Pentecostal Theology [02/20/2015 2:34 PM] The success of relevance ( relation to the matter at hand) could only be judged by whom you’ve been relevant to. So if the pastor of the largest church in North America is irrelevant, why even worry about relevance instead of just preaching the Biblical truth?
Michael Postlethwait [02/20/2015 2:42 PM] Because context is a part of the message itself. For example, preaching a sermon similar to the classic “Sinner’s in the Hands of an Angry God”, (which for the record Edwards read in a low voice monotone), may in fact be relevant some Sundays in your church, but to do so in a funeral would be a likely misrepresentation of the heart of God — despite the truth it contains.
Luchen Bailey [02/20/2015 2:48 PM] One thing I remember in my speach class in college.” Stand up, Speak up, and SHUT UP.”
Pentecostal Theology [02/20/2015 2:52 PM] Relevance is temporary therefore obsolete. Only the Bible is an absolute!
Luchen Bailey [02/20/2015 2:52 PM] “If you don’t strike oil in 20 minutes, quit BORING”
Pentecostal Theology [02/20/2015 2:55 PM] Alan N Carla Smith Bill Coble Dr. George D. Voorhis used to say something like this to young preachers: “1. When you preach, tell me something new (which was pretty difficult since he had 6 higher degrees) 2. If you cannot tell me something new, then entertain me 3. If you cannot do none of the above, just sit down”
Michael Postlethwait [02/20/2015 2:57 PM] A proper use of truth is never irrelevant However, the Pharisees loved truth with little concern for its practical application.
Michael Postlethwait [02/20/2015 2:59 PM] Our love for truth must not be allowed to blind us to He who is The Truth!
Pentecostal Theology [02/20/2015 3:01 PM] Charles Page Dennis Purvis Luchen Bailey F.J. May was perhaps the greatest teacher of preachers
Charles Page [02/20/2015 3:30 PM] was one of my favorites grow up!
Timothy Carter [05/26/2015 9:55 PM] Yes there is an appropriate amount of time for length of the sermon. How long should my sermon be? Well we find that answer out in the text. “Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.” We are not going to reach people. By giving our opinion. We are not going to reach people by repeating ourselves. We will reach people by preaching the Word and the Word alone.
When Holy Spirit leads you to select a passage of scripture. The link of the sermon is built right in there.
The average Sunday morning sermon across America in Protestant and evangelical churches is 25-40 minutes long. So if you try to pace yourself to close at 30 minutes including your alter invite, you will be within the average range.
Our preacher preached good. About the time he needs to. We go past 12: Sometimes. But usually it great alter services that make it longer. I love good preaching. But I love good alter services too.
The very notion of “preachers preaching too long” does not fit any Biblical paradigm in which the Church is entrusted to preach the Everlasting Gospel till the end of times. Even more so, the notion of a congregational approval/acceptance of the length of a sermon or if the Message of Life is relevant to a reprobate mind is simply extraneous to the Scripture. http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-very-notion-of-preachers-preaching-too-long/
I asked a minister friend to visit a new church years ago. Turns out they were having a “prophet.” He took 2 hours taking up the offering. No kidding. It was embarrassing. He hid it pretty good but I think he was a little mad. Got to watch these special speakers with their accommodations and wind.
Long worship, long preaching, long offerings, long altar call, and a bunch of people we are not sure why they are at the mic talking long sums it about up
Timothy Carter [05/26/2015 9:55 PM] Yes there is an appropriate amount of time for length of the sermon. How long should my sermon be? Well we find that answer out in the text. “Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.” We are not going to reach people. By giving our opinion. We are not going to reach people by repeating ourselves. We will reach people by preaching the Word and the Word alone.
Varnel Watson
Michael Ellis Carter Jr. Terry Wiles 2 of your members sent us this
Terry Wiles
Lol. I don’t think so. They want to hear more.
Varnel Watson
since you are preaching once a year now 🙂
Louise Cummings
Our preacher preached good. About the time he needs to. We go past 12: Sometimes. But usually it great alter services that make it longer. I love good preaching. But I love good alter services too.
Varnel Watson
grandma Louise that’s because you ant heard Michael Ellis yet
Michael Ellis Carter Jr.
? ??? my church is usually happy when I get up and since I preach two locations they know I want be up to long ?most times
Varnel Watson
Joe Absher we got to visit that church and put things in perspectives
Michael Ellis Carter Jr.
Troy Day you will be disappointed
Varnel Watson
not gonna be my first time
Louise Cummings
How could I hear him. I see him on face book. But it doesn’t pick up a message.
Varnel Watson
The very notion of “preachers preaching too long” does not fit any Biblical paradigm in which the Church is entrusted to preach the Everlasting Gospel till the end of times. Even more so, the notion of a congregational approval/acceptance of the length of a sermon or if the Message of Life is relevant to a reprobate mind is simply extraneous to the Scripture. http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-very-notion-of-preachers-preaching-too-long/
Michael Ellis Carter Jr.
Yeah but we want to leave the falling asleep and tumbling out of windows legacy to Paul
Joe Absher
I asked a minister friend to visit a new church years ago. Turns out they were having a “prophet.” He took 2 hours taking up the offering. No kidding. It was embarrassing. He hid it pretty good but I think he was a little mad. Got to watch these special speakers with their accommodations and wind.
Varnel Watson
I;ve been in a service where the father of holy laughter did the same thing. Twice – yes, 4-5 hr service
Joe Absher
I don’t know if I could do that.
Terry Wiles
Ive been in services out of the country where I show up an hour late because I know the music will continue for an hour after I arrive.
Varnel Watson
excuses; in Pentecostalism we call the music worship Michael Ellis Carter Jr.
Michael Ellis Carter Jr.
Long worship, long preaching, long offerings, long altar call, and a bunch of people we are not sure why they are at the mic talking long sums it about up
Louise Cummings
I love good Worship
Terry Wiles
Troy Day Not all of us do all of the time
Louise Cummings
I know God gave us many responsibilities. Some joyful and some hard. But I will rejoice in all God gave us to do.
Louise Cummings
What I’m saying is This is the Day the Lord has made. I will rejoice and be glad in it. I’ll have to look up where it is written later.
Robert Erwine
people can sit through a two hour movie , why can’t they sit through a two hour service ?
Louise Cummings
Amen. I rather be in Church than be at a movie. It has to be something outstanding for me to go to a movie. Like the Blood Moons.
Varnel Watson
Ricky Grimsley I would sit through a 3-hour Perry sermon and still want more when its over