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Peter A Vandever | PentecostalTheology.com
Many people need deliverance from the spirit of Doubting Thomas.
Charles Page [08/22/2015 4:26 PM]
I knew Peter had a spirit, Judas had a spirit now Thomas had a spirit…did all the disciples have spirits? At the last supper it seemed they all had spirits.
Peter A Vandever [08/22/2015 4:27 PM]
did you read it?
Charles Page [08/22/2015 4:28 PM]
Yes
Peter A Vandever [08/22/2015 8:56 PM]
What you think?
Charles Page [08/22/2015 9:10 PM]
the spirit of doubting is overcome by hearing the rightly divided word. Some of God’s children are stiffnecked and resist the Holy Ghost.
John Kissinger [08/22/2015 10:58 PM]
How many people exactly?
Charles Page [08/22/2015 11:07 PM]
435,894,637
John Kissinger [08/22/2015 11:10 PM]
Usually when Peter A Vandever says “many people” he means 2 or 3 at most
Peter A Vandever [08/22/2015 11:11 PM]
Most of the Western Church needs deliverance from doubting lol
Charles Page [08/22/2015 11:14 PM]
how many western churches?
Peter A Vandever [08/22/2015 11:19 PM]
100%
Charles Page [08/22/2015 11:22 PM]
all Amerikan churches!!!
Charles Page [08/23/2015 6:05 AM]
speaking in tongues are for doubting churches. Prophecy is for believing churches. Believing churches need comfort, edification and exhortation; a medium for greater growth.
Doubting churches are unbelieving and unlearned churches and their doubt is directed toward the believing churches. They THINK God is with them and that He is NOT with the believing churches. They exist inn a medium of doubt, negativity and strong institutional loyalty. Their medium promotes wealth, buildings, hierarchy and a fortified institution. They use a gelding process to make their followers mules.
Ed Lane [08/28/2015 11:33 AM]
say what?
RichardAnna Boyce
Unhealthy religious unbiblical words focus on what we have to do, not what Jesus has done for us in the New Covenant, and are not found in the New Covenant, for example:-
Making a decision for Christ, making a commitment, dedicating my life, paying the price, pressing in, breaking through, servant, steps to, on the cutting edge, blessing sowing seeds, revival which means to bring back to life (but we already have eternal life), impartation (implying that we lack), deliverance (implying we have something we shouldn’t have).
Breaking curses, recommitment/dedicate (cause the first commitment circuit didn’t work).
These are not part of the pattern of sound words used by the Apostles to lay a foundation for the church structure to build on today. Surely we are fighting FROM deliverance (being IN the Delivered One), not TOWARDS deliverance?
RichardAnna Boyce
John 20:24-25 Thomas’s affirmation—“My Lord and my God!”—is one of the most dramatic and powerful statements in all of Scripture about Jesus’ deity. This is powerful evidence that Jesus indeed guarantees eternal life to all who believe in Him (cf. v 31; 11:25-27).
Thomas was already born again. However, he had likely stopped believing that Jesus was the Messiah (cf. Luke 24:21; see discussion above under vv John 20:3-10). “Do not be unbelieving, but believing” likely concerns not only believing in His bodily resurrection, but returning to believe in Him as Messiah.
John 20:3-10 Also raises the question of do you lose salvation if you stop believing? IMHO it is not a deliverance question.
John then went in also; and he saw and believed. John previously believed that Jesus had given him eternal life (2:11; 13:10). He was already born again. Now John believes that Jesus had risen from the dead. However, in light of what the two unnamed disciples said to Jesus on the road to Emmaus—“we were hoping [prior to His crucifixion] that it was He who was going to redeem Israel” (Luke 24:21)—it is quite possible that John temporary stopped believing that Jesus was the Messiah. (Of course, since he had believed, he remained eternally secure; cf. John 5:24; 6:35-40; 11:25-27). His faith in Jesus is fully restored at this point.
John had not believed when he heard Mary’s report. He believed when he saw the empty tomb for himself.
