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CAN a demonized person deliver him/her self from
the demons on their own?
Do we have a Biblical example of self deliverance?
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I’ve had to bind and command demons to leave me before and I would start yawning and and tearing up and horrible spit. So I would say so, I’ve been told before that can do deliverance on yourself, some call it spiritual warfare
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Any biblical models?
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Satan can’t cast out Satan
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Jesus is the delieverer. Holy spirit helps
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The Devil showed Jesus demonic visions. Jesus quoted scripture to the Devil and the Devil left Him. On another occasion, He said, “Get thee behind me Satan.”
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Hezekiah was under a sentence of death, he cried the wept he prayed. God heard him and delivered him.
David too he agonized in prayer. More than once. And sick unto death from the sounds of it.
And the hebrew boys, Daniel too and Esther, they was all under a death sentence. You may say they was alright, meaning their spiritual condition, but when death is foul and murderous, be sure that old devil sticking his nose in where it don’t belong.
And you may as well say pornography or drinking or lying is death. Isn’t that right? sin will kill you sure as cigarettes and getting behind the wheel drunk. Many a soul fell asleep drunk and woke up in hell. Don’t kid yourself repent while you still can
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Any biblical example ???
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Isn’t there a sin that leads to death for which we should not pray?
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which one would that be? any ideas of 7 mortal sins
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Peter, Paul, Solomon, David, Samson, should i continue.
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Not self deliverance but Jesus. You give no credit to Jesus. Why?
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yes you should with specific BIBLE verses
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Casting out can only be done thru the power of Christ so….it’s HIM that’s does it.
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What about my venial sins and fibs
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If Jesus could save us without us even hearing the gospel thanhe could deliver us too
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yes Daniel J Hesse why you give no praise to Jesus đ
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With every breath I give Him all the praise, honor, and glory!!!
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Veniel and mortal sins are a device of man all sin deserves death
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When I surrendered and called upon the name of Jesus the demon within me left me. There was just me and the Holy Ghost no other person. I cannot find specific scripture for support but I know it happened.
When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
Matthew 12:43â KJV
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There is one verse in the Bible that would make me say no. Thatâs where He said satan Canât cast out satan. I think itâs in John 1st chapter where it says Judas by transgression fell.
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Mark 3:23. How can satan. AST out satan.
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Here is the question I wanna ask? Are you asking everyone here cannot daemonic possessed person deliver them selves from all the demons? Iâm not trying to be rude or disrespectful. Iâm not even trying to ask a stupid question here? I am dyslexic so Iâm trying to comprehend your question before I answer it
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No
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No
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Paul L. King there seems to be an overwhelming response in this discussion saying No is the right answer; however, given some experiences and your expertise, it will be beneficial for many to hear your Scriptural stand on on this issue. It also may help to discuss TB Joshua with his theology and praxis in a separate post as his influence in deliverance ministry in Africa and some of Europe is pretty strong
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Demons are no greater in Africa than anywhere else. I am not guessing, I have been there. No one can cast a demon out of themself. It doesn’t even make sense. How would you cast a demon out of yourself? The topic is obviously being driven from novices. I have been in deliverance with people who could not even pray because every time they tried one of the demons cried out! This is not some trivial topic. I don’t know TB Joshua, but I do know that I have been in his area of the country and I have way more questions than I see answers from him. That is the view from my porch…
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Just curious how Jesus taught about deliverance.
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I did.
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I’ve read about supposed ‘alien abductions’ that were cut short when the victims would rebuke the ‘aliens’ in the name of Jesus or call on the name of Jesus.
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Nelson Banuchi what kind of demon was it?
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The answer is no they cannot. I personally have had done daemonic deliverances out of people in Brazil and also America. Nobody even in scripture that a person can deliver them selves out of demons either.
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Isara Mo NO – to what?
that there is NO deliverance at all
that a Christian cannot be demonized?
that one cannot cast a demon from themselves ?
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No human can deliver anyone form a demon. Only the power of God can deliver ANYONE for the power of satan. SO the answer to the question is NO!
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First of all if a person is has demons in them they are not saved or born again, so no they can not deliver themselves.
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As I have stated already I have done myself personally daemonic deliverances including healing. But itâs not by my power or not that Iâm any special either. Itâs true God using me to help deliver that person from the demons. Man himself cannot take on Satan by no means. We are no match against Satan on are own. Itâs only through the power of the Holy Spirit it also being born again that we can take him on.
