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EVANGELICAL FEMINISM AND BIBLICAL TRUTH
856 pages. This book complements the materials found in Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood by providing detailed answers to multiple objections that were raised in the thirteen years of intensive discussion and debate from 1991 to 2004.
Egalitarians, or evangelical feminists, consider men’s and women’s roles in the home and church to be interchangeable. In this helpful book, Bible scholar Wayne Grudem considers over a hundred egalitarian arguments and finds them contrary to the Bible. According to Grudem, the Bible teaches that God values men and women equally. However, their roles in home and church are complementary to each other, not interchangeable. Arguing against both feminism on the left and male chauvinism on the right, his carefully researched handbook is a valuable resource defending the complementarian viewpoint.
John Kissinger [03/26/2015 2:55 AM]
Interview with Wayne Grudem, author of EVANGELICAL FEMINISM AND BIBLICAL TRUTH
Varnel Watson
Has anyone read this book? Wondering if it has any Pentecostal views in it. It was included over the weekend as a Christian response to a female-president candidature
Mary Ellen Nissley
following John Kissinger’s link, I found an interview with the author of this book. In that interview, he says this:
“I regularly teach that in previous generations I think it was much more common for men to devalue the importance of their wives and their great wisdom and insight in every life situation…”
Now, how can you say that, and also believe the literal interpretation of I Timothy 2:12-14?
This passage seems to say that women are easily deceived, and that is the reason they must be under male leadership.
Yet, if that position is true, then how can a husband value his wife’s “great wisdom and insight in every life situation”?
Charles Page
A wife has to choose if she is a helpmeet or a helpmate!
Mary Ellen Nissley
elaborate, please. I don’t find “helpmate” in the Bible. In fact, I don’t even find “helpmeet” as all one word.
Charles Page
2nd chapter genesis
Charles Page
A wife may serve her husband or she may assert her equality
Mary Ellen Nissley
Gen 2:20 does not contain the singular word “helpmeet”.
Instead, it uses two separate words, “help” and “meet.”
“Help” is “ezer” in Hebrew. It is used also in Psalm 46:5, speaking of God being a help to Israel.
“Meet for him” is translated from one Hebrew word: “neged.”
“Neged” means a counterpart. It carries the idea of a mirror-image–an opposite.
Nowhere in the Hebrew does the idea of a “helpmeet” occur as it is traditionally thought of–as if the “help” a woman is supposed to supply to a man is smaller than the man himself.
In fact, the words chosen by God to describe her, He uses to describe HIMSELF, as a help from above, to Israel.
Now, I am not saying that women are superior to men. Not at all. I am only asserting that we are precisely what the Word says we are. We are a help to men, as God is a help to Israel. And we are “meet for men” as the opposite and equal force, to balance him.
As to your word “helpmate”… it’s not in the Bible at all.
Charles Page
Helpmate is modern usage
Mary Ellen Nissley
It’s a modern invention of the imagination of man, and not Biblically sound.
Mary Ellen Nissley
Charles Page, you said a wife can choose to be either a “helpmeet” or a “helpmate.” I don’t know what you meant by your imaginative terms. Which of those is supposed to be Biblical?
Charles Page
Help meet
Mary Ellen Nissley
So… let me try to understand your reasoning…
You seem to be saying that if a woman chooses to be a “helpmeet” then she is NOT claiming to be equal to her husband.
Can you tell me why, in light of the meaning of the Hebrew words translated “help” and “meet”?
Charles Page
husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church – suggest submission and not equality
Mary Ellen Nissley
Submission does not mean inequality. In fact, Ephesians says for ALL brothers in Christ to submit one to the other.
Is not Christ subject to the Father? Yet, is he not equal with God?
Charles Page
Submission implies “inequality” (I’m trying to understand what you imagine “inequality” to be)
Mary Ellen Nissley
So… you are leaning on an implication you feel is there, which is not explicitly stated…?
Can you tell me what “equality” means, in your mind?
Charles Page
I “feel” that equality means whatever is the relationship of Christ to his Father. He came to do his Father’s will. He was submissive to his will. That reflects in his role toward the church and the role of a wife to her husband.
Christ performs a complementary role to the Father, I “feel” and “imagine” according to the recorded conversations of Christ and his Father in the Gospels.
The role of a wife to her husband is complimentary. She is bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh, they are one.
Mary Ellen Nissley
Isn’t it interesting that Christ never had to obey the will of the Father, before Christ became flesh?
(Heb. 5:8)
Therefore, before the incarnation, there was no need for submission and dominance. There was only perfect unity…equality. One was not dominant over the other. There was no need for it.
It was only in the context of the will of Christ’s flesh, in opposition to the will of the Father, that He had to learn obedience.
Charles Page
I hold to the incarnational Son rather than the eternal Son. Before the incarnation He was the Word, he was with and was God.
Mary Ellen Nissley
I’m not going to argue that subject…
How do you feel about the actual Greek words of Gal. 3:26-28?
In verse 26, the word translated “children” is actually specifically male in the Greek. It should read, “ye are all SONS of God…”
And if you read verse 28 in that light, it is clear. I am a son of God, equal with you.
Just as in Christ, blacks are equals with whites, and Jews equal alongside Gentiles, even so women are equal alongside men.
Because spirits do not have gender.
And that’s why God pours out his Spirit equally on men and women, and sons and daughters prophesy alike.
Just as blacks and Jews, and slaves should never be relegated to a different place in the church, even so women should not, either.
Charles Page
America is structured on “all men are created equal”
Charles Page
I am opposed to the CoG granting equality of women to ordained bishops. That does not imply inequality but divine roles in the church.
Mary Ellen Nissley
America claimed to be structured on “all men are created equal.” … yet, whites were somehow seen as more equal than blacks, for 150 years…
Just as the church sees men as more equal than women.
Charles Page
Mary Ellen Nissley they meant all men (not women and blacks) were created equal. Blacks won equal rights and women won after that. Now all men are created equal as an American concept.
Mary, you seem to be a feminist, are you?