Tom Torbeyns
John 1:12-13 contradicts what you wrote there…
RichardAnna Boyce
in what way Tom Torbeyns?
Charles Page
Doubting churches are unbelieving and unlearned churches and their doubt is directed toward the believing churches. They THINK God is with them and that He is NOT with the believing churches. They exist in a medium of doubt, negativity and strong institutional loyalty. Their medium promotes wealth, buildings, hierarchy and a fortified institution. They use a gelding process to make their followers mules.
Link Hudson
The original article is not visible. I get an error when I click the link.
Varnel Watson
You dont get an error from the Link
You get an error when you try to access the FB post
It looks like Peter Vandever has blocked the original article
Link Hudson
That’s the link I was talking about.
Varnel Watson
That is not a link but a FB post – it could be taken down or you could be blocked from seeing it The link in OP goes to a website that is working fine but does not disregard FB privacy rules
Varnel Watson
yes they do
Isara Mo
They won’t acknowledge that.. Or rather WE WON’T acknowledge THAT.. but it is there..
Doyle Rogers
James (the Brother of Jesus wrote). Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Jas 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. …………………….(NOTE) NOT JUST WISDOM .
Jas 1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive ANY THING of the Lord.
Jas 1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
Ray E Horton
Doyle Rogers Double-mindedness is a real issue with many Christians. It robs the faith that we need in order to receive.
One if my consistent prayers that I have prayer over the years is Ps. 86:11 with my own interpretation:
“Teach me Your way, O Lord; I will walk in Your truth; Unite my heart to fear Your name.” Or, give me an undivided heart to care more about what You think than what others think.
Varnel Watson
TWO SERIOUS BUT SENSITIVE QUESTIONS FOR TODAY’S CHURCH:
1. Is it really necessary for Pastors to dress like thugs (simply defining attire not personality) to reach this generation? – I love them enough to do whatever it takes to reach them…
2. Is there any place left for Spiritual Fathers in todays ministry climate?
PS. This is NOT a criticism (it’s research) so be nice…
Varnel Watson
yes they do William DeArteaga Ray E Horton
RichardAnna Boyce
Deficient or sufficient??????????????
2 Peter 1:3 ‘His divine power has given to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of Him who called us by glory and virtue.’
When we believed in Christ as our Saviour, we were given access to all the riches of His grace, in Christ.
It was not a first instalment, or just a ticket to heaven.
Many Christians are taught that they are deficient, need new experiences and blessings.
We’re not working towards deliverance, but from deliverance when we first believed.
God has given us one gift, His Son Jesus Christ, and included in Christ is every blessing we will ever need for life.
We have received all of the all-sufficient Jesus; all the riches of His Free Grace.
Varnel Watson
come again RichardAnna Boyce are you thinking ?
RichardAnna Boyce
Doubting Tomas are not working towards deliverance, but from deliverance when they first believed.
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce they always need free grace
Chris Westerman
RichardAnna Boyce Good post. Same goes for healing. We are not to pray and ask God to heal us. Healing is just as much a part of the atonement as the forgiveness of sins. First Peter 2:24 says “by his stripes we WERE healed”. We are not to pray and ask God to heal us, we are to receive, by faith, what God has already provided, by grace. We are not trying to get God to move. He has already moved in Christ Jesus.
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day they don’t need more deliverance; but more information about the Deliverer living His Life through them.
Chris Westerman
But also, I think, just like with healing, some need deliverance through the laying on of hands by another believer. Or, not that they need it, but can be delivered by the laying on of hands.
Varnel Watson
Chris Westerman deliverance from COVID?
Chris Westerman
Troy Day For COVID, I think healing would be appropriate, not deliverance.
Isara Mo
Many need deliverance from the fear of COVID
RichardAnna Boyce
they don’t need more deliverance; but more information about the Deliverer living His Life through them.
Varnel Watson
JO prins says he predicted it all long ago This is one point where positional theology halts You are either delivered or you are not Just like sanctification YES or NO