Schizophrenia is a very common problem. Some
authorities in the field of mental illness estimate there
may be as many as fifty million persons in the United
States who are afflicted to some degree with
schizophrenia, “...schizophrenics are estimated to make
up about 50% of state psychiatric hospital admissions,
with 300,000 new cases every year.” Some cases are
acute while others are quite mild, requiring no
professional treatment. Schizophrenia has remained a
very baffling problem to mental health professionals.
The cause and cure has remained shrouded in
uncertainty.
The disturbance, distortion and disintegration of
personality known as schizophrenia or dementia
praecox is frequently encountered by the deliverance
minister. Almost every person who comes to us for
deliverance is found to have varying degrees of the
network of demon spirits which cause schizophrenia.
The Lord has graciously given us a special revelation on
the problem, which enables us to restore many to
wholeness of personality. Since the revelation came to
my wife, Ida Mae, I have asked her to write the
remainder of this chapter.
The Schizophrenic Revelation Ida Mae Hammond
We were working very closely in deliverance with a
person who did not show much improvement after
repeated ministries. This person was very earnest
about wanting deliverance. She loved the Lord very
much, she believed with all her heart that deliverance
was the answer to her problems, and she cried out to
the Lord in desperation. She was completely
cooperative with the ministry. Nevertheless, the over¬
all results were disappointing.
Time after time we felt that the victory was gained. For
a few days her personality would show signs of
stability, then suddenly everything would go into
upheaval. We would be right back where we started.
Then one night after an especially violent upheaval I
was awakened from sleep. The Lord was speaking
within my spirit. The Lord said, “I want to give you a
revelation of what is Sarah’s problem. The problem is
schizophrenia. Now, I was not knowledgeable on the
subject. In college I had studied some psychology -
enough to be fam ili ar with such general terms as manic
depressive, schizophrenia, paranoia, psychosis and
neurosis. I reached back in my memory to recall that
schizophrenia is sometimes referred to as “split
personality”. The Lord gave me this definition:
“Schizophrenia is a disturbance, distortion or
disintegration of the development of the personality.
You will no longer call her Sarah but ‘Sarah One’ and
‘Sarah Two’, for she has more than one personality in
her.”
I was still in bed - still had sleep in my eyes - as the Lord
continued giving the revelation. He instructed me to
put my hands together, palms facing and with fingers
laced together tightly. He said this represented what the
schizophrenic nature was like. Each hand represented
one of the dual personalities within the schizophrenic,
neither of which was the real self. They were tightly
interlocked. The Lord said, “Your hands represent the
nest of demon spirits that make up schizophrenia. I
want you to know that it is demonic. It is a nest of
demon spirits, and they came into this person’s life
when she was very, very young. I will show you how it
operates.”
New the Lord instructed me to take my hands apart
VERY SLOWLY. As my fingers were slowly disengaged
the Lord showed me that these demonic spirits in the
schizophrenic must be separated, cast out and given up.
The process requires time. It is a shock to the person to
discover that so much of his personality is not the real
self. He may be afraid to discover what his true
personality is. He needs time to adjust and to fall out of
agreement with the false demon personalities, point by
point. He must come to loathe the schizophrenic
personality, and fall out of agreement with it. The Lord
recalled to my memory Amos 3:3. “How can two walk
together except they be agreed.”
One by one my fingers were disengaged, illustrating the
pulling apart of the demonic personalities. (Later, each
finger was given a demonic designation). The last two
fingers to come apart were the middle fingers on each
hand. The Lord showed that these fingers represent the
core of the schizophrenic Rejection and Rebellion. When
these are finally separated the person can consider
himself healed - delivered and knowing who the real
self is.
The control demon is called “Schizophrenia” or “Double
Mindedness”. The Bible says, “A double minded man is
unstable in all his ways” (James 1:8). This is the
scriptural designation of a schizophrenic. The
Amplified translation says:
[For being as he is] a man of two minds-hesitating,
dubious, irresolute - [he is] unstable and unreliable and
uncertain about everything (he thinks, feels, decides).
The phrase translated “two minds” comes from a
compound Greek word literally meaning “two souls”.
The next stage of the revelation came a few weeks later.
