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Charles Page
That’s the reason He gave us a relative gospel
David Lewayne Porter
We could also say it as being applicable to today’s generation. And I do truly hope so.
Charles Page
Gospel is whatever works
It is existential
Jon Ray
Charles what you said is so far from what you stand for that I cant even begin to explain. What if some suggest the Gospel works through strangely dressed people jumping on stage – would you still go with whatever?
Charles Page
I would not be surprise what goes on the stage in a COG service. Have you seen the pictures?
David Lewayne Porter
No, The Gospel is the story of Christ giving His all for us so we could be with Him and His Father for all eternity as outlined in the scriptures through prophecy and fulfillment.
Jon Ray
The method changes the message…
Charles Page
This is contemporary existential theology – prominent today!
David Lewayne Porter
If the message is true the method never changes it.
If it did each culture would have a differing Christ.
Charles Page
don’t run out to the dessert when someone says here is Christ!!
David Lewayne Porter
Exactly
Tim Anderson
As I pondered that question this evening, Jesus had declared to his disciples that they were the Light and not to hide it. Then this song was on my mind. So Yes in so many words, A Light is very relevant to those in darkness, just like a ship on waves of the ocean would be jn jeopardy of losing everything if there was no Lighthouse or Navigational equipment. And those that are sick need a Dr. We know the Dr.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5FtpEF5ao4
Jon Ray
David Lewayne Porter Unfortunately the method redefines the message
Varnel Watson
did he? RichardAnna Boyce free grace theology seems to be quire irrelevant demanding works in time of grace
RichardAnna Boyce
i am happy replying to Biblical discussion, and am flattered that you spend so much time criticising Free Grace. I discern our chats are not for our benefit, but for others reading them. I love schoolmasters leading us to Free Grace 🙂
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce free grace is NOT free It comes with a cost and that cost maybe your salvation When a person is not repented that doesnt make them relevant – that makes them a sinner in danger of eternal hell fire
Joe Absher
Proverbs 30:20 NASB — This is the way of an adulterous woman: She eats and wipes her mouth, And says, “I have done no wrong.”
Varnel Watson
NO
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day it is free for an unbeliever, but as a believer i repent (change my mind and agree with God) every day. It is COMPULSORY to earn rewards in the Millennium and a better Christian life now.
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce you are not pentecostal as I’ve come to understand though you claim AG connections But now I am starting to realize you possible have no clue what Pentecostal theology is Pls pls prove me wrong pls
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day my favourite Pentecostal book is Gordon Fee-Stuart-How-to-Read-the-Bible by All it’s Worth; and it sums up my Pentecostal theology. On TV, the closest Pentecostal preacher i follow is Creflo Dollar.
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce FEE writes
The first step is repentance. It means giving up dl known sin, changing our
attitude toward it, ceasing any conscious rebellion against God, and rehiming
home to our Heavenly Father. The second step is baptism for the remission of
sins. Baptism in water should be literally obeyed if we believe in the Lord Jesus
Christ as our personal Saviour. The water of baptism cannot puri@ the soul, but
in baptism, we witness to our personal faith in something chat does cleanse us
from ail sin – the precious blwd of Christ. The third step is the promise. This
third step is receiving. It does not imply much effort. The gift has already ken
promised and is, therefore, ours for the taking from the hand of Him who loves
to give good gifts to His children. We ought not to wrestle and work to receive
the Holy Spirit
RichardAnna Boyce
all steps of a BELIEVER, not an UNBELIEVER as conditions to be born again.
