 Last supper
step 9 The Cross.
Junior Beasley
But I encourage all to study this out.
Junior Beasley
Kristi Van Eaton, did any of that help?
Kristi Van Eaton
Yes, I’m not sure I am convinced. But at least now I know what you are saying. Thanks for the clarification.
Junior Beasley
A preacher told me one time many years ago, I gave you a nugget now go dig more up. 🙂
Wayne Sims
Question: When did God cut covenant with Jesus? And I’m gonna need a passage(s) of Scripture for proof.
Junior Beasley
Gen 15:9 And he said unto him, Take me an heifer of three years old, and a she goat of three years old, and a ram of three years old, and a turtledove, and a young pigeon.
Gen 15:10 And he took unto him all these, and divided them in the midst, and laid each piece one against another: but the birds divided he not.
Gen 15:11 And when the fowls came down upon the carcases, Abram drove them away.
Gen 15:12 And when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and, lo, an horror of great darkness fell upon him.
Gen 15:13 And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;
Gen 15:14 And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance.
Gen 15:15 And thou shalt go to thy fathers in peace; thou shalt be buried in a good old age.
Gen 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
Gen 15:17 And it came to pass, that, when the sun went down, and it was dark, behold a smoking furnace, and a burning lamp that passed between those pieces.
Jenny Douglas
I’ve heard this before. What pray tell does it have to do with Myles Munroe’s teaching that it isn’t about Jesus and the blood or the Cross but about Kingdom now?
The clip above and quotes make it clear. He didn’t understand the importance of the blood, not us.
Wayne Sims
That was God making covenant with Abraham. In the custom of the day both parties would pass between the divided pieces as if to say, “let the same thing happen to me (being torn apart) if I break this covenant. The thing out of custom that happened in this passage is that Abraham was in a deep sleep and did not complete the ritual. The covenant was therefore sealed by God alone. Nothing depended on Abraham. Everything depended on God, who promised to be faithful to His covenant. “When God made his promise to Abraham, since there was no one greater for him to swear by, he swore by himself” (Hebrews 6:13-18). Abraham and his descendants could trust, count on, and believe in everything God promised. There is no mention of any covenant between God and Christ.
Wayne Sims
Basically, this was by design. the deep sleep that fell on Abraham would be translated today as he was knocked out.
Jenny Douglas
Amen Wayne. Man could never keep such a covenant, nor pay for his own sins. That’s why the blood of Jesus is so important. We can’t make light of or look to anything but the blood!
Junior Beasley
If the Smoking furnace was God, who do you believe the burning lamp was?
Psa_119:105 NUN. Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.
Whos the Word?
2Sa_22:29 For thou art my lamp, O LORD: and the LORD will lighten my darkness.
Who is the Light of the World who has come into darkness?
Exo_27:20 And thou shalt command the children of Israel, that they bring thee pure oil olive beaten for the light, to cause the lamp to burn always.
Who is the true eternal forever lampstand?
Wayne Sims
Sigh….the term smoking furnace and burning lamp are inclusive. They are descriptive of the same thing, not two separate things. That is why verse 18 states that God cut covenant with ABRAHAM…no one else, and the full weight of the covenant fell upon God Himself.
Junior Beasley
so God and God stood face to face, Okay
Wayne Sims
Hermeneutics Brother…hermeneutics.
DeLane McCurry
As far as I can tell, even though Monroe had some Kingdom Now thoughts, he was not Kingdom Now in his theology; I read his book Rediscovering the Kingdom and there was no Replacement Theology in there that I could see either; there is a lot of taking our rightful places with dominion, but not to the point that we are “little gods.” He may have had some misplaced thoughts, but I just feel to label him a heretic bound for hell was too harsh on a man who talked about the love of Jesus all the time. I’m not saying JWs or Mormons can’t do the same (and I do believe they are heretical), just feel he’s not in that group. I will refrain from any further posts on Munroe. God Bless…
Junior Beasley
Here lays a nugget for some one, if left alone, some one hungry enough will dig it out and find meat, Just teaching someone to fish, that’s all. Love strong.
Wayne Sims
Funny thing about digging for nuggets; if you don’t know what you’re doing, you’re more likely to just find petrified doo doo. 😉
Junior Beasley
Well at least the Apostle new who they were that cut covenant.
