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Varnel Watson
St. Atanasius puts it best No Trinity = No Christianity
Varnel Watson
Wayne Scott Here’s a good Pentecostal topic to discuss with Walter Polasik For starters St. Atanasius puts it best No Trinity = No Christianity !!!
Walter Polasik
You’ll never hear me argue against the Trinity. I’d have to be on something to do so.
Varnel Watson
You argue against eternal sonship. The Trinity is never said to be father-spirit and word. You need eternal sonship to have eternal Trinity – hence you deny eternal Trinity. For me personally and for the larger Christianity historically your claim is the definition of doctrinal heresy
Walter Polasik
Troy Day It’s textual dubiousness notwithstanding, I believe I John 5:7 says as much. That’s what I read in my Bible. What have you got at that place in yours?
Walter Polasik
Actually, scratch that textual dubiousness. Revelation 19:13 shows He goes right back to being known as “the Word”. So um…..you were saying?
Varnel Watson
Walter Polasik Your statement shows a very deep misunderstanding of the very basic Biblical and true view of the sonship of Christ. I dont mind repeating what I have been writing here for years just for you again:
The Scriptures represent Christ as eternally the Son of God by eternal generation. While it must be admitted that the nature of the sonship and the nature of the generation are unique, being eternal, it has been used in the Bible to represent the relationship between the First Person and the Second Person.
In Psalm 2:7, Jehovah speaks, “I will tell of the decree: Jehovah said unto me, Thou art my son; This day have I begotten thee” (R.V.). According to this passage, Christ is declared to be the Son of God and begotten in the day of the eternal decree. This is, in effect, a statement that Christ is eternally the Son of God as the decree itself is eternal. He is not only declared a Son from eternity but begotten from eternity.
Some have interpreted this passage prophetically on the ground that the context is prophetic. It is rather that the prophesied victory is on the ground of His sonship.
The passage in Psalms 2:7 is quoted three times in the New Testament (Acts 13:33; Heb 1:5; 5:5 ). The Acts passage deals with the fact of Christ being raised up to be the incarnate Savior.
In Hebrews 1:5, the appeal is made to the majesty of Christ as that above the angels because He is the Son of God. The appointment of Christ to the priesthood by the Father is said to be added to His sonship in Hebrews 5:5.
All three of the citations in the New Testament draw on Psalm 2:7 for proof of the unique status of Christ and confirm rather than deny His eternal sonship. Further evidence for eternal sonship is found in the fact that Christ is represented as already the Son of God when given to the world (John 3:16, 17; Gal 4:4).