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Ricky Grimsley | PentecostalTheology.com
From Dr. Brown’s twitter history.
Mr. President, I love you, I pray for you, & I appreciate all the good you've done in this last year. But I plead with you to be more careful with your words (assuming the report about your statement on certain immigrant countries is true). Surely, sir, you can do better. @POTUS
— Dr. Michael L. Brown (@DrMichaelLBrown) January 12, 2018
Varnel Watson
Thank you Ricky Grimsley and here is the original from AskDrBrown https://twitter.com/DrMichaelLBrown/status/951625414706892801
Varnel Watson
Neil Konitshek been looking forever for your statement on Brown “How does Dr. Michael brown keep getting a pass from everyone? He still refuses to repent from his heresy that he preached at Brownsville revival or false revival I should say.” https://www.facebook.com/groups/pentecostaltheologygroup/search/?query=brown%20heresy
Peter Fiske
Brownsville wasn’t a false Revival, I went there as a young Christian while I was still in Southern Baptist convention. Nevertheless, maybe you don’t like John Kilpatrick and Dr Brown because they don’t ascribe to Dake’s crackpot theology and the Gap Theory?
Gary Micheal Epping
Peter Fiske On this we agree. The Brownsville Revival was life changing for me and my wife. We went on to serve for eight years in the mission field after I quit 25 years of University teaching. And guess what? We didn’t ever get into any long debates about Gen 1:2. We were too busy worshipping and taking the gospel out to the lost.
Joseph Kidwell
I was at Brownsville as well in May of 1997. There was no heresy preached. It was a mighty move of God.
Gary Micheal Epping
Joseph Kidwell Never elsewhere have I ever experience the presence and power of God like I did while in Brownsville. I pray often that God will again pour out his Spirit on America and change our nation.
Peter Fiske
For once we can agree Joseph Kidwell ! It was Brother Kilpatrick more than anyone else I believe, that help to open my eyes that cessationist theology that Baptist cling to, is unsupported biblically.
Peter Fiske
Gary Micheal Epping, John Kilpatrick, and my buddy, his son, John Michael Kilpatrick, don’t ascribe to the Dake Bible or any of the crackpot false doctrines that Dake teaches.
Peter Fiske
Gary Micheal Epping, He will, in His own time.
Gary Micheal Epping
I was baptized when I was 14, but don’t really believe that I was saved until I had a powerful encounter with God at the Revival, which changed my life. I was a baptist boy that thought the baptism in the Holy Ghost couldn’t be real until the glory of God came on me, and these strange words began to come out of my mouth. Being touched by God changes everything in an instant.
Peter Fiske
Gary Micheal Epping, I’m glad you had that experience at the Brownsville Revival. However, it seems as if Troy Day thinks that’s the movement of the Holy Spirit that positively impacted almost 5 million people for 5 years in Pensacola somehow is negative and/or false. That’s really poor discernment on his part.
Gary Micheal Epping
Peter Fiske I, and probably you, have heard it all from people about the Brownsville Revival, from the greatest movement of God since the awakening to a false revival from the devil. It used to get under my skin when people criticized the revival, but after I learned that every major revival in America has had major critics, I don’t usually get upset anymore. I tell people that I was there often, and spent two years at BRSM. I know a lot of people that got saved there. I will tell you my story if you want to listen. If you don’t want to hear it thats okay too. I also will tell people that there is nothing you could ever tell me that will make me doubt the revival, as I know from direct experience that this was a mighty move of God. Peter, I already know that I don’t need to explain the Brownsville Revival to you, because I know that you already know. It is just something that people know about each other when they find out they both were a part of the Revival.
Gary Micheal Epping
Joseph Kidwell The messages that Steve Hill preached were pretty simple. He preached on sin nearly every service, and told people to get the sin out their lives, accept Jesus as one’s Lord and Savior, and follow Jesus Christ the rest of their lives. The power of God was so power there that one either yielded to God or wanted to get out of the service real quick. I have studied baptist and protestant theology, pentecostal theology, and Catholic theology to try and round out my studies. I have never seen or head anything heretical while I was at Brownsville.
