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IS THERE a distinction between Israel and the Church
and if so what is it? Stan Wayne
Ricky Grimsley [01/30/2016 9:06 AM]
I think romans 11 explains that we are not israel. We are all different branches with the same “root”
John Kissinger [01/30/2016 9:11 AM]
Stan Wayne [01/30/2016 9:48 AM]
Basic Grammatical Historical Interpretation of scripture yields an Israel that was the people of God who had unconditional physical land, Kingdom and monarch promises.
When the majority rejected their King the people of God became the body of Christ composed of Jews and Gentiles.
However unbelieving Israel with land, kingdom and future king and future expectation of coming to belief in the Land persists.
Israel has land – the Church has no land.
Stan Wayne [01/30/2016 10:00 AM]
“Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written, “The Deliverer will come from Zion, he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”; “and this will be my covenant with them when I take away their sins.” As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.”
Romans 11:25-29 ESV
Ricky Grimsley [01/30/2016 10:01 AM]
I personally believe now that the opposite is true. Blindness is coming on the gentiles that israel can be saved.
Stan Wayne [01/30/2016 10:13 AM]
“And I will establish my covenant between me and you and your offspring after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your offspring after you. And I will give to you and to your offspring after you the land of your sojournings, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession, and I will be their God.””
Genesis 17:7-8 ESV
Stan Wayne
Good grief: did you ever hear of Israel speaking in tongues or being the Body of Christ, or being something that Jesus “WILL” build in 33 AD???
“And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.”
Matthew 16:18 ESV
Varnel Watson
Did you even watch the video, read the article or just trump-ing?
Stan Wayne
I have studied the Church Israel distinction off and on for 45 years and I am at the place of :
“so that we may no longer be children, tossed to and fro by the waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by human cunning, by craftiness in deceitful schemes.”
Ephesians 4:14 ESV
And :
“… having done all, to stand firm. Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, …,”
Ephesians 6:13-14 ESV
Varnel Watson
What place would that be? IS THERE a distinction between Israel and the Church or not? Tell us directly pls