Gal 3:17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
How Could God have made a covenant in Christ if Jesus wouldn’t of been there, but oh well believe what you want.
Wayne Sims
Again….context. When Paul wrote that the covenant was confirmed in Christ means that God’s promise was ratified by Christ’s sacrifice, not that God made a covenant with Christ. More than that, the context of the passage was that God’s promises are always kept and are changeless.
Junior Beasley
Alright Wayne believe your own opinion, because your only half way right !! lol
Wayne Sims
Better half-way right than all the way wrong Junior.
DeLane McCurry
I’m still not really following what you disagree on? Sounds like semantics to me.
Wayne Sims
Correct interpretation of a passage within its context is necessary to understanding the foundational principles that the Bible puts forth. Without a firm, correct understanding, it is easy to take the next step from a simple interpretive error to an aberrant or even an heretical theology. This is easy to see in the case of the SDA, the UPC, and the JW’s.
DeLane McCurry
Walter Martin the renowned apologist against Cults, only called the SDA a puzzling mixup and never actually labeled them a cult. Not sure I feel that way about the UPC either. I guess maybe we need to define heresy… in my opinion, heresy in the Marcion sense, robs Jesus of deity, and/or elevates a leader to deity or near deity. And ultimately strips the blood of Jesus from its atoning power. I think we can be in error and still be Christian unless we violate those principles…how do you feel?
Wayne Sims
Wow…a lot of info to cover on how I feel…lol. In short, I didn’t mean to say that the all of the illustrations that I used were cults. JW’s and UPC…yes. The SDA…well, there are some fringe groups that could be considered cults, but, as a whole, the theology is just aberrant. I also feel that one can still be Christian and be wrong, but not on the foundational issues. The only problem comes that without a proper understanding of many of the foundational issues,, then we have a wrong understanding of those issues. For example: Can a Catholic be saved and still be a practicing Catholic? Many would say yes, but I would say no. Obtaining the gift of salvation in the RCC is not the biblical prescription for salvation. It is a salvation based on the works of man, the power of the RCC, and the acceptance of God after the other conditions are met. However, can one be saved in the RCC? Yes. Absolutely, but a truly saved individual will be pulled out of the non-biblical practices that they are participating in because the Holy Spirit will show them that it is not biblical. It is very difficult for me to believe that God will allow one of His children to be His and to remain in an unbiblical atmosphere. It brings me back to that ominous passage of Scripture where Jesus is condemning those false teachers at the judgment by saying that He never knew them. One of the things that has always really struck me deeply in that passage is that the false teachers in question are really surprised that they are present on the wrong side of judgment. That is a sobering reality that I constantly remind myself of when studying, and that I remind others of when I preach and teach. Another thing that I always do is that I do not consider whether someone means well or if their intentions are good when they are promoting a false teaching. It may seem cold and heartless toward the individual, but, when determining the biblical veracity of any teaching, it is judged strictly by the Word, and that is all. What their personal intentions are should be of no consequence as to whether their biblical hermeneutic is sound. I firmly believe that we are now, at this very moment, smack-dab in the middle of the great falling away that is described in 2 Thessalonians chapter 2, and our time is very short. We cannot afford to play patty cake with peddlers of man-cantered theology. Well Brother, that’s my 2 cents worth on the subject anyway! Lol.
DeLane McCurry
That’s a good thought about the Holy Spirit leading you out. I have often said that I truly believe someone could be sincerely saved while attending a JW church. How that translates later on down the road may be that as you said, the Holy Spirit will guide them toward the truth. Good stuff…
Kristi Van Eaton
Yes, Bro. Wayne! It doesn’t matter how good one’s intentions are. If their teachings do not line up with scripture, they will have a rude awakening. As they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions! We must preach Christ and Him crucified. We must preach the FULL gospel of Jesus Christ and redeem the time, for our days are short!
Wayne Sims
Yes sir….in God’s time. We have a few former JW’s and Mormons in my area. They have some awesome stories (testimony wise), and many of them begin with them searching the Bible for themselves.