Gary Micheal Epping
I have read many books and articles by Dr. Brown, as well as other theologians from all Christian backgrounds. He is one of the smartest and most articulate, but he is not perfect and probably ought to stay out of politics. However, I admire his long devotion to Jesus Christ the same as I do of Troy Day. Many people have been brought in the kingdom of God because of men like these.
Gary Micheal Epping
Peter Fiske Actually, you can’t say that Dr. Brown doesn’t “ascribe to Dake’s crackpot theology and the Gap Theory?” According to the Dogma Debate, episode #180 – Smalley vs. Dr. Michael Brown, the following dialogue took place.
Smalley: So are you a Young Earth Creationist?
Brown: No, I’m not sure about the age of the earth in terms of scientific debate because I don’t have the scientific acumen to decide. I know the general beliefs by the vast majority of scientists in terms of an old earth etc. But based on reading Scripture alone I don’t believe that it makes clear what the age of the earth is. You can read it as a young earth creationist or you can read it in a different way. I’m trying to read it as written against its Ancient Near Eastern background and things like that… What I absolutely believe is in a Creator. Absolutely. And while there are certainly evolutionary processes that happened the only explanation for the human race, our make up, is that God created us.
Smalley: Ok. So you don’t know?
Brown: I don’t know.
Peter Fiske
Gary Micheal Epping grasping for straws? I never said that Dr. Brown absolutely accepted the true and knowable from scripture age of the Earth (< 10K years). I said he didn't ascribe to the unbiblical nonsense Finis Dake taught, including the heretical Gap myth, peddled by this pseudo-scholar and false prophet. It might interest you to listen to this podcast interview that Dr. Brown did with my friend and colleague, creation scientist Dr Jonathan David Sarfati.
http://thelineoffire.org/2013/10/02/dr-brown-interviews-young-earth-creation-scholar-dr-jonathan-sarfati/
Peter Fiske
I would love to hear your testimony Gary Micheal Epping, as the power of God is the most fascinating factoid of the universe we live in as it’s the source of all existence that’s embodied in all the laws of physics and chemistry and ultimately biology, that make us up.
I would hope that you would have an equal interest in hearing my journey from spiritual truth Seeker who at age 14 was sidetracked from accepting Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior by listening to a well-meaning yet theologically ignorant teacher who taught the Gap myth, which caused me to slide into agnosticism, hedonism, and they sure early demise, with the philosophical justification that the Bible wasn’t true, and as a supposedly *highly evolved animal*, I had the ultimate choice as to what my destiny would be, to a bible-believing Christian, and ultimately a Spirit-filled Bible believing Christian.
Peter Fiske
Gary Micheal Epping I would love to hear your testimony as the power of God is the most fascinating factoid of the universe we live in as it’s the source of all existence that’s embodied in all the laws of physics and chemistry and ultimately biology, that make us up.
I would hope that you would have an equal interest in hearing my journey as well. Briefly, from spiritual truth Seeker who at age 14 was sidetracked from accepting Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior by listening to a well-meaning yet theologically ignorant teacher who taught the Gap myth, which caused me to slide into agnosticism, hedonism, and most assuredly based on the I was on, an early demise, with the philosophical justification that the Bible wasn’t true, and as a supposedly *highly evolved animal*.
I believed that I, not God, had the ultimate choice as to what my destiny would be. Little did I know that the Holy Spirit would use that totally humanistic philosophical worldview to turn me into a bible-believing Christian, and ultimately a Spirit-filled Bible believing Christian.
Peter Fiske
Gary Micheal Epping, why should Dr Michael Brown stay out of politics? Matthew 5:13 calls Christians to be salt and light in this world. Part of that mandate is to engage the culture and the only way we can do that effectively is to participate in our nation’s political process including making biblically-based commentaries on how our country should be ruled.
Jerry Gensel
I’m not reading beyond his first statement because it is wrong. Watch the video. This guy talks like Pelosi and others.
Varnel Watson
Jerry Gensel Our interest with Neil Konitshek was more of a theological concern than a political discussion. I posted the link
Link Hudson
What sid I post exactly? I see a man in a potentially dangerous situation. Doing evangelism with Israeli antimissionaries who think the Torah requires you stone you. The link to your accusation about leads to another page but when i clicked to read more I could not see rhe post anymore.