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce not what Fee says
RichardAnna Boyce
Fee says to read the Bible in context, which i have quoted over and over again to you brother
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce what you quoted is over and over out of context You ignore the verses cited straight from the BIBLE The churches in Revelation were were neither Jews nor sinners YET most were told to REPENT – you ignore this and sing your own sinful gnostic and very calvinistic song
Varnel Watson
Jesus called us to REPENT – not to be relevant to the world Pentecostal scholar Robert Menzies challenges the position that )iaĂ»q~& does not mean “Christians” in
this case. He notes that Luke also used the relative pronoun ~ivq with paûrlr6ç in other
places, such as his description of Ananias (9: 10) and Tirnothy (16: 1). In addition, Luke
deliberately mentions Apollos in connection with the disciples at Ephesus. Apollos’ standing
can hardly be questioned, for Luke indicates that he had ben “instnicted in the way of the
Lord” and “taught accurately about Jesus” (1 8:25). Moreover, Apollos’ preaching was
delivered under the inspiration of the Spirit “ÇÉwv TG rrv&6pcmn. Thus Luke connects these
disciples with Apollos, highlighting the similarity of their faith in Christ (hrough their
baptism of repentance
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day, i am happy for others to read our chats and for Holy Spirit to give them revelation, where we are presenting two views. I am also contect for them to discern our language/ judgements, that reflect our life of Grace. The word repent is used twelve times in Revelation, but never in reference to obtaining eternal life. It always refers to turning from sins that have been ongoing or ingrained. The result of failing to repent is never eternal condemnation but always God’s temporal judgment on the sinful attitude or activity. This is true whether believers or unbelievers are in view. In the case of the Ephesian church the judgment would be loss of opportunity and witness. Christ warns that if they do not repent, He “will…remove your lampstand from its place.” If their devotion continues to wane, the Judge will close the church’s doors (which He eventually did).
RichardAnna Boyce
Ananias, Timothy, and Apollos would all be preaching a baptism of repentance to believers. Repentance/ agreeing with God/ 1 John 1:9 is COMPULSORY for BELIEVERS to earn rewards in the MILLENNIUM. But NEVER for unbelievers to earn eternal security by the works and quality of their repentance.
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce you still ignore the 7 churches
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day, i repeatedly state this:- The word repent is used twelve times in Revelation, but never in reference to obtaining eternal life. It always refers to turning from sins that have been ongoing or ingrained. The result of failing to repent is never eternal condemnation but always God’s temporal judgment on the sinful attitude or activity. This is true whether believers or unbelievers are in view. In the case of the Ephesian church the judgment would be loss of opportunity and witness. Christ warns that if they do not repent, He “will…remove your lampstand from its place.” If their devotion continues to wane, the Judge will close the church’s doors (which He eventually did).
Varnel Watson
so basically you DONT believe that sin can stop you from having eternal life Typical calvinistic thinking with your addition of dualistic gnosticms You can call it whatever else but if you dont believe one can lose their salvation you are NOT Pentecostal – I rest my case
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day Biblically the only sin that sends unbelievers to hell is unbelief.
Varnel Watson
Really? and what about Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
clearly many more categories here beside the unbelieving that disproof your heretical theoretics. You have to really try NOT to read the Bible to believe what you say
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day Revelation 21:6-8
Sinful people will play no part in the eternal state and will all be “outside” the holy city, that is, in the lake of fire (cf. 22:15). To live and to die without believing in Christ leads to eternal and unending misery. It is true that unbelievers have these sins, andwill suffer punishment in hell in direct relationship to the degree of their sin. But only unbelief sends them to hell, and only belief sends them to heave; never good works. So likewise bad works dont send them to hell.
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce so you just admitted that more sins than just unbelief can keep you in hell for eternity
but there is a bigger problem with your topoligical frontology which you call faith You actually belief that the body can sin or not sin while the spirit is prepositionally saved for eternity
The problem with such thinking is a direct denial of God’s sovereignty It says God saved me but my body remains unsaved
there is more problematic area with such gnostic approach to the incarnation It basically rejects that Christ in FLESH could SAVE the FLESH right now – but only the spirit as some esoteric and spiritualistic matter
Salvation through faith does NOT work that way in the BIBLE Christ came for ALL men Was incarnate as sacrifice for ALL sins He does not clean the inside of the temple and leave the outside unclean Your gnostic approach in separation of salvation discredits the Incarnation of GOD and for this reason is borderline heretical
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day i said that unbelief is the only sin that sends you to hell. But described the types of sins that unbelievers engage in. Also unbelievers in hell will be punished to different degrees according to their level of sin in this life. Similarly faithful works of believers earn rewards in the Millennium. But my underlying principle remains; only belief is required for eternal destiny in heaven, and only unbelief is required for eternal destiny in hell.
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce you said something that directly contradicts what the BIBLE says – now you explain away