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No dobt it is JESUS who ultimately delivers BUT how can a person who is demonized delivered on their own by Jesus? Wouldnt that disregard the whole point of deliverance ministry ?
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We miss the responsibility we have in helping the delivered to thoroughly furnish their houses. Cleaned and empty leaves the delivered in a place of greater vulnerability. Maybe, this is the place of discipleship?
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You were right on when you say that as well. What youâre stating is so true and I love it
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the BIBLE says demonized – not possessed which is a KJV deviation and has messed up half of the Western world
is there a Scripture that says, “if a person is has demons in them they are not saved or born again.”
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I wonder if we misunderstand the term born again here in America in the 21st Century
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I wonder if we understand the term demonized fully
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9 Types of Deliverance (maybe more)
Type 1: Deliverance from sin/hellâsalvation by Jesus
⢠Col. 1:13âHe delivered us from the authority (exousia) of darkness)
⢠1 Thess 1:10âdelivered us from the wrath to come
Type 2: Prayer for deliverance: âAnd lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evilââMatt 6:13 Total dependency on God as the source and power of deliverance
Type 3: Cast off the old way of life (Eph. 4:22, 25)
⢠Falsehood âEph 4:22
⢠bitterness & wrath & anger & clamor & slander be removed [airĹ] from you, along with all maliceâEph 4:31
⢠âanger, rage, malice, slander, filthy talkâCol 3:8
⢠the works of darkness (Rom. 13:12)
⢠every weight (Heb. 12:1)
⢠âfilthiness & rampant wickednessâ James 1:21
⢠all malice and all deceit and hypocrisy and envy and slander of every kind,–1 Peter 2:1
Type 4: Rebuking sin, demons
⢠rebuke works of darknessâEph 5:11
Type 5: Binding and loosingâMatt 16:19
⢠Binding spirits
⢠Loosing from bondage
⢠Binding strongmanâMatt. 12:29
Type 6: Cast down (2 Cor. 10:3-5)
⢠Strongholds
⢠Imaginations
⢠Every high thing exalted against God
Type 7: Bring every thought captive to the obedience of Christâ2 Cor. 10:5
Type 8: Cast out (ekballo) of yourself
⢠log out of your own eye– Matt 7:5
⢠if your eye causes you to sin, throw (ekbale it away)ââMark 9:47
Type 9: Cast out evil spirit (with help of others if necessary)
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Perhaps the illustration of a roach infestation will help understand the concept of the possibility of demons within a believer and “self-deliverance” vs. deliverance through others: Roaches may infest a house. They don’t own the house. But they can cause uncleanness and havoc in the house. You can spray the house (self-deliverance). But if the infestation is too severe, you may need to call in an exterminator.
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No we cannot delieveryyouur self .
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Onde estou??
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ARE they possessed or oppressed?
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I cover this topic along with several others in my new book-
You can pre-order it now-
https://www.amazon.com/Casting-Out-Devils-Supernatural-Deliverance/dp/0768448379
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Fastinf
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Chad Macdonald since we are not going to buy your book just give us the brief version here brother
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Paul L. King I believe a believer cannot be “infested”. There is a hedge about me. The Holy Spirit is within me. I am a Child of God. The flesh may urge me to get outside the hedge but I’m following the still small voice that says “this is the way, walk in it.”
The sinner may be infested but this temple of the Holy Spirit cannot be.
INFESTED in British – adjective: invaded by parasites
Example
The prison is infested with rats.
Collins English Dictionary. Copyright Š HarperCollins Publishers
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I FOR on dont see it happening
Yes any person COULD and should pray for Jesus to deliver him/her BUT a fully demonized person like I’ve seen them I just dont see it happening – its like saying that a crack addict can kick the habit on their own – it could be I just havent seen it yet Joe Absher
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Demons cant cast out demons
RichardAnna Boyce
no, an unbeliever is delivered by the DELIVERED ONE the moment they believe in Jesus to guarantee them eternal life. As a believer they can never be demonised.
Isara Mo
RichardAnna Boyce
Disagree completely with the two of you.
I agree that an UNBELIEVER can’t deliver themselves or orhers
as witnessed in the case of the sons of Sceva but need Jesus IN THEM to exercise the RIGHT to cast out a demon(demons) in themselves.
Eternal life doesnt guarantee demonic detoxication..that is why the Bible tells the believer to work out their salvation.
A man with a tummy goes to a gym to work out the fat in them..I dont see ANYWAY how the tummy go away without a workout..
A believer needs to work out his salvation including demonic de toxification ..