Varnel Watson
Peter Fiske so now you are an expert on revival too?
Peter Fiske
Troy Day, you mean you’re *nit-picking* at me making a general statement on God’s sovereignty concerning revival? Really dude? As if you had a better insight, extra-biblically, into the Mind of God?
Varnel Watson
Peter not in general but Brownsville specifically There has been various statements made in the group about it and yes we do ask questions here. Hope you dont mind that too much now
Peter Fiske
1. Jonathan Sarfati has a bona fide PhD and physical chemistry from an accredited program in Australia. So, I haven’t seen any scientific acumen on your part whatsoever. So why don’t you be specific and tell us, via objective citations, what specific errors in science Dr. Sarfati has made.
2. Hence, assertions you make concerning Dr Jonathan David Sarfati are based on a subjective prejudice and dislike for biblical creationist such as heaven and I.
Peter Fiske
((Jonathan Sarfati “Refuting Evolution” is full of elementary errors in astronomy, chemistry, geology, and nature of science))
Uh huh. Here’s Chapter 7 on Astronomy in “Refuting Evolution”.
https://creation.com/refuting-evolution-chapter-7-astronomy
Please qualify they charge you made based on the link I provided.
Peter Fiske
Jonathan Sarfati, Troy Day is a follower of the 20th century false prophet, and Gap myth popularizer, Finis Jennings Dake.
http://www.equip.org/article/dakes-dangerous-doctrine/
Peter Fiske
Troy, may I ask just what exactly do you mean when you say that Dr. Jonathan David Sarfati doesn’t understand the “nature of science?”
What you’re obviously talking about is that in your novice- based estimation, the nature of science is the same philosophical claptrap that evolutionists claim science represents. That being the alleged idea of supposed millions of years/deep-time as a fundamental tenant of our supposed understanding of nature, when nothing could be further from the truth.
http://www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/ce/dating2.html
You do this because you (and others) effectively compromise God’s Word in Genesis 1-11.
Peter Fiske
Troy Day, you might be referring to this article [https://creation.com/exploding-stars-point-to-a-young-universe] and where Dr Jonathan Sarfati gives examples of the lack of supernovas as projected by a Big Bang model.
Also, the guy you quote from, Dave Moore, is a rabid anti-Christian evolutionist who publishes on the anti-biblical evolutionist propaganda site Talk Origins (TO).
https://www.trueorigin.org/to_deception.php
https://creation.com/grand-canyon-discordant-dates-college-misinformation
TO has a history of being intellectually and factually dishonest when they attack creation scientists and Christians as a whole. It has to be a serious lack of discernment and judgment on your part, if not outright malice against biblical Christians, to cite from an known Christophobic bigot like Moore.
“Exploding Stars Point to a Young Universe”.
Varnel Watson
Why are you spamming this post with your theory again? Wernt we talking about Brown and revival?
Peter Fiske
The lack of helium in the atmosphere, if the Earth or actually 4.6 billion years old and somewhat of a problem for evolutionists (and now apparently, Genesis
compromisers to deal with).
“Uranium and thorium generate helium atoms as they decay to lead. A study published in the Journal of Geophysical Researchshowed that such helium produced in zircon crystals in deep, hot Precambrian granitic rock has not had time to escape. [Gentry, R. V., G. L. Glish, and E. H. McBay, Differential helium retention in zircons: implications for nuclear waste containment, Geophysical Research Letters 9(10):1129-1130 (October 1982).]
http://www.icr.org/article/evidence-for-young-world/
” Though the rocks contain 1.5 billion years worth of nuclear decay products, newly-measured rates of helium loss from zircon show that the helium has been leaking for only 6,000 (± 2000) years. [Humphreys, D. R, et al., Helium diffusion age of 6,000 years supports accelerated nuclear decay, Creation Research Society Quarterly 41(1):1-16 (June 2004). See archived article on following page of the CRS website:www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/4
1/41_1/Helium.htm.]”
Varnel Watson
I understand you are a on trick pony but must you spam every post in this group with your theory?