The Lord instructed me to draw the outline of my hands
on paper. Then He named the fingers as various demon
spirits and showed me how each demon sets itself up in
the schizophrenic. The control demon of schizophrenia
invites other demons in, in order to cause the distortion
of the personality. Schizophrenia ALWAYS begins with
“rejection”. It commonly begins in childhood or infancy
and sometimes while the child is yet in his mother’s
womb. There are many causes for rejection. Perhaps
the child was not wanted. Or may have been the wrong
sex desired by one or both parents. The condition in the
home may have been unsettled. 'There are many
“doors” that lead to rejection.
INWARD
1. Keeps one from giving and receiving
love - both GOD’S & MAN’S
2. Weds on to the world for love.
3. Makes one tell all, seeking attention,
punishment and correction.
4. Includes inordinate affection for animals.
5. With honesty at all costs. Seeking
evidence for suspicions.
OUTWARD
6. Keeps one from looking at self.
7. Disobedience and anti-submissiveness.
8. Weds one to selfish desires.
9. Both mental and spiritual. Seductive:
to tempt, mislead, decoy. Delusion: a
misleading of the mind, false belief, fixed
misconception (as to cling to a delusion).
In psychiatry: a false belief regarding
the self - common in paranoia.
Schizophrenia can be demonically inherited. Notice I
said “demonically”. By that I mean it is not in the blood
system, not in the genes - it is in the demons! In other
words, demons seek to perpetuate their like kind. It is
easiest for them to do this within a family. For example,
suppose the schizophrenia nature is in the mother. The
demons will pick out one or more of her children to
feed down through. The schizophrenic mother feels
rejection. She is the one who is primarily responsible
for feeding love into the family. She is the one who
touches, handles and fondles the infant. The rejection
within herself creates problems in her relationships
with the child. So, the child is opened for rejection by
the mother’s instability. I repeat, schizophrenia
ALWAYS begins with rejection.
Now, one can have a rejection spirit and not be a
schizophrenic. In other words, it is all in the matter of
forming a personality. You can have a rejection spirit
and still manage to form your own personality and be
secure in yourself. To the contrary, the schizophrenic is
always floundering ... “Who am I?” The identity of the
true self is confused or lost.
Rejection (shown on the left hand in the illustration) is
the control demon in one of the personalities set up
within the schizophrenic. Rejection depicts a
withdrawn type personality. (It is a feeling within -it is
agony within... it is a starvation of love... it is
insecurity... it is inferiority... it is fantasy... it is
unreality - it is all on the inside — “I don’t share in
this.”) This is one personality the demons set up.
The second personality set up by the demons is
“Rebellion”. (See the middle finger on the right hand in
the illustration). When a child does not have
satisfactory love relationships in life he grows up being
unable to feel and share in love relationships. A
rebellion sets in. He begins to fight for love. Or he
lashes out at those who have starved him of love.
Rebellion asserts itself in stubbornness, self-will and
selfishness. Here is another personality. This one is not
inward and withdrawn. It is aggressive and lashing out
in anger, bitterness, resentment, hatred and retaliation.
The schizophrenic is literally under these two opposite
powers. He can switch from one type personality to the
other in a moment’s time.
The Lord showed me that I was to refer to the
schizophrenic person as “Sarah One” and “Sarah Two” -
the “Sarah One” being the real person, and the “Sarah
Two” the schizophrenic personality which has two
sides to it. Therefore, there are really three
personalities involved - the real personality, the
rejection personality and the rebellion personality. In
thirty minutes time one may see all three personalities
manifested. Naturally, this brings much confusion to
the person himself as well as to others around him.
The real person is neither of the “hands”. The “Real
Self” is shown in the illustration between the arms, at
the bottom. The demons have not permitted the real
self to develop. The schizophrenic does not know his
real self. When the schizophrenic begins to be
delivered, the real self must have Jesus. Jesus must start
growing in the person, developing that personality, and
making it what He wants it to be. This is why the
schizophrenic deliverance requires time - sometimes
several months or even a year, or longer. The
deliverance must work in balance with the
development of the “Real Self”. It cannot be rushed, for
there is nothing for the person to fall back upon. If
every demon in the schizophrenic person were
suddenly cast out he would feel totally lost. Identity
with the “Real Self” requires time. As the schizophrenic
nature is knocked out the true personality must come
forth to replace it.
Let me illustrate what can happen when a
schizophrenic is in the process of deliverance. He may
be learning submission to authority. He is faced with a
test. There is a situation where he is required to be
submissive. He is not in the habit of being submissive.
What will he do? Will he fall back into rejection... go to
his room? ...cover his face? ...refuse to talk to anyone?
