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Peter A Vandever | PentecostalTheology.com
Let me ask you one question: If the same Holy Spirit lived in Smith Wigglesworth lives in you, why can He not manifest the same miracle anointing through you? If you are willing, the Holy Spirit is willing. I know that much for sure. Just step out and walk on the water with Jesus in your measure of faith.
Tom Steele [10/02/2015 8:10 PM]
I have been serving and sitting under the ministry of Pastor Rod Parsley since 2001. I studied at his Bible College between 2001 and 2003. As many who follow Rod Parsley’s ministry may know, he served Lester Sumrall and recognized him as his own Pastor for about 15 years until Sumrall die. Sumrall, of course, always recognized Wigglesworth as perhaps one of his own greatest mentors and spiritual fathers. Parsley today is generally recognized by all major leaders within Pentecostal circles that are connected to him as having a spiritual lineage that goes Wigglesworth, Sumrall, Parsley.
I have heard many times over the years Pastor Parsley speak on what Wiggesworth did, the mighty miracles, raising the dead, and so on. HOWEVER, Pastor Parsley also tells us often that Wiggeslworth refused to allow any publication other than the Bible into his home, how he spent time with God by reading the Bible 30 minutes, praying 30 minutes, reading 30 minutes, praying 30 minutes, all day long, and how he would obey the Scripture strictly.
I read an account of Wigglesworth being asked to pray over a meal set at a banquet where pork was being served and he blurted out, “God, if you can bless what you have cursed, then bless this filthy swine.” He was later asked if he was going to have a piece of the pork and he said that he never touches it.
Pastor Parsley often gives one of his most powerful quotes when he shares accounts of those who have gone before us like Wigglesworth: “We don’t do what they did because we don’t do what they did!”
If you want to operate in the power of what Wigglesworth did, you need to submit to God in the manner that Wigglesworth did. Those not willing to study like he did, pray like he did, obey God’s Laws like he did, will never operate in the faith that he did.
Peter A Vandever [10/02/2015 8:13 PM]
Smith Wigglesworth…. Rod doesnt seem as strong on jmpartation as he used to be 🙁
Charles Page [10/02/2015 8:18 PM]
lot of religious bull here!!! 😉
Tom Steele [10/02/2015 8:18 PM]
In all the years I have been with Pastor Parsley I have watched him operate as the Spirit guides him. He moves in waves, and I have seen that. There are times when God moves strongly through him in the area of impartation, and other times when God moves in other ways. There was a season a few years ago when he was so consumed with God’s love that it was all he could talk about. It was a much needed message for the body, especially from a man known for his strong stance for righteousness. One of the reasons I am confident in the revival movement toward embracing the roots of our faith from God’s Torah is because of Pastor Parsley’s teachings in recent years, it is much stronger in that area.
Peter A Vandever [10/02/2015 8:22 PM]
I expect he will get very strong on healing 🙂 I wont say more as I am not sure how much is “public”
Stan Wayne [10/02/2015 9:52 PM]
There is such a thing as healing as a gifting – Smith had it not everybody does
Peter A Vandever [10/02/2015 11:26 PM]
You need to study more 🙂
Peter A Vandever [10/03/2015 4:52 AM]
Smith is the Apostolic leadership we need 🙂
Jim Kingsnorth [10/03/2015 6:22 AM]
Smith Wigglesworth gave up his life for the gospel. If you want that kind of power, pay the price. If your reading this on facebook, you are not paying the price.
Stan Wayne [10/03/2015 9:55 AM]
I like smith w – used to read everything about him and interview old timers who saw him – the way he died was most poignant – I also like that his definition of faith was not the wof variety
Peter A Vandever [10/04/2015 2:54 AM]
He was one of the core foundation that become the Faith movement. His spiritual son was Lester Summerall that was a major leader in the faith movement.
Stan Wayne [10/04/2015 8:03 AM]
Smith however was not WOF – Lester Sumrall – many ex AG or Pentecostal Holiness figures like him came close to WOF but people like Sumrall and Roberts Kathryn Kuhlman and Schamback and AA Allen and TL Osborn preceded the influence of Kenyon/Hagin spoken word ideology.
Smith Wigglesworth is completely unrelated to the Kenyon ideology.
Rev. Dick Morris [10/04/2015 11:47 AM]
Jim, maybe you’re not paying the price by putting it on Facebook.
Stan Wayne [10/04/2015 2:36 PM]
Tom – I don’t know how young or old you are but if you listened to the Wigglesworth/ Osborn/ Kuhlman/ Aimee Mcphereson Pentecostalism versus Hagin popularized Kenyonism the flavor of “power of tongue” teaching in both is completely different. In one the concept is a creative force delegated to and exercised by the believer – in the other it is the expression of faith through gifting that moves the Holy Spirit to heal a la “the power of the Lord was present to heal” or “the Spirit moved”.
They are different animals. With Kenyon you almost don’t need prayer. With Wigglesworth you do.