RichardAnna Boyce
Isara Mo a demon cannot exist inside the spirit of a believer; because a believer is filled with Holy Spirit the moment they believe. Agree that a demon can trouble a believer; but answer is not detoxification/ deliverance, but renewing of mind. We believers live/work out our salvation FROM deliverance not TOWARD deliverance.
RichardAnna Boyce
we focus on, and rest in, the finished work of THE DELIVERER; not focus on, or work on, improving ourselves.
Isara Mo
RichardAnna Boyce
May I tentatively ask your view(s) of what is the FINISHED WORK OF THE DELIVERER?…
Perhaps a correct answer to that question may help me understand my misconceptions or skewed ideas of demonolgy…
Does a believer become SINLESS at conversation? I mean is he or she washed TOTALLY OF HER OR HIS SINS at conversation?
If the answer is YES then why sanctification?
If the answer is NO then the Holy Spirit does co exist with sin and if sin is of the devil or from the devil then co existence of light and darkness in a human.being is very real.
Why IMPROVE YOURSELF when the work is finished?
Improve from what to what…?
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce Robert Borders Rico Hero I am glad to see you taking issue on this OP though I am still waiting on your NIV comments to come up as I took quite the time to study you copy paste posts
This current OP comes with a case study we;ve been looking at along with Joe Absher Paul L. King and Isara Mo recently of a lady who is taking over a church with testimony of self deliverance which we except Isara Mo have come up to doubt quite a bit I will await their responses before submitting this weeks developments in the case study as I am also awaiting your comments on the NIV topic soon
RichardAnna Boyce
i replied on NIV. I prefer to use NKJV and sometimes AMP. I have only read problems with NIV, and copy pasted what i’ve read. I dont know any greek, and don’t know difference between greek and turkish đ
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce none of the links in your replies were working so the discussions stopped there with about 5 questions waiting on you https://www.facebook.com/groups/pentecostaltheologygroup/permalink/2461198373935163/
RichardAnna Boyce
ok you can go to faithalone.org and go to search, type in NIV, and read them there
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce there is no such site
This site canât be reached
faithorg.comâs server DNS address could not be found.
DNS_PROBE_FINISHED_NXDOMAIN
RichardAnna Boyce
Troy Day sorry im sleepy after red fruity wine with dinner đ
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce you need to read my comments under the NIV post – your site dont open period
Shane Bellamy
No they require Jesus. Nobody can deliver themselves or anyone it has to be done in Jesus name.
Isara Mo
Shane Bellamy
When a believer has migraine he prays a short prayer ” In the name of Jesus you spirit of migraine go…”
Isnt that self deliverance?..
On a higher note when we do mass deliverance whereby a minister leads a congregation in a prayer point session with words like..” You demon(unclean spirit) from my father/ mothers household affecting my finances, out in the name of Jesus…” is indicative and proof of self deliverance..
There is an old clip by Win Worley whereby he leads the church in a mass deliverance prayer and there are so many demonic manifestation and casting out..
That is SELF DELIVERANCE..
I really dont see any valid scriptural point in urguing against the case..
Shane Bellamy
Isara Mo “For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.” Matthew 18:20 (KJV)
Canât do it without Jesus granted authority. Therefore it is not self deliverance.
It is deliverance in the name of Jesus.
The demons obey the authority of Jesus. Someone who is present that speaks in the name of Jesus. It can be yourself or another person.
“And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;” Mark 16:17 (KJV)
Isara Mo
Shane Bellamy
I think the question should have been re phrased like this ”
Can a believer in Jesus deliver himself (by own prayer)of his demons?..
That would have resolved a lot …
Shane Bellamy
Isara Mo yes it would have!! but the question wasnât asked like that!!
Varnel Watson
Joe Absher you know about the case study as much as we know and waiting its development The NEW this week is that after not attending for awhile and asked on FB as of why the person has promised to return on Sunday At the same time the church announced testimony service planned It will probably contain the persons testimony of new self deliverance Isara Mo jezebel in church @ its best
Joe Absher
The church that’s alive
.. is worth the drive
Varnel Watson
a cliche is sign for decay and the very reason for nepotism
Joe Absher
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Paula Young
Fast and pray
Isara Mo
Paula Young
Fast pray ..cast out the demon
Varnel Watson
more info to come soon …
RichardAnna Boyce
Isara Mo CHANGE OR EXCHANGE?
Religion teaches that to be accepted by God we must change first.