Or, will he fall back into rebellion... expressing
anger? ...becoming defiant? ...showing stubbornness?
Or, will he permit the nature of Jesus to come forth
...cooperating? ...yielding to authority? ...becoming
submissive? The decision is his. He must be willing to
fall out of agreement with the demons and to break old
habit patterns. The “Real Self” must have become
strong enough in Christ to carry through on the right
decision.
On the illustration you will see a swirl at the top,
between the two hands. This represents a “hurricane”.
The schizophrenic person continually creates “storms”
around himself. He is caught in these storms, and other,
must relate to what is happening. Notice that some of
the arrows also carry swirls or “hurricanes”. If the
person trying to relate is also unstable he brings his
storm into the schizophrenic’s storm. You then have a
storm within a storm. Other arrows are straight. These
depict persons who are stable and can relate to the
“hurricane” in a stable way. Such a person can engage
the storm without being damaged or scarred. He is not
captured by the turmoil. The deliverance minister must
be able to come in as a straight arrow.
These times of storm cause the root of bitterness to
form (see right hand) and to be driven deeper and
deeper.
Now, let us see what the other fingers on the left hand
represent. The “ring finger” is designated lust. The Lord
showed me that this demon “weds” a person to the
world for love. Lust is rooted in rejection. If one has not
received satisfactory love through the normal channels
of life, the carnal nature will begin to search for its kind
of love-sensual love. Thus, the door is opened for the
demon of lust to enter. A companion spirit in this group
is fantasy lust which may cause the person to imagine
he is some great lover of the motion picture world or to
fantasy sexual experiences as a prelude to overt acts.
The harlotry spirit in women may first manifest itself in
dress and provocativeness. Sexual perversions
represent extreme attempts to overcome rejection.
Sexual experiences, real or imaginary, can never satisfy
the need for genuine love. They are the devil’s
substitutes for real love and leave a person ridden with
frustration and guilt.
The little finger on the left hand represents insecurity
and inferiority. This is yet another manifestation of
rejection. The person who has a deep sense of rejection
feels insecure and inferior.
The index finger on the left hand is “self-accusation”.
This demon causes a person to turn against himself and
tears down his sense of personal worth. In most cases
we have found “self accusation” coupled with a
“compulsion to confess. For example, if the person has
fallen into immorality he cannot rest until he has
confessed his wrong-doing. He usually confesses to
those who should show him the most love. He is driven
to do this in an effort to “shock” others into giving him
forced attention and thereby find a substitute for love.
Now, let us move to the right hand in the illustration.
The middle finger in the illustration is designated
“rebellion”. As we have seen, rebellion identifies one of
the false personalities set up by the demons. This group
of demons may be considered compensating spirits for
“rejection”. Rebellion is the opposite of rejection. One is
expressive and turbulent, the other is withdrawn and
insecure.
The ring finger on the right hand represents self-will.
This demon “weds” a person to selfish desires. This
opens the way for stubbornness, selfishness and
unteachableness. Again, we see the compensation for
rejection. Since the person has been rejected or fears
rejection he is driven to pamper self... to push self. He is
thereby trying to overcome feelings of rejection.
The index finger is called accusation. It, too, is a
compensating demon. It draws the attention away from
the rejection. It seeks to eliminate a concentration on
self by calling attention to others. The left index finger
points at self - “I am to blame,” while the right index
finger points at others - “You are to blame.” The
accusation demon opens the door for companion spirits
of judgmentalism.
The little finger on the right hand is self-deception. Its
companions are delusion, self-seduction and pride.
These three spirits of “self” inflate pride. Pride is
another compensation for rejection. One who feels
rejected wants to feel important. The spirit of delusion
comes along and says, “You are REALLY somebody”;
‘You are a spiritual giant!”, or some other kind of giant.
The ego that has been wounded appears to be given a
boost. But it is all demonic. It only leads to greater
frustration and disappointment.
In one case of ministry, the spirit of self deception had
convinced a thirteen year old girl that she was
nineteen. She took on another name to go with her
other person. She attempted to think, talk and act like
an older girl. She was pushed beyond her abilities and
her normal maturity. It added greatly to her
oppression.