Peter A Vandever [10/04/2015 9:26 PM]
TL Osborn was very much WOF. You act like being faith filled is a bad thing? I will take faith over fear anyday.
Charles Page [10/04/2015 9:31 PM]
is T L Lowery WOF?
Charles Page [10/04/2015 9:33 PM]
WOF is where the money is now! getting rich off seed faith giving.
Peter A Vandever [10/04/2015 9:47 PM]
TL was very word of faith. I spend quite a bit of time with him.
Peter A Vandever [10/04/2015 9:47 PM]
Sorry, TL Osborn, not lowery.
Stan Wayne [10/05/2015 5:59 AM]
Yes TL did go that way at the end like so many – it became orthodoxy in Oklahoma
Stan Wayne [10/05/2015 6:03 AM]
Faith and wof “faith” are two different animals – one is a human ginning something up with words, the other is a gift in response to a seeking soul as in the similar salvation faith:
“For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,”
Ephesians 2:8 NKJV
Peter A Vandever [10/05/2015 6:12 AM]
you are one of those types…. sorry, I am not going to be a fear preacher!
Peter A Vandever [10/05/2015 6:13 AM]
TL Osborn didnt the gospel of poverty as long as I knew him!
Stan Wayne [10/05/2015 6:24 AM]
Peter – my taxable income last year was $286K and I deny the prosperity gospel of wof is anything more than Christian Science infiltrating Pentecostalism
Charismatic Theology [12/14/2015 4:34 AM]
If you want to grow in the area of dreams and visions, the gifts of the Holy Spirit and especially discerning of spirits, then your wait is over. Listening, waiting and watching are keys to growth in the things of the Holy Spirit. The following Scripture exemplifies the content in this book: For from days of old they have not heard or perceived by ear, nor has the eye seen a God besides You, who acts in behalf of the one who waits for Him. Isaiah 64:4
David Lewayne Porter
Exactly.
Wigglesworth said, “God is more willing to give, than we are to ask”.
Mary Ellen Nissley
I had a dream a year or two ago that I shall never forget… there were many parts to this dream, but the most unforgettable was this:
I was on a long curving stairway, that climbed about 10 stories high, on the side of a steep mountain. At the top of this stairway was a round saucer-shaped “Garden of God” where one could meet God face to face, and commune as God created us for.
It was a very high and holy place, and each could only enter alone, accompanied by any other person.
The stair way was very crowded. There was a lot of jockeying for position. And there was a lot of socializing, making friends, and fooling around. Groups stood together, having fun, and not making much progress.
On the one side of this staircase was a steep drop-off, and the closer one got to the garden, the more dangerous it became.
But on the other edge of the stairs, was a handrail, and a solid brick wall. Staying close to that wall, and holding tight to the handrail was the safest way, and the easiest way to make progress. Most people weren’t doing much of either.
Finally, I got to the top, and looked over into the Garden. And, surprisingly, it was empty! But there was one person ahead of me, and that person wasn’t moving very fast about getting himself over in that Garden. He was sitting on the edge, one foot in, and one foot out, taking his good old time. It was my pastor. And he was in my way. I couldn’t get in, until he did.
I turned around and socialized until he moved. Suddenly, I felt he had moved, and turning around, I saw he was gone. And then I saw him over on the other side, sitting on a bench, alone with God.
It was my turn.
And then I saw it. There was a frightening gap between the staircase, and the edge of the Garden of God. The Garden was round, and the staircase was squared off at top. You could see ten stories straight down. And I have a height phobia.
I got sick on my stomach, and turned away. I felt I just couldn’t take it. I could die, doing this!
And I said out loud, “I’m going back down.”
Suddenly, as soon as I said it, several others chimed in, saying, “I’ll go with you!”
We grabbed that handrail, and slipped and slid our way back down. Boy, that ride was a thrill! Lots of fun.
And then I woke up.
And God immediately gave me the interpretation of the dream.
The wall was Christ. And the circle and the stairs met at the wall. If I keep my eyes on Christ, I can, by faith, step over into a rare and close fellowship with Him. Most people draw back from actually stepping over. Many pastors hinder their churches, by not leading them all the way into the presence of the Most Holy. They straddle the edge, not fully committing themselves.
There is an place with God that most Christians think they want but are unwilling to step into. Truly committing to it is very frightening to the flesh. It feels like death. It is also a very lonely place, where we leave certain things, very dear things, behind. One who walks that close with God chooses a very lonely path.
“If any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.”
David Lewayne Porter
I love that.
May I use it from time to time?
Mary Ellen Nissley
Of course.
Varnel Watson
Timothy Carter Timothy Ross Good answer to our talk yesterday
Varnel Watson
read an account of Wigglesworth being asked to pray over a meal set at a banquet where pork was being served and he blurted out, “God, if you can bless what you have cursed, then bless this filthy swine.” He was later asked if he was going to have a piece of the pork and he said that he never touches it.
Philip Williams
Maybe this man of faith was lacking in his understanding of the New Covenant.
Varnel Watson
dual covenant again? – what was his deal?