Godâs word is not change, but exchange. On the cross a wonderful exchange took place. Our sin was imputed to Christ and He bore its wrath; and Godâs righteousness in Christ
was imputed to us, by faith. Our identity is that we are righteous.
Even when we fall into sin our identity does not change.
Why? Because our identity is not based upon what we have done, or what we do now, but upon who Christ is. God does not judge us on our merits, but on the merits of His Son.
Religions teach that sanctification leads to justification, Christianity reverses that. Justification, which is by grace through faith in Christ, is the key to sanctification.
He âjustifies the ungodlyâ (Rom.4:5 NKJV), then we have Holy Spirit power to be holy.
The first few chapters of the epistles to the Ephesians, Romans and Colossians tell
believers who they are in Christ.
Then on the basis of our new identity, we are exhorted to walk worthy of our calling/status. Christian counselling should communicating the truth of the believerâs identity in Christ.
Knowing this truth will set counselees free to walk in victory and obedience.
Rom 6 moves from positional truth to practical truth. Position always leads to possession. Position needs to be explained and understood before appropriation can take place.
Being âin Christâ means being joined to Him, or, made one with Him. âbaptised into Christâ
The consequence of the believerâs spiritual union with Christ is that we partake with Him in His death, burial and resurrection (Rom.6:3-5). Christâs identity is now ours.
When He died we died with Him. God has no program for behaviour modification.
Since we received our sin nature and sin status by birth, we can only lose it is by death.
We were also buried with Christ, removed from the kingdom of darkness and sinâs power. Having âdied to sinâ (6:2) does not mean Christians do not sin. We are also still tempted.
They are no longer slaves to the dominant power of that kingdom, which is sin.
âYou are no longer under the control of the power of sin. Christ has set you free! You are free not to sin. You can choose not to sin.â
âFor he who has died has been freed from sinâ (Rom.6:7 – NKJV). âFor sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under graceâ (Rom.6:14 – NKJV).
Christ never stayed in the tomb, likewise we were raised with Him to newness of life Ro 6:4. We now live in a new spiritual realm called âthe kingdom of the Son of His loveâ (Col.1:13). We have turned âfrom darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to Godâ (Acts 26:18 ). In the kingdom of light another power to sin rules in this kingdom, the power of grace.
RichardAnna Boyce
CHANGE OR EXCHANGE?
Religion teaches that to be accepted by God we must change first.
Godâs word is not change, but exchange. On the cross a wonderful exchange took place. Our sin was imputed to Christ and He bore its wrath; and Godâs righteousness in Christ
was imputed to us, by faith. Our identity is that we are righteous.
Even when we fall into sin our identity does not change.
Why? Because our identity is not based upon what we have done, or what we do now, but upon who Christ is. God does not judge us on our merits, but on the merits of His Son.
Religions teach that sanctification leads to justification, Christianity reverses that. Justification, which is by grace through faith in Christ, is the key to sanctification.
He âjustifies the ungodlyâ (Rom.4:5 NKJV), then we have Holy Spirit power to be holy.
The first few chapters of the epistles to the Ephesians, Romans and Colossians tell
believers who they are in Christ.
Then on the basis of our new identity, we are exhorted to walk worthy of our calling/status. Christian counselling should communicating the truth of the believerâs identity in Christ.
Knowing this truth will set counselees free to walk in victory and obedience.
Rom 6 moves from positional truth to practical truth. Position always leads to possession. Position needs to be explained and understood before appropriation can take place.
Being âin Christâ means being joined to Him, or, made one with Him. âbaptised into Christâ
The consequence of the believerâs spiritual union with Christ is that we partake with Him in His death, burial and resurrection (Rom.6:3-5). Christâs identity is now ours.
When He died we died with Him. God has no program for behaviour modification.
Since we received our sin nature and sin status by birth, we can only lose it is by death.
We were also buried with Christ, removed from the kingdom of darkness and sinâs power. Having âdied to sinâ (6:2) does not mean Christians do not sin. We are also still tempted.
They are no longer slaves to the dominant power of that kingdom, which is sin.
âYou are no longer under the control of the power of sin. Christ has set you free! You are free not to sin. You can choose not to sin.â
âFor he who has died has been freed from sinâ (Rom.6:7 – NKJV). âFor sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under graceâ (Rom.6:14 – NKJV).
Christ never stayed in the tomb, likewise we were raised with Him to newness of life Ro 6:4. We now live in a new spiritual realm called âthe kingdom of the Son of His loveâ (Col.1:13). We have turned âfrom darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to Godâ (Acts 26:18 ). In the kingdom of light another power to sin rules in this kingdom, the power of grace.