Through the revelation the Lord showed how the
thumbs represent the “Paranoid” phase of
schizophrenia. Part of it is represented in the left
thumb because it is rooted in rejection. On the rejection
side are spirits of jealousy and envy. Those who are
deficient in reciprocal love relationships become
jealous and envious of those who do experience
satisfying love. On the rebellion side are spirits of
distrust, suspicion, fears and persecution. There is
another demon in this later group and it is called
“Confrontation with honesty at all cost'. Suspicion and
distrust build up in the person until he is compelled to
confront the other person. After the confrontation the
pressure dies down within him for awhile. But it leaves
the attacked person to handle his wounds. The person
acting under the influence of paranoid demons is quite
insensitive as to how many wounds he causes, yet he is
super-sensitive to every offense toward himself.
The revelation portrayed in the fingers and thumbs has
proved to be infallible, as judged by numerous
ministries with schizophrenics. There is no flaw in it.
The demons listed down the left hand are
representative of other spirits that are commonly found
within the rejection side of the schizophrenia pattern.
These will have some variations from person to person.
The listing is suggestive rather than exhaustive. It is
apparent in most instances that the demons listed on
the left hand are in some way associated with the triad
of rejection-type spirits ... rejection, fear of rejection and
self rejection.
The listing of demons on the right hand include control
and possessiveness. They are directly related to
rebellion.
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and
stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. I Sam. 15:23a
This verse can be interpreted in two ways. First, I
interpret it to mean that to God rebellion is as
abominable as witchcraft itself. I also interpret it to
mean that one who has a rebellious nature has the
nature of a witch. The purpose in witchcraft is to
control. It is the controlling of another person by
knowingly or unknowingly employing the power of evil
spirits. Rebellion often leads to control.
Now, let us continue down the right hand. There is a
“root of bitterness”. In all of life one does have conflicts.
Things DO happen and words ARE spoken that require
an attitude of forgiveness. Here lies the problem with
the schizophrenic. He is unable to forgive. He has an
unforgiving spirit. The things that happened thirty years
ago are just as alive as they were the minute they
happened. The root of bitterness is kept alive and out of
it comes resentment, hatred, anger, retaliation, violence
and murder. There can be many other demons attached
to such a root of bitterness.
How does the schizophrenic come out of this tangled
mess? The three main areas to conquer are REJECTION,
REBELLION and THE ROOT OF BITTERNESS. As these
areas are conquered the “house” (life) must be filled by
the giving and receiving of love, by submission to every
valid authority and by forgiveness of all persons
regardless of the circumstances. When these three
areas are conquered the other related spirits lose their
strength. Determination is necessary. The person who
can persistently say, “I WILL BE DIFFERENT! I WILL
NOT LET DEMONS RULE MY LIFE!” will eventually see
victory.
Between the hands at the bottom of the illustration is a
little, stick figure called “The Real Self”. As the
deliverance takes place over a period of time, “The Real
Self” must rise up (depicted by arrows) and part the
false schizophrenic personalities by falling out of
agreement with all of their influence and all that they
represent. “The Real Self” must take on the nature of
Jesus Himself. Spiritual exercises such as Bible study,
prayer, fasting, praise and fellowship with other
believers is essential to a successful deliverance. These
spiritual exercises will also accelerate the deliverance
process as the person’s life is filled with the positive
things of Christ Jesus.
It is hard work for both the schizophrenic patient and
the deliverance minister. I greatly admire
schizophrenics who fight through to victory. I admire
these victories above all other deliverances. The
Schizophrenia deliverance is the deepest, most involved
and most determined deliverance that we have
encountered.
I cannot tell you enough how wrong this counsel from the Hammonds is! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! How do I know? Because I read and followed this counsel from the Hammonds in 1973, –the 5 points on the hand and all–and it was false! It had devastating consequences. Perhaps it was true in that one instance, but to say that this is always the problem of schizophrenia, or that the root of schizophrenia is always rejection, etc., is dangerous! I know this from experience. I followed this counsel, trying to cast demons out of my schizophrenic mother. The Hammonds counsel did not work, there were no demons to cast out to cast out of my mother: it made my mother more paranoid & almost destroyed our relationship. Some schizophrenia is from demonic sources, but it is so wrong to say that it is always demonic. That is not a revelation from God. So much more I could say about this, but I warn against this!!!
Paul L. King your situation does not delegitimize the importance or validity of deliverance.
Sorry to hear about your mom however we don’t have all the details either.
Deliverance does work though.