Wayne Sims
Also…I know that I’m hard on the purveyors of extra-biblical and non-biblical doctrines, but I’m equally that hard on myself. When I step into the pulpit, or behind a lectern to teach, I feel a very real weight of responsibility on my shoulders, and I take it extremely seriously. I have told people that (because of all the years of military and police training) I have mastered the ability to take a quick precise head-shot on someone who has a hostage in front of them. I would be less nervous about taking that shot and whizzing a supersonic slug less than an inch from an innocent’s head than I am about teaching something from the Bible wrongly. Maybe it’s because of the years of running from God, being involved in paganism and witchcraft, and even being a confirmed atheist for a while, but I’m always looking at the choices that I make now as eternal. Also, the consequences of what I preach and teach are eternal. I would rather take a whipping from God at the end of it all for being too hard than for being too soft (in a doctrinal sense). If I am to err, let it be on the side of caution. Lol…you’ve known me since I was a kid DeLane; I just got worse after I left Warrior…lol,
Chad Burns
Actually Dr martin didn’t label the SDA as a cult because their official stance wasn’t concrete as being cultic but he DID issue a warning that if more reform wasn’t made that in later years they would definitely be defined as a cult. So that’s a group that needs a fresh evaluation, perhaps with more interrogation as to why they don’t disassociate the aberrant groups from the denomination.
Idk where Myles munroe stood on the essentials because I can’t find a doctrinal statement anywhere concerning him. Not at his website at least. I will say this. Kingdom now/dominionist/postmillenial theology was his theology. Replacement theology is found is amillennialism and post millennialism.
Wayne Sims is dead on about hermeneutics and context. Junior Beasley would do good to study hermeneutics because without hermeneutics and exegesis the bible says “Judas went and hung himself… go thou and do likewise…” I’m rather disturbed that junior would call scripture “Wayne’s opinion” all Wayne did was look at the context of scripture to see whats being said. In essence it’s a denial of the authority of scripture. It’s God’s word. Not Wayne’s. To twist the scripture leads to destruction and that’s what happens when eisegesis is employed. Eisegesis is what junior was doing. Reading into scripture what wasn’t there. Wayne practiced exegesis, taking what’s IN scripture and bring in it out. Kudos Wayne!
Kristi Van Eaton
This may be off topic, but y’all mentioned Seventh Day Adventist. I have a neighbor who is the pastor of a SDA church and we have become friends. I was trying research what their doctrine is and how it compares/contrasts to our doctrine. I haven’t been able to really find anything. Can y’all please point me in the right direction?
Wayne Sims
http://carm.org/seventh-day-adventism
Chad Burns
Kristi Van Eaton may I inbox you a link to a PDF to download kingdom of the cults by Dr. Walter martin? It has a chapter on the SDA. Also if you search for “Walter martin seventh day adventists” on YouTube you’ll find about 10-15 hours of material of Dr. Walter martin dealing with them.
Kristi Van Eaton
That would be great! Thank you!!!
Chad Burns
Yup. I in boxed it to u. Download it quick. I’ll post it here for anyone else who wants it.
http://servantofmessiah.org/wp-content/uploads/downloads/2011/08/Kingdom-of-the-Cults-by-Walter-Martin.pdf
Wayne Sims
Kingdom of the Cults is a must have for any theology library.
Jenny Douglas
Frances Swaggart has a DVD on SDA teaching as well as RCC, Mormons, JW and Free Masonry. All very informative.
Kristi Van Eaton
Thank you Jenny! I use a lot of publications from JSM. One thing about JSM is that you don’t have to worry about the Word of God being compromised.
Jenny Douglas
True and Mike Muzerall is an expert on cults. He does most of it on all but the one on Masons.
Chad Burns
I haven’t heard of the SDA one from Frances. I know the one on the rcc relied on Alexander hysslop’s book the 2 babylons which was refuted and exposed as lies. But I’d like to see the one on the SDA. The one on Mormons and jw’s was done by mike muzerall on Frances’ program. He got all his info from kingdom of the cults.
Jenny Douglas
Considering Mike was a former Catholic I really don’t think he gave out erroneous information and he teaches cults at the school. I will ask him about that particular book. Jim is very knowledgeable as well. The info I’ve read on RCC lined right up with it.
They did all of them on her program and the DVDs are of the program on those subjects.