RichardAnna Boyce
Appropriating Godâs Grace
There are four key words Paul uses in Romans 6 that enable counsellors to share with others how to appropriate the grace of God, and so to walk in victory over sin.
Know (Rom.6:3) Believe (Rom.6:8) Reckon (Rom.6:11) Present (Rom.6:13)
1) Know. âDo you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ were baptized into His death?- that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we should walk in newness of life. For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrectionâ (Rom.6:3-5).
We must know a truth before it can set us free.
Paul also prayed that the saints would receive a revelation of them (see Eph.1:15-23).
As counsellors we need to ask those we counsel:
âDo you know the powerful truth of being in union with Christ?
Do you understand that you died and were buried with Christ, and that this delivered you out of the realm where sin reigned?
Do you know, too, that you were raised to a new life in Christ and that you now live in another spiritual kingdom where grace (Godâs ability in the place of your inability) is available to you for every need you will ever have?â
We must take time to explain it repetitively so they understand it to get a revelation of it.
Knowing these things is the first step to victory.
2) Believe. âNow if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Himâ Rom.6:8
Jesus has two ministries on earth and heaven. We were saved by believing in what Jesus accomplished for us during His earthly ministry, i.e. His death and resurrection.
We will only know freedom from sin and the power to live righteously,
when we believe in His heavenly ministry seated on the throne of grace supplying grace
and strength to help in time of need to all who come to Him in faith (Heb.4:16).
Whenever we show a client how Christ is the answer to his need, if he continues to talk about his problem he is, at that moment, an unbelieving believer.
He believes Christ for his salvation, but not for his present needs.
When he ceases to focus on his need and focus on Christ he becomes a believing believer.
Sadly, there are many
unbelieving believers looking for someone to justify his right to feel the way he does.
The Holy Spirit works through biblical counsellors to bring the counselee to a place of trust in Christ for all his needs. The just live by faith. Christ is our life (Col.3:4). and as we run the race that is set before us we are to look unto Jesus
who is the author and the finisher of our faith (Heb.12:1&2).
3) Reckon. âLikewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin,
but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lordâ (Rom.6:11 NKJV).
Reckon means âto conclude; to deduct; to make a proper Scriptural assessment of yourselfâ.
âconsiderâ ourselves to be who and what we are, and to live accordingly.
The Bible says we are dead to the reign of sin, and we must live as such.
When in the kingdom of God, live as kings no longer slaves, but sons and daughters of God.
4) Present. âDo not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin,
But present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead,
and your members as instruments of righteousness to Godâ (Rom.6:13 – NKJV).
Our bodies, like those of unbelievers, are mortal (Rom.6:12). They are subject to death. They have not yet come under the redemption of Christ (Rom.8:23; Phil.3:21).
This leaves us with a problem: our new nature is living in an old body.
The body is not evil. It is not the source of sin, but it is the organ sin uses to manifest itself.
Though sin remains in our body, our new nature is not under sin but under grace.
Our new nature enables us to check sin in our body and prevent it from reigning there.
Sin may be as enticing as before, but it no longer reigns over us.
If we sin now it is because we choose to sin, not because we have to (1 Cor.10:13).
On the basis of our new position in Christ and of our freedom from sinâs power,
we are to present the members of our bodies as instruments of righteousness.
Through these four keys of knowing, believing, reckoning and presenting,
the Christian counsellor is able to share the dynamic truth of the believerâs victory over sin.
Paul L. King
This is typical Keswick holiness teaching taught by Watchman Nee, Jessie Penn Lewis, J. Hudson Taylor, and others, but they also cast demons out of believers. Most famous is Hudson Taylor’s deliverance of Pastor Tsi’s wife, and Penn-Lewis’s controversial book “War on the Saints.”
Varnel Watson
well now NOT just Keswick now
Varnel Watson
free grace seems to have adopted a LOT of the wrong things in Pentecostalism
Nelson Banuchi
You’ve asked this before, haven’t you.
I’ll just briefly say that, if personal experience is any indication, I’d have to answer “yes” to the OP question.
Varnel Watson
we introduced the topic along a NEW case study – have you got the chance to read it yet?
Nelson Banuchi
Troy Day Haven’t read it. Where is it? I don’t see anything on the Pentecostal Theology website…
Varnel Watson
you dont see ANYTHING? đ with 7,000 posts and 50,000 discussions you must see SOMETHING đ
Nelson Banuchi
Troy Day I thought it was an article I was to read. I’m not gonna read through all that!