Casius Leonidas I agree that deliverance works when done in the right way in the right situations. But there are so many unhealthy and downright dangerous deliverance practices. I have been doing deliverance for 48 years in a variety of ways and levels. As a youth pastor at 20 years old, I was mentored in deliverance ministry by my pastor. I sat under the teaching and deliverance ministries of Derek Prince, Don Basham, Francis MacNutt, John Wimber, Lester Sumrall, and others in the early days. I have seen the good, the bad and the ugly, and as I mentioned above, I have done the good, the bad, and the ugly. There is no one size fits all formula as the Hammonds taught. So much wisdom and discernment is needed but so often not exercised.
My name being down up there then your nam. Does that mean I have said something. I don’t have any words written by it. I think all the demons I talk about being cast out. Is the ones Jesus cast out. I know demons are real. But I have been in services where demons was thought to be. I only know of one in a service , the younger people’s service. And some older ones was in there to. They was praying for a young Persons was in there. I always thought his mind was messed up from getting hit by a car. It messed up his face. But he did have attitudes. And did seem to be a real rebellious person. I don’t know how they got started praying for him. If he ask. Or they just started praying. Some how they got started praying for him. But my daughter sad a demon came out of him and hit her as it was leaving. And hit her so hard , that it knocked her up against the wall. I gave my children to the Lord before they was ever born. And always ask God to use them. I don’t know who prayed for him. All I know is Shirley said it knocked her against the wall. I knew the boy. He was some related on my father in law first wife children. So I was use to seeing him now and then. The older people’s service was in the Sanctuary.But I don’t discuss demons much, other than Bible stories , that Jesus cast out, in the Bible. I don’t think I have ever told this before, on face book. I just wondered why my name was there. But nothing said by it. If I was mixed up in talking about demons. I have told stories that other minister told about. One was Bro John Nichols. I have all kind of confidence in this Preacher. You should hear the one I heard him tell about. I believe you need a lot of prayer and fasting for this kind of ministry.
True deliverance has no set pattern or formula. If you can figure that part out, you have no need of the HS to lead you. No two people are alike and no two situations are the same. It’s always different.
In Matthew 4, Jesus healed those who were ‘lunatick’ and He cast out demons. Maybe some people who are lunatick (whatever moon sickness was) were not demonized.
Link Hudson, yes, you are right. You are perceptive to point out the distinguishment in Matthew. Some epileptic-like symptoms are demonic, others are not.
Troy Day
No comment Troy.
If there was a spiritual lab and you took “sample minds” from a group of believers and do a spiritual analysis do you think you will miss some of the ” personalities” mentioned?
The Gadarenes man was completely mad..a raving insane.
No one in that village(town) had any idea that the mind state of the victim was demonic…. until Jesus came along.
We have a lot to learn from that.
A persons childhood background will always affect him in later life, …
I don’t want to completely agree with the Hammonds with what they claim was a “revelation” regarding causes of Schizo….
I know rejection is the source and cause of many emotional afflictions…consequently a doorway to demonic influence.
But we shouldn’t also discard the Hammonds findings completely as meaningless..
There are so many weird things in the field of deliverance only God knows..
Link Hudson meaning what? Isara Mo just asked William DeArteaga whos done research in the area there was a very detail article telling it in detail – not just simple minds though the matter is way more complex than it appears at first glance
Link Hudson
Brother Link do you believe in the casting of demons?
It seems there is a problem in this area with you..Jezebel notwithstanding..
Did Jesus mention ALL THE SPIRITS in His brief 3 year and a half ministry?..Not at all not only didnt He mention them He did not cast them out them OUT ALL OF THEM…
If He said we will cast out demons in His name we have to do that.
That we have different views(our views) on the subject doesn’t change the fact that demons exist ..and need to be cast out.
I definitely believe there is a place for excorcism. But some Charismatics seem to attribute works of the flesh to demons. People need to be taught to not yeild to the lusts of the flesh and to obey the word of God. Blaming sin on demons can be a way of excusing people for their own sins.
It concerns me to see others attribute certain sins or characteristics to demons when:
1. There is no clear demonic manifestation.
2. No revelation through spiritual gifts to identify the problem as demonic.
3. No revelation from scripture to identify a problem as demonic.
If an individual keeps falling into sin or faces health or other difficulties, they may need to repent, pray, recieve prayer, or be strengthened in their faith. Trying to cast out a demon when that is not the problem will not help.
I do not see casting out evil spirits as a cure all. Flying over a city and casting out’spirits of murder’ 1. Makes a Biblically unjustifiable assumption about classification of demons and 2. Does bot remo s tge flesh expect of gatred in men’s hearts.
