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Ricky Grimsley | PentecostalTheology.com
Is it a common occurrence for people who begin to embrace “hebrew roots” movements to begin to deny the deity of Christ? #helpme Tom Steele
Charles Page
that’s been my observation.
Tom Steele
There are extremists in every movement when you study Church history. I don’t know about people denying the deity of Christ, but if you study early Pentecostal teachings there were certainly some real whack-a-doodle things being said, many probably crossing the line into heresy.
Tom Steele
Alan N Carla Smith
Ricky Grimsley
Well this situation kinda breaks my heart. I just dont see how people devolve back into “jesus was just a created being and not God” stuff.
Tom Steele
I do believe I have heard Oneness Pentecostals deny the deity of Christ as well. Seems like denial of the Trinity often leads down that path. I think the confusion comes from the Scriptural fact that there is ONE God, and even Yeshua called His Father to be His God, but that doesn’t take away from the deity of Yeshua the Messiah. A lot of times false doctrines are merely the result of confusion or a misinterpretation of Scripture.
Gilberto Rosado
Tom Steele Brother, you’re too gracious ignoring the elephant in the room!
Tom Steele
What elephant? Maybe I wasn’t clear enough in my initial post, but I don’t recall having come across any teacher adhering to what people are labeling “Hebrew Roots” who deny the deity of Yeshua. I would not be surprised as there are fringe groups in every doctrinal view, as I said. What is being called Hebrew Roots is really nothing more than people actually reading their Bibles and doing what their Bibles actually say to do. so, to answer the question more directly, no, I am not aware of it being a common occurrence for people following what has been labeled as Hebrew Roots to deny the deity of Yeshua. Some of the major Pentecostal preachers and teachers that are moving along this line are Rod Parsley, Larry Huch and Perry Stone. I have never heard any of them deny the deity of the Messiah or teach anything to suggest that. Other ministries not as well known but that I find have great teachings are Pastor Scott Hillman with River of Praise in Tennessee and Pastor Matthew Vander Els with Founded in Truth. If you look at them and what they teach, you will get a good sense of what Hebrew Roots is really all about. If there are people denying the deity of Christ they are certainly not mainstream.
I am reminded of the Freewill Baptists who, to my knowledge, are the only Baptist denomination who do not adhere to the Calvinist view of eternal security. They are a fringe group in that denomination. In this case, they are the ones who are right in my opinion, but it shows that there are fringes on the outskirts of a majority. In some cases those fringe groups are right about the one thing the majority if wrong about, in other cases they are embracing heretical views not shared by the mainstream.
Does this answer the question to everyone’s liking?
Ricky Grimsley
Well i actually heard perry stone say jesus was created, but that wasnt hebrew related. This post wasnt meant meant to be derogatory. That is why i tagged you. It just seems (from outside looking in) that this is returning to Judaism at its purest form.
Tom Steele
It’s returning to the Bible, at its purest form.
Tom Steele
And, derogatory is not too far of from ignorance.
Ricky Grimsley
My ignorance is only in my interaction with these followers and not in what the bible says. Even at “returning to the bible in its purest form” there are still aspects of the law that people wont keep because they seem unreasonable in today’s culture. People arent blowing the flames out and not using electricity on the sabbath. How many people make it to jerusalem on the feast days. How many people build borders on their roof to keep people from falling off. Will we start requiring circumcision at baptism?
Charlie Robin
GOD is not ignorant. He knows the future and all things
Charles Page
God knows the future and all things but chooses to be ignorant.
Ricky Grimsley
This thread isnt about open theism. I have never said that God is ignorant. God knows all things that can be known.
Tom Steele
While the question was asked as a side comment, I will provide a series of teachings from an Assemblies of God Pastor on the Book of Galatians. The Pastor has stated in an open request that he will take time to listen to anyone’s opinions about the Book if they will take the time to listen to his messages on it. I will share his information after posting the four messages in the series. This is the first one: http://riverofpraisefellowship.com/2016/09/29/galatians-part-1/
Tom Steele
http://riverofpraisefellowship.com/2016/10/01/galatians-part-2/
Tom Steele
http://riverofpraisefellowship.com/2016/10/11/galatians-part-3/
Tom Steele
http://riverofpraisefellowship.com/2016/10/13/galatians-part-4/
Tom Steele
Pastor Scott Hillman is the Pastor of River of Praise AoG in Tennessee. Here is his FB page, he will accept your friend request and will discuss this topic and any others with you. https://www.facebook.com/scott.hillman.35
Ricky Grimsley
Well ill give it a listen, but does it really take five hours to make the case?
Tom Steele
He’s a Pastor, what do you expect? Pastors tend to get long-winded. Besides that, there are commentaries on books of the Bible that are a lot lengthier than a Pastor’s series on a book of the Bible.
Charles Page
Is there a listener’s digests?
Charlie Robin
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Ricky Grimsley
So far from the videos i see the same circular reasoning i am used to. Just because Paul kept still kept the feasts doesnt mean they are obligatory. It was his culture from birth. He still enjoyed it. Its not like Paul shaved his beard and started raising pigs. When he talks about paul telling the corinthians to “keep the feast” i dont see where you can infer that Paul is referring the jewish feasts but more to the lords supper as in chapter 11
Tom Steele
Well, like I said, he is willing to listen to counter-arguments to what he is teaching. What I do know is that he was called before the AoG board to answer questions about the direction he is going, including switching services to the real Sabbath Day, and he is still in good standing with the denomination. That kinda says something, in my opinion. I think some of you guys in this group should really consider hitting him up, since he probably has better credentials than what you guys seem to think I have.