Varnel Watson
Nelson Banuchi I posted a brief REcap for you just below Scroll Read Comment
Varnel Watson
Isara Mo I still saw NO on this one – and the case study proves to me that no matter how much they testify the demon is still there
I would like to REcap for Nelson Banuchi who was late for class again
Joes case study didnt indicate the lady had ANY ILL MOTIVES and perhaps she didnt even know she had demons but by what happened at the door I might politely say the âthings inside of herâ ie the powers of darkness in her might have been very malicious such that God had to block her before she mixed herself with the congregation.
Strong witches do have covers for themselves and only the Lord or the really annointed servants of God can arrest or expose such as these..
Some demons are very smart and depart their victims when enter church and wait until.they leave church to re enter them.
Possibly the lady in Joes case study didnt know they had reached the militarized zone..?
THIS IS WHAT we know from the case study by Joe Absher in a more orderly way under this post asking the questions
1. spiritual warfare â do we fight such or do we live
2. can we accept and allow just any such without deeper review just to justify church growth initiative
3. which gift has more weight â knowing the spirit or gift of wisdom in action to operate in the situation and protect the flock
Iâve seen many cases where the person gets slammed at the church door arrested by the Holy Ghost who does not permit them to enter the sanctuary all and while church folk aint got a clue no more
Its the old question can a Christian have a demon. Been tossed back and forth here for years.
A lady, 6 months ago comes to church â
The Holy Ghost slams her at the door â she never entered the church sanctuary. starts jerking â her husband says its seizureâs but it was clear it was a demon.
she never shows up again. until months later â all dressed up â asks for the mic right off the bat to testify.
Sayâs she was oppressed not possessed because Christians cannot be possessed.
but she could feel the demon spirit. She was always depressed. never wanted to come out of the house. for months.
friends went to visit a week ago â prayed anointed her with olive oil â she has been saved for 30 years but never filled with the spirit FELT she was filled with the spirit right then.
testified in church prayed for people laid hands jumped all over the place screamed at the alter saying revival has already come. should she be allowed to do that?
Paul L. King then clarified
Demon, mental illness or both. I have seen them all. We had an incident in our church just a few weeks ago. A young man came in, was worshipping the Lord, hands raised, holding a Bible, then fell, hitting a table, then starting shouting the Lordâs Prayer, then as he was being escorted out of the church by a male nurse an an EMT in our congregation, he was shouting he was a prophet of God. An ambulance carried him off. Didnât have opportunity to minister to him, but later found out he has some drug background and his brother died 6 weeks earlier, so it appeared to be a combination of drugs, psychotic break, and demonic.
Isara Mo then responded to
Blessed be bother Joe and even more blessed Doctor King for always keeping afloat such a very important subjectâŚ
The 3 questions posted above and the case studies of Doc King and Brother Joe show that a person has a responsibilty for their own spritual.growth which is foundational for the whole church growth.In the process of personal growth fightsâ an own warfareâŚI think is a very important part of getting to a higher level of â fightingâ warfare OUT OF HIM..or battling the forces of evil in the spritual realm.
A lifestyle of personal holiniess and divine knowledge and impartation of the same to other members would see the involvement of church in spritual warfare.
Lifestyles only are not enough .There need to fight.There is cause to fight but as you have posted the question of HOW TO FIGHT remains elusive.
We might have many many schemes and plans and âstrategies warfareâ teachings which are â human.based or quasi spritualâ which may have no effect at all against the kingdom.of darkness.
So it boils down to the third question postedâŚWhither best GIFT?
An overview of the Book of Acts of the Holy Spirit not of the apostles show that ALL SPRITUAL GIFTS ARE NEEDEDâŚin the spritual warfare..and church growth..
Yes a church CAN GROW without any shots fired ie without any spiritual warsâŚ
IMO Even Link Hudson would agree THAT a jezebel spirit should NOT be allowed to profit prophetically from the church AND I am not merely saying this but drawing directly from one of his many posts on prophecy where he explains how the gift of gift of tongues is prophecy or something similar in his video which I cant find on the internet any longer but am quoting from memory until he posts again
Varnel Watson
Nelson Banuchi I see you took no time to study the case Maybe I should listen to Isara Mo and present it in bulleted style for all to understand it – life LIFE it is NO simple matter
Varnel Watson
Joe Absher I may do it as a separate topic too but NOT before we setup William DeArteaga with his blog this week
George Hartwell
Lots of theory.
Varnel Watson
give us the practical way out pls