If we were go try to cast out a ‘spirut if fornication’ out of a fornicator and succeeded in getting a demon put would that guarantee he not fornicate? I suspect many fornucators also fornicate because it feels good and they give in to the lusts of the flesh. And many drunkards choose to drink because tgey like to be drunk.
Troy Day
A human soul can be stolen, trapped, ensnared, de programmed, programmed, manipulated, controlled, ..just name it.
If all these things can be done to a human mind, …if Satan can “blind the minds…” what about His minnows?..
“Among my people are the wicked who lie in wait like men who snare birds and like those who set traps to catch people.
Jeremiah 5:26 NIV
Can human.being be caught like birds?…
and say, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to the women who sew magic charms on all their wrists and make veils of various lengths for their heads in order to ensnare people. Will you ensnare the lives of my people but preserve your own?
Ezekiel 13:18 NIV
Women with magic powers to ensnare lives?
“ ‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against your magic charms with which you ensnare people like birds and I will tear them from your arms; I will set free the people that you ensnare like birds. I will tear off your veils and save my people from your hands, and they will no longer fall prey to your power. Then you will know that I am the Lord .
Ezekiel 13:20-21 NIV
You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? ….
A bewitched mind is one of the most difficult minds to open up to truth..hence the cry “LORD JESUS OPEN MY.MIND”….
Until and unless someone’s mind is opened up by the Lord Jesus, it doesn’t matter how theologically sound they may claim to be, they are still.in bondage..
Troy Day, I thought this would be a real scientific study on demons and schizophrenia, but it is pure opinion and no science. I would welcome a real scientific paper. (for instance, Dr. Candy Gunther Brown, a professor of Indiana University published a scientific study of healing in Heidi Baker’s ministry in Mozambique. Totally scientific, peer-reviewed–meaning critically evaluated by professional researchers),– and demonstrating statistical improvements and healings.) Someone in the field of psychology and psychiatry who has done a study–like F. Scott Peck,
No, I had not seen this particular article. This is better, but I question the statement “Most scholars accept that demons can possess people and can take up physical space within a human’s body.” In my research, that is not the case. That is a pretty generic ambiguous statement. Which scholars is he referring to? Psychiatritric scholars? Exorcistic scholars? Muslim scholars? (Most likely, since the article is much about Muslim psychiatry and exorcism). Still looking for something more specific scientific statistical studies or case studies (Peck, for instance, gives case studies). I agree that some schizophrenia is demonically induced, but not all, and I question Muslim exorcism.
The name “schizophrenia” is a man-made word to describe a mental illness as defined by human beings. When you convey that not all schizophrenia is demon-induced, implied in that statement is that it may or may not be schizophrenia. We read Jesus’ ministry, and it was all about preaching, miracles, and healing. We are commanded to do the same. (Mark 28:18-20; Mark 16:17-19; John 14:12). Command the devil to leave in Jesus’ name. If you think it’s not a devil, speak or lay hands and command sickness to leave in the name of Jesus. (Finished works of Christ). Be Blessed and Believe Only! John 14:12 is mightily revealing!
Paul L. King
I cannot tell you enough how wrong this counsel from the Hammonds is! WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! How do I know? Because I read and followed this counsel from the Hammonds in 1973, –the 5 points on the hand and all–and it was false! It had devastating consequences. Perhaps it was true in that one instance, but to say that this is always the problem of schizophrenia, or that the root of schizophrenia is always rejection, etc., is dangerous! I know this from experience. I followed this counsel, trying to cast demons out of my schizophrenic mother. The Hammonds counsel did not work, there were no demons to cast out to cast out of my mother: it made my mother more paranoid & almost destroyed our relationship. Some schizophrenia is from demonic sources, but it is so wrong to say that it is always demonic. That is not a revelation from God. So much more I could say about this, but I warn against this!!!
Casius Leonidas
Paul L. King your situation does not delegitimize the importance or validity of deliverance.
Sorry to hear about your mom however we don’t have all the details either.
Deliverance does work though.
Paul L. King
Casius Leonidas I agree that deliverance works when done in the right way in the right situations. But there are so many unhealthy and downright dangerous deliverance practices. I have been doing deliverance for 48 years in a variety of ways and levels. As a youth pastor at 20 years old, I was mentored in deliverance ministry by my pastor. I sat under the teaching and deliverance ministries of Derek Prince, Don Basham, Francis MacNutt, John Wimber, Lester Sumrall, and others in the early days. I have seen the good, the bad and the ugly, and as I mentioned above, I have done the good, the bad, and the ugly. There is no one size fits all formula as the Hammonds taught. So much wisdom and discernment is needed but so often not exercised.