Peter Fiske
Troy Day, 1. Jonathan Sarfatihas a bona fide PhD and physical chemistry from an accredited program in Australia. So, I haven’t seen any scientific acumen on your part whatsoever. So why don’t you be specific and tell us, via objective citations, what specific errors in science Dr. Sarfati has made.
2. Hence, assertions you make concerning Dr Jonathan David Sarfati are based on a subjective prejudice and dislike for biblical creationists such as Dr Sarfati and I.
Peter Fiske
Troy Day, I didn’t think you could counter any of the evidence I posted, which is why you believe small deflections seem to work for you.
Gary Micheal Epping
In regard to the statement “20th century false prophet, and Gap myth popularizer, Finis Jennings Dake,” I have some thoughts. have a Dake bible, and find it amazing for the amount of information that is contained in it, especially in a time way before the time of instantaneous look up on google, and also when the KJB was one of just a few reliable Bibles. i have never watched Dake before and thought it might be a good idea to see for myself if he is follower of Satan, as some have called him, or was he an amazing man who knew God intimately. So, I watched the following video to check him out. What do you think about this man based on the video? Please no spamming. Just watch it and give your impressions. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2xwM33D0zg
Varnel Watson
Peter Fiske is Dr. Brown in Jerusalem for the Journey of understanding during Christ at the Checkpoint Conference? https://christatthecheckpoint.bethbc.edu/
Peter Fiske
So I don’t see any problem with Dr. Brown being at this conference. So what’s your beef?
Varnel Watson
No beef Just wondering if he is in Jerusalem for it That would flow with his statement from OP
Peter Fiske
Troy Day, I don’t see the problem in Dr Brown being in Jerusalem supporting Israel’s right to have Jerusalem as its Eternal capital.
Varnel Watson
Neil Konitshek why dont you care what DrBrown would say?
Neil Konitshek
Michael Brown was a speaker and supporter of the demonic false revival at Pensacola and still claims it was “a great move of God”. For that reason alone I would question his discernment
Peter Fiske
Neil Konitshek, how was the Pensacola Revival demonic? What theological foundation do you have for making that claim?
Gary Micheal Epping
Neil Konitshek You, Sir, are mistaken about the Brownsville Revival. You never visited it, so you have no personal knowledge to make such nasty comments. I find your remarks highly offensive.
Neil Konitshek
Many true believers feel the same way. It truly boggles my mind to think the people cannot see past the shroud of darkness that covered over that wicked place.
https://churchwatchcentral.com/2017/10/08/why-the-brownsville-revival-was-a-demonic-revival-run-by-satans-servants/amp/
Gary Micheal Epping
Neil Konitshek My times in Brownsville are treasured and was where I found Jesus Christ. I think you can see why I find your comments objectionable. Actually, what happen to me there is similar to what you described in your testimony when you found the Lord, “All of a sudden BAM! The Spirit of God comes in like lightning and floods my whole being with His love. I am overwhelmed with the presence of God and for a brief time I left my body.”
Varnel Watson
Gary did you see Emma or she was later?
Gary Micheal Epping
Troy Day Emma?
Varnel Watson
the female angel that flew around there
Neil Konitshek
Troy Day Emma was Tod Bentley not Brownsville.
Neil Konitshek
Gary Micheal Epping Gary , I am glad for you that you met Christ there. I got saved in a New Age seminar so does that make it holy? No of course not
Varnel Watson
Neil Resolution 16 addressed everything all together that came out of those revivals
Gary Micheal Epping
Neil Konitshek Did you visit the revival? I was there for 2 years and it was nothing like what you describe. Many missionaries, including myself, were sent out from that revival. I still know of at least 6 that are still in Thailand.
Varnel Watson
Make that 5 Gary Peter is back stateside 🙂
Peter Fiske
Neil Konitshek, you can’t get saved at a New Age seminar since New Ageism has nothing to do with Christianity but everything to do with Eastern religions.
Varnel Watson
Peter the website you tried to post is flagged on facebook as fake news The author was not saved in Florida but in Kanzas where his lived with his mother. He claims personal friendship with Bentley and many others at the time
Neil Konitshek
Peter Fiske don’t limit God with your limited understanding. I was frightened at the New Age seminar and cried out to JESUS and He saved me! Plenty of people get saved at demonic places as God looks upon their heart not their physical location.
