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Is the trans-gender “phenomenon” a demonic confusion?
Charles Page [08/25/2015 1:59 PM]
it is a cultural, social dysfunctional phenomenon
John Kissinger [08/25/2015 2:18 PM]
but is it #DEMONIC?
Charles Page [08/25/2015 2:18 PM]
No
Charles Page [08/25/2015 2:19 PM]
isn’t that what you want me to say … then you can retort!
John Kissinger [08/25/2015 2:21 PM]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POCngEpkOLI
Peyton Gurley [08/25/2015 2:38 PM]
It may demonic influences but it is confusion. Not everything comes from the devil. There is a thing called flesh. People develop ideologies from life circumstances and influences but it doesn’t necessarily mean they have a demon.
John Kissinger [08/25/2015 2:39 PM]
http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/?s=demons
Jeffrey D. Madison [08/25/2015 5:13 PM]
lol, yes!
Wade T. Foster [08/25/2015 5:15 PM]
It is all of the above and just plain STUPID!
Wade T. Foster [08/25/2015 5:17 PM]
Jeffrey D. Madison [08/25/2015 5:29 PM]
Yes it is demonic confusion, but it’s roots are planted in the soil of internet porn. Take away internet porn and the number of people who call themselves homosexual or transgender will go down. Furthermore, this is also caused by the degradation of the American family. If families had values that stood against this sort of thing it would be a non issue. Church=values
John Ruffle [08/25/2015 6:08 PM]
Demonically masterminded, I don’t see confusion though.
Marc Alfano [08/25/2015 6:34 PM]
All sin is demonic in a sense.
“You are of your father the devil, and want to do his deeds, when he speaks a lie he speaks of his own nature because he is a liar and the father of lies.”
Henry Volk [08/25/2015 8:44 PM]
http://lutherandifference.blogspot.com/2015/08/427-dealing-with-gender-dysphoria.html
Mike Ringgold [08/25/2015 11:01 PM]
Yes
Cindy Fox [09/07/2015 9:22 AM]
In a word…yes !!!!!!
David Lewayne Porter
Well if it is not from God (and it isn’t), then there is only one other source. – no matter how it manifest, there are only 2 sources.
Charles Page
It comes from perverted sinful imaginations -products of sinful hearts
David Lewayne Porter
Placed in their hearts and distorted by the father of lies – satan, lucifer, the devil.
Vlad Stepanov
Identity crisis. Children are not taught who they are and what their purpose is.
Gilberto Rosado
David Lewayne Porter Then you are including God as one of the sources?
David Lewayne Porter
Yes, God is the first (original) genuine (authentic) creative source.
Anything else (anything untrue – twisted) is from satan.
Gilberto Rosado
How about the Spirit of Error? Isaiah 19:14, 2 Thessalonians 2:11
Charles Page
The LORD hath mingled a perverse spirit in the midst thereof: and they have caused Egypt to err in every work thereof, as a drunken man staggereth in his vomit.
Not a demon but a (feminine) spiritual attitude of delusion
David Lewayne Porter
And where does the spirit of error come from?
God, no. Then satan.
In God is light, good & perfect gifts, no shadow of turning or variableness.
No guile or deceit.
You see Gilberto, you do err.
In Isaiah it is a (delusional) spirit – show me the spirit of error, if you want to truly examine words.
2 Thessalonians, 2:11
Strong delusion – where did it say it was a spirit?
Let’s read it in context – the preceeding verses on which this one builds says….
“2 Thessalonians 2:9-10
Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.”
Notice it is “”whose working is after the working if satan””,,
but let’s continue –
“with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.” – – –
All of this after satan’s character – not God’s.. why,
Because James 1:12-18
Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him. Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man: But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. Do not err, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning. Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.””
** God does not set evil before us, it is satan and his angels.
(Lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil).
? Where did Job’s temptation come from? God allowed it due to the fall of man and satan legally being the accuser of the brethren.
Notice in James he said ((do not err my beloved brethren)) – there is your err(or).
Let’s get back to 2 thes 2…12
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
And continuing. …
2 Thessalonians 2:13-14
But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ…
God’s desire is to give us truth and light unto salvation. (He gives truth, light, life).
But He must allow the err & delusion, in addition to us being allowed to follow our own will, desires, lust, and temptations.
satan has his angels – spirits because of the rebellion in heaven.
God’s angels are for one purpose under Grace since Calvary
(Hebrews 1:13-14
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?)..
God sends His Spirits to [[minister]].
So,
Where do you get that God sends His spirits to deceive, pervert, and twist mankind (since) Calvary?
As a matter of fact He said that He simply does this to mankind….
Romans 1 verses 18 and following….
God simply
Gave
Them
Up.
Gilberto Rosado
Simply, God is Sovereign. God is Omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient. There is no “space” for anything outside of Him.
But to further exercise: How about Job?
Gilberto Rosado
You say that “God allowed it DUE to the fall of man” – but we are all speaking about things AFTER the fall of man. If God “allowed” it then, He “allows” it now.
If someone “allows” something, isn’t that authority?
Even though, God does NOT tempt us, He does ALLOW it.
And how do you disqualify the “Spirit of Error” as being an agent involved in the OP? Especially given that most of your argument is based on instruction to the church and, therefore, the Saints. The OP is not referring to a phenomenon suffered by the Saints – is it?
David Lewayne Porter
Ok
Gilberto
Where do you say the spirit behind (Transgenderism) comes from?
You brought into question (a)
Spirit of error…
Show me that in the Word.
(Not a twisting and play on words as you are trying to do).
And you asked about the spirit of “”error”” – I am guessing as a source other than the (two) I originally mentioned, God or satan.
I stand by my statements.
Especially on only two sources.
Here is a question for you,
Is lying figured in under being in error?
Lying is not being correct.
So then lying would be error.
So then
This verse fits
John 8:44
Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Now how does John 8:44 fit the original post?
They have bought a lie in believing that they are Transgendered.
So then who are they believing, the spirit of (error) or the father of lies?
I hope that answers your two latest posted comments/questions.
Varnel Watson
Perhaps David Arthur can answer this for us
Jeffry Woolston
Absolutely!
Diana Kay Miller Sheek
It is of the devil, that is for sure.
Varnel Watson
The devil made them do it? William DeArteaga
Diana Kay Miller Sheek
The devil has entered them and possessed them. And society keeps indulging them to think this is okay and approved by God. God did not make them this way. He created a perfect person, it is the devil that has brought in imperfection.
Benjamin C Bratvogel
We are doing just fine sinning with out the Devil….man is inherently evil. This certainly is not of God and calling God a liar, saying we they know better than God, and that God makes mistakes…Christian or not i beleave transgenderism is the Ultima blasphemy against the Spirit. For a church to become PC and allow a transgender deacon…is the whore of Babylon leading the church astray.