Louise Cummings
Paul L. King
Louise Cummings
My name being down up there then your nam. Does that mean I have said something. I don’t have any words written by it. I think all the demons I talk about being cast out. Is the ones Jesus cast out. I know demons are real. But I have been in services where demons was thought to be. I only know of one in a service , the younger people’s service. And some older ones was in there to. They was praying for a young Persons was in there. I always thought his mind was messed up from getting hit by a car. It messed up his face. But he did have attitudes. And did seem to be a real rebellious person. I don’t know how they got started praying for him. If he ask. Or they just started praying. Some how they got started praying for him. But my daughter sad a demon came out of him and hit her as it was leaving. And hit her so hard , that it knocked her up against the wall. I gave my children to the Lord before they was ever born. And always ask God to use them. I don’t know who prayed for him. All I know is Shirley said it knocked her against the wall. I knew the boy. He was some related on my father in law first wife children. So I was use to seeing him now and then. The older people’s service was in the Sanctuary.But I don’t discuss demons much, other than Bible stories , that Jesus cast out, in the Bible. I don’t think I have ever told this before, on face book. I just wondered why my name was there. But nothing said by it. If I was mixed up in talking about demons. I have told stories that other minister told about. One was Bro John Nichols. I have all kind of confidence in this Preacher. You should hear the one I heard him tell about. I believe you need a lot of prayer and fasting for this kind of ministry.
Ron Hamm
True deliverance has no set pattern or formula. If you can figure that part out, you have no need of the HS to lead you. No two people are alike and no two situations are the same. It’s always different.
Joshwa Bedford
Paul L. King well said
Link Hudson
In Matthew 4, Jesus healed those who were ‘lunatick’ and He cast out demons. Maybe some people who are lunatick (whatever moon sickness was) were not demonized.
Paul L. King
Link Hudson, yes, you are right. You are perceptive to point out the distinguishment in Matthew. Some epileptic-like symptoms are demonic, others are not.
Varnel Watson
Link Hudson could this be a Jezebel spirit into a NT woman by a different name who manifested personalities Isara Mo
Isara Mo
Troy Day
No comment Troy.
If there was a spiritual lab and you took “sample minds” from a group of believers and do a spiritual analysis do you think you will miss some of the ” personalities” mentioned?
The Gadarenes man was completely mad..a raving insane.
No one in that village(town) had any idea that the mind state of the victim was demonic…. until Jesus came along.
We have a lot to learn from that.
A persons childhood background will always affect him in later life, …
I don’t want to completely agree with the Hammonds with what they claim was a “revelation” regarding causes of Schizo….
I know rejection is the source and cause of many emotional afflictions…consequently a doorway to demonic influence.
But we shouldn’t also discard the Hammonds findings completely as meaningless..
There are so many weird things in the field of deliverance only God knows..
Link Hudson
Troy Day that is conjecture since the Bible does not even mention a Jezebel spirit.
Varnel Watson
Link Hudson meaning what? Isara Mo just asked William DeArteaga whos done research in the area there was a very detail article telling it in detail – not just simple minds though the matter is way more complex than it appears at first glance
Isara Mo
Link Hudson
Brother Link do you believe in the casting of demons?
It seems there is a problem in this area with you..Jezebel notwithstanding..
Did Jesus mention ALL THE SPIRITS in His brief 3 year and a half ministry?..Not at all not only didnt He mention them He did not cast them out them OUT ALL OF THEM…
If He said we will cast out demons in His name we have to do that.
That we have different views(our views) on the subject doesn’t change the fact that demons exist ..and need to be cast out.
Link Hudson
I definitely believe there is a place for excorcism. But some Charismatics seem to attribute works of the flesh to demons. People need to be taught to not yeild to the lusts of the flesh and to obey the word of God. Blaming sin on demons can be a way of excusing people for their own sins.
It concerns me to see others attribute certain sins or characteristics to demons when:
1. There is no clear demonic manifestation.
2. No revelation through spiritual gifts to identify the problem as demonic.
3. No revelation from scripture to identify a problem as demonic.
If an individual keeps falling into sin or faces health or other difficulties, they may need to repent, pray, recieve prayer, or be strengthened in their faith. Trying to cast out a demon when that is not the problem will not help.