Peter Fiske
Neil Konitshek, do you have a scriptural basis for what you’re saying? Remember 1 John 4:4? Read it and get back with me!
Peter Fiske
Troy Day, left-wing dominated Facebook flags reputable conservative outlets like Breitbart is *fake news*. And you quoted the anti Biblical evolutionist fake news site *Talk Origins* as a *reputable source* in your attempt to besmirch my friend, creation scientist Dr Jonathan David Sarfati just so you can salvage the tarnished reputation of the false doctrine known as the Gap myth.
Why should anyone believe you?
Neil Konitshek
Peter Fiske Romans 10:9 For if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart, that God raised him up from the dead, thou shalt be saved:
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth man confesseth to salvation.
Peter Fiske
Neil Konitshek, apart from the heavy KJV dialect, Romans 10:9 it’s pretty cut and dried. However, if one is embellished in the New Age movement, it’s likely that you’re not being led by the Holy Spirit, but to buy a demonic spirit. John 6:44 tells us that no person can come to Jesus unless the Spirit of the Father, being the Holy Spirit, draws them.
Varnel Watson
Fellers you are doing great Keep on with it
Peter Fiske
Troy Day, please address my question to you.
Neil Konitshek
Peter Fiske who said I was embellished in the New age? I attended a seminar not knowing what it was about and I got saved there. That was 30 years ago. Still walking with Jesus every day!
Varnel Watson
Neil why were they demonic? Gary Micheal Epping and others in this group have testified that the FL revivals made them who they were? Are you referring to Tod Bentley’s Ema angel angle ?
Gary Micheal Epping
Troy Day Todd Bentley had absolutely nothing to do with the Brownsville Revival, which was over when Bentley was in Lakeland. I can personally attest that the Brownsville Revival was a “great move of God.” I have no personal knowledge about the Lakeland revival, but the articles I have read raise a lot of questions about its authenticity.
Varnel Watson
well now Gary they were both related Pensicola and all They were all in AG churches Bentley afterwords targeted AG churches and got them so involved that AG had to come up with Resolution 16 to shut down all revival tapes and manuals I do not know why Neil Konitshek attested to a theological failure by Brown as he was not the only preacher there but more of over the school right ?
Gary Micheal Epping
Troy Day The two revivals were not related at all, except they were in AOG churches. They were two completely different revivals, with two different sets of leaders, and different types of people that attended. I know nothing about the information you provided about Bentley, so I can make no comment.
Varnel Watson
Yes of course, I was speaking to the similarity of results they had on AoG churches and the Resolution 16 that followed
Gary Micheal Epping
Troy Day John Kilpatrick commented on Todd Bentley, “Those that know me know that I love revival, but I also place great emphasis on doctrine and integrity. In fact, I make decisions of support of people and their ministries based on these two qualities. That being said, in the very early stages of revival, I went to visit Todd Bentley in Lakeland, Fla. My purpose was to champion revival, and I had great hope that it would be one that would sweep the world.
At that time, I didn’t know much about Todd or his doctrine, but had some concern. Over the last two months, it has become a major concern to me. I have some strong doctrinal issues with his extra-biblical views.
Also, our hearts are saddened that Todd has chosen to resist council from credible individuals and has legally separated from his wife. Our prayers go out to both him and his family. We know this will bring great hurt to many in the Body of Christ. That’s just what this type of thing does. It’s the sheep that usually get hurt the most.” https://jenniferleclaire.org/articles/john-kilpatrick-voices-major-concern-with-todd-bentley-doctrine/
Varnel Watson
Yes aware of Kilpatrick stand and we’ve discussed Resolution 16 that followed those and other concerns http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/assemblies-of-god-officially-denounces-all-neo-pentecostals/
Gary Micheal Epping
Troy Day I really object to talking about the Brownsville Revival at the same time as Lakeland. They are unrelated. If you want to take about Lakeland, another thread would be better. Please keep this one on Brownsville, where Dr. Brown was the President of BRSM.