I do not see casting out evil spirits as a cure all. Flying over a city and casting out’spirits of murder’ 1. Makes a Biblically unjustifiable assumption about classification of demons and 2. Does bot remo s tge flesh expect of gatred in men’s hearts.
If we were go try to cast out a ‘spirut if fornication’ out of a fornicator and succeeded in getting a demon put would that guarantee he not fornicate? I suspect many fornucators also fornicate because it feels good and they give in to the lusts of the flesh. And many drunkards choose to drink because tgey like to be drunk.
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Isara Mo
Troy Day
A human soul can be stolen, trapped, ensnared, de programmed, programmed, manipulated, controlled, ..just name it.
If all these things can be done to a human mind, …if Satan can “blind the minds…” what about His minnows?..
Isara Mo
“Among my people are the wicked who lie in wait like men who snare birds and like those who set traps to catch people.
Jeremiah 5:26 NIV
Can human.being be caught like birds?…
Isara Mo
and say, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to the women who sew magic charms on all their wrists and make veils of various lengths for their heads in order to ensnare people. Will you ensnare the lives of my people but preserve your own?
Ezekiel 13:18 NIV
Women with magic powers to ensnare lives?
Isara Mo
“ ‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I am against your magic charms with which you ensnare people like birds and I will tear them from your arms; I will set free the people that you ensnare like birds. I will tear off your veils and save my people from your hands, and they will no longer fall prey to your power. Then you will know that I am the Lord .
Ezekiel 13:20-21 NIV
Isara Mo
You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? ….
A bewitched mind is one of the most difficult minds to open up to truth..hence the cry “LORD JESUS OPEN MY.MIND”….
Until and unless someone’s mind is opened up by the Lord Jesus, it doesn’t matter how theologically sound they may claim to be, they are still.in bondage..
Varnel Watson
Isara Mo Paul L. King https://www.realclearscience.com/blog/2014/06/published_scientific_paper_blames_schizophrenia_on_demons.html
Link Hudson
I wonder if he equates what he calls ‘good’ demons’ with jin.
Varnel Watson
Link Hudson you need to pray for someone to obey God and interpret your typing in tongues again
Link Hudson
Fixed it.
Paul L. King
Troy Day, I thought this would be a real scientific study on demons and schizophrenia, but it is pure opinion and no science. I would welcome a real scientific paper. (for instance, Dr. Candy Gunther Brown, a professor of Indiana University published a scientific study of healing in Heidi Baker’s ministry in Mozambique. Totally scientific, peer-reviewed–meaning critically evaluated by professional researchers),– and demonstrating statistical improvements and healings.) Someone in the field of psychology and psychiatry who has done a study–like F. Scott Peck,
Varnel Watson
Paul L. King I agree William DeArteaga had a scholarly article but I cant find it on his blog anymore
William DeArteaga
Troy DayWill try to get it to you Tuesday
Varnel Watson
William DeArteaga still havent found it
Varnel Watson
Paul L. King did you read the actual article? https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs10943-012-9673-y
Paul L. King
No, I had not seen this particular article. This is better, but I question the statement “Most scholars accept that demons can possess people and can take up physical space within a human’s body.” In my research, that is not the case. That is a pretty generic ambiguous statement. Which scholars is he referring to? Psychiatritric scholars? Exorcistic scholars? Muslim scholars? (Most likely, since the article is much about Muslim psychiatry and exorcism). Still looking for something more specific scientific statistical studies or case studies (Peck, for instance, gives case studies). I agree that some schizophrenia is demonically induced, but not all, and I question Muslim exorcism.
Varnel Watson
Paul L. King cn you PM me your reseach pls William DeArteaga too had an article he will be posting here shortly
Donna
The name “schizophrenia” is a man-made word to describe a mental illness as defined by human beings. When you convey that not all schizophrenia is demon-induced, implied in that statement is that it may or may not be schizophrenia. We read Jesus’ ministry, and it was all about preaching, miracles, and healing. We are commanded to do the same. (Mark 28:18-20; Mark 16:17-19; John 14:12). Command the devil to leave in Jesus’ name. If you think it’s not a devil, speak or lay hands and command sickness to leave in the name of Jesus. (Finished works of Christ). Be Blessed and Believe Only! John 14:12 is mightily revealing!