Gary Micheal Epping
Troy Day Why are you posting that. It has nothing to do with Brownsville. If you want to talk about Lakeland, start a new thread, but don’t try to intermix that mess with Brpwnsville. That is an injustice.
Gary Micheal Epping
Brownsville was a old fashioned pentecostal revival that was based on the preaching of sin and the need for repentance, so one could accept and follow JesusPERIOD.
Peter Fiske
Gary Micheal Epping, I actually went to Lakeland to see this supposed move of God myself. And I’m happy to report that it was a fraud. I didn’t feel any, nor did I witness any move of the Holy Spirit whatsoever.
Peter Fiske
Troy Day, since you seem to like to use the fallacy of equivocation (apples vs oranges) to lump the genuine Brownsville Revival in with the fraudulent Lakeland Revival, you might want to consider lumping someone else into this group. Of course I’m talking about the famous 20th century false prophet that peddle the heretical Gap Myth, none other than Finis Jennings Dake, and his plethora of ridiculous false teachings.
http://www.equip.org/article/dakes-dangerous-doctrine/
Peter Fiske
It’s also a logical fallacy Gary.
http://www.txstate.edu/philosophy/resources/fallacy-definitions/Equivocation.html
Gary Micheal Epping
Peter Fiske I never did go to Lakeland, but the comments I heard from others that did were similar to what you reported. The two revivals should never be evaluated together just because of things like they both happened in an AOG church, they were both in Florida, and happened in a similar time frame. None of those things are reasons to try and link the two revivals. It is like trying to link the Brownsville Revival with the Cane Ridge Revival. A genuine Revival needs to be studied on its own merits. The great awakening, Cane Ridge Revival. Finney’s Rochester Revival, Azusa street Revival, and the Brownsville Revival were all unique mighty moves of God!
Neil Konitshek
He was there for a long time. They scammed people for millions of dollars. They were doing all the slain in the spirit manifestations and a good friend of mine came home so demonized he could barely function any longer. Very demonic and he refuses to repent from his part there at Brownsville.
Varnel Watson
Neil I;ve heard stories about the school. Do you mean Bentley or Brown?
Gary Micheal Epping
Res 16 was in response to the sideshow that developed in Lakeland with Bentley. It had nothing to do with the Brownsville Revival. At the time, Thomas Trask said, “This [Brownsville] is a sovereign move of God.” Charles Crabtree spoke twice at Brownsville while I was there and endorsed it. Renewal Journal said, “Assistant General Superintendent, Charles Crabtree, was a speaker at the April Pensacola Harvest Revival Ministers’ Conference in Brownsville and was visibly touched by all that was happening there. General Superintendent Thomas Trask is a godly man who definitely desires spiritual revival, and reports indicate that what is happening at Brownsville is warmly endorsed by the AOG Executive Presbytery, Springfield.” https://renewaljournal.blog/2011/07/20/harvest-now-byrobert-mcquillan/
Varnel Watson
Yes Gary Side show and the sold tapes and manuals I agree with that very much Lets get to Item 6 now 😉
Varnel Watson
Neil Konitshek how did you get saved through New Age? I dont follow
Gary Micheal Epping
Troy Day I attended off and on the Brownsville Revival from 1996 to 1998, and then full time from 1999 to 2000. The school was not a mess, and the faculty was tight knit with the focus was on missions and sending missionaries out to different countries. I have four bible school degrees from different institutions. There was nothing abnornal about BRSM from the other schools, and no deviant teaching as you suggest. I don’t know where people come up with such ideas. Its too bad you were not able to attend the Revival back in the day, and many of your question would already be answered. As for the NAR, it is not even a real thing, that it’s just a fabrication from really overly critical people. Never heard much about the term until recently, when people have tried to create a boogey man than doesn’t exist. Every thing was fine with Michael Brown at the school until the AOG steped in in 2000 and wanted to force Dr. Brown to accept AOG credentials, which he did not want to do. Wasn’t a problem until then. This was the reason that Dr. Brown was fired. The school basically left and became FIRE which still exists today with most of the old faculty still teaching. BRSM enrollment declined rapidly and was down the tubes in q couple of years. It would have been better if the AOG had let the school remain as it was. Control issues eventually ended both the bible school and the revival. Although the Brownsville Revival and BRSM were in an AOG church, a high percentage of attendees came from every denominational background. When there is real revival, people cross denominational lines to attend, as I can attest.
Varnel Watson
Gary I dont know about it. My information comes pass the year 2000 when AG was gonna team up with Peter Wagner but they they went different direction and AG denied the whole NAR thing; all and while by that time all FL outpourings were already passed and infiltrated by various strange teachings
Gary Micheal Epping
Troy Day The NAR is mostly a mystery to me too. Like with Mr. PV, the more I looked into it the less I seemed to know.
Varnel Watson
True that About as old earth we stopped discussing
Peter Fiske
Troy Day, we never stopped discussing the age of the Earth, as admin you decided to delete the posts about the Gap Theory, in which you and Gary Micheal Epping were being soundly defeated in debate by none other than myself and the facts. Feel free to post them again so we can pick up where we left off.
Varnel Watson
Peter Fiske Neil Konitshek It is by far interesting to me that the discussion is going astray from OP – namely Brown’s political position posted in this group by Ricky Grimsley back in the day and his current participation in the Jerusalem peace making in opposition to the consulate moving from TelAviv to Jerusalem
Varnel Watson
From the actual conference in JERUSALEM
“According to our Lord, the biblical test-case for the love of God is love of neighbor. And the test-case for love of neighbor is love of enemy.” Pastor Brian Zahnd
Varnel Watson
did he repent from this? Philip Williams Nelson Banuchi
Jed Smock
Who is supposed to repent here and for what? What is this post all about?
Varnel Watson
it aint too clear now is it?
Jed Smock
??
Varnel Watson
yes?
Nelson Banuchi
Troy Day No, it’s not clear at all, at least, to me.
Varnel Watson
I am not a BIT sure how to interpret Dr. Brown’s politiCostalim? Maybe Gary Micheal Epping or Philip Williams can explain on this one better http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/how-to-interpret-dr-browns-politicostalim/
Philip Williams
Troy Day listen up brothers. I am warning you that we must not get entangled with the world and nothing entangles us with the world like getting involved with politics. If you do get involved with politics don’t bring it into the church or into your ministry.
I will recommend to my friend MB, that he remove himself from this business before he damages his ministry.
Know that MB published this prior to the evangelicals getting on the Trump bandwagon. That came about due to Jerry Falwell endorsing Trump. There are recent reports that in doing that, Falwell was returning a favor due to Trump connecting him to Cohen, the fixer attorney. A minister of the gospel shouldn’t have needed such an attorney. I’ll stop here because touching into politics will defile us.
We can as we like favor Trump or oppose him, believe him to be a good President or bad one. But we shouldn’t give a lot of attention to politics and above all not baptize this dirty business as the business of God’s Kingdom.
Varnel Watson
Philip Williams Well you see There could have been a great point in what you said if I posted this from myself But when some leading scholar comes up with a confrontational view we all must take heed in what is being said
Philip Williams
Troy Day come now. What Pentecostal seminary is teaching political science? It’s absurd to expect the people of the world to conform to the standards of the kingdom. That would suppose that Jesus death was unnecessary.
It seems that this generation of Pentecostals are unaware that holiness doesn’t just require separation from the world. Holiness is separation from the world. It’s the holy and not the profane.
Come out from among her that you be not partakers of her sin!
Mystery Babylon is this business-driven world. This business-driven world is Mystery Babylon. This government is the beast upon which she rides.
Eric Jones
What about this…God Himself expected pre-Christ Israel to conform to strict standards of the Law to teach them that they could not accomplish this in themselves. Why have any law? Get rid of all laws because people need Jesus? You arent making any sense…
Varnel Watson
Brown has gone astray with his politics
John-Mark Neal Hales
Out of context
Varnel Watson
in what sense? its a direct quote after all
John-Mark Neal Hales
In the sense the context is not provided. Your little screenshot doesn’t even demonstrate the quote Michael Brown is worked up about. Brown also says he’s just “assuming” the authenticity of said quote. Ergo, it’s out of context.