BROWNSVILLE REVIVAL DELIVERANCE NAR MANUALS

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A BIBLICAL CRITIQUE OF BROWNSVILLE ASSEMBLY OF GOD DELIVERANCE MANUAL https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/a-biblical-critique-of-brownsville-assembly-of-god-deliverance-manual/

Endnotes

1.http://hometown.aol.com/godswaitn/genealgy/index.htm.

  1. C. Peter Wagner and Douglas Pennoyer,Wrestling With Dark Angels: Toward a Deeper Understanding of the Supernatural Forces in Spiritual Warfare (Ventura Calif.: Regal Books, 1990), 125–159, especially 158,159.
  2. Derek Prince, Blessing or Curse: You Can Choose (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1990), 32,33; also see 17–20 where the wording and examples given make it clear that the author is referring to Christians.
  3. Ibid., 38.
  4. Rebecca Brown, Prepare for War (Chino, Calif.: Chick Publications, 1987), 106.
  5. Ibid., 109.
  6. Ibid., 294,295.
  7. Teresa Castleman in Brownsville Assembly of God Deliverance Manual (Pensacola: Brownsville Assembly of God, 1996–97) 25.
  8. http://www.yourgoingtohell.com/curse.html.
  9. Ibid.
  10. Ibid.

12. Examples of readily accessible information are: Walter Kaiser and others, Hard Sayings of the Bible (Downers Grove, Ill.: InterVarsity Press, 1996), 178; Norman Geisler and Thomas Howe, When Critics Ask: A Popular Handbook on Bible Difficulties

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Related Identities

 

Michael Brown NAR Timeline 00-18

Before we do so, we need to return to the topic of the New Order of the Latter Rain to understand why Michael Brown was expelled from Brownsville. We also must consider this quote from the leader of the NAR then (now deceased):

Wagner Quote - Recognizing Apostles

 

Otis, Wagner and the Transformations Revival

By prof. J. S. Malan, University of the North, South Africa, and

Ms. Louisa Coetzee, Cape Town, South Africa

Summary: The “Transformations Revival” as championed by George Otis and Peter Wagner is a dispensationally ill-conceived attempt to uproot the kingdom of darkness and visibly establish the kingdom of God on earth.

A false revival based on Peter Wagner and George Otis’ concepts of spiritual mapping and spiritual warfare also practiced in mass rallies on stadiums, has already been established in South Africa. The video, Transformations, by George Otis, has been widely distributed, recommended and showed throughout South Africa to introduce people to this strange kind of spiritual warfare techniques used by ecumenists and reconstructionists.

The seduction of Christianity is often very subtle and various Christian principles are targeted. The devil has already succeeded to infiltrate evangelical and charismatic Christendom through seduction to follow after a counterfeit  revival. He follows the well-proved methods against which Paul warned Christians in the first century:

“For I am jealous over you with a godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him” (2 Cor.11:2-4).

Jesus is still preached by these new spiritual leaders, but the message of the Cross is not central to their preaching. Through a reinterpretation of the meaning and significance of the Cross, Jesus is changed into another Jesus. The heart of the gospel message is twisted that the emphasis on sin and the inherent sinful nature of man is shifted to the sin of the community, the city, or nations that are ruled by Satan. The solution to this problem is not personal regeneration but spiritual warfare enforced by a united, ecumenical Christendom against the kingdom of Satan. It is evident that another spirit is manifested during such meetings. It is the spirit of the “angel of light”, who gives new revelations and new interpretations of the Bible, resulting in a new concept of revival. It is the spirit of unity at all cost. This spirit operates in the sphere of feeling, especially during mass rallies where emotions are stirred and a warm, corporate feeling of love binds all people together. These experiences do not depend on any revelation of Scripture. People are not convicted of personal sin and unrighteousness, but the blame for all the problems that exist is rather shifted to communal sins and to the devil and his hierarchy of demons who are viewed as the instigators of every wrong act.

The following six methods or steps are followed in this counterfeit revival:

1. ’A New Vision

new vision for revival as a solution to all the problems of the country and the world originates from one or more key persons. Drastical Christian reforms in the community are necessary to achieve this revival.  “New revelations” from God to high profile spiritual leaders, or self appointed prophets, accompany this new vision. They see themselves as God’s anointed to bring about the desired transformation and to take command with great authority, tolerating no opposition or exhortation.

2. Unity at all Cost

Unity is essential and must be achieved amongst all believers in their town, city or community. All divisions, differences and condemnations must be laid aside. The doctrinal basis for their unity is so accommodating, that evangelical Christians, charismatics, Zionists and Catholics feel themselves all at home. Ecumenical mass meetings and prayer marches are demonstrations of their unity.

3. Spiritual Mapping

A practice of pinpointing the most important methods that Satan can use to obtain power over other people, e.g. unbelief, superstition, sorcery, ancestor worship, gambling, abortion, crime, drunkenness, drug smuggling, murder and war sites, etc. By means of spiritual mapping, trouble points are marked on a map (often with pins) and demons or demonic strongholds may be identified and targeted through spiritual warfare for attack.

4. Spiritual warfare

The breakdown of demonic strongholds is practiced with the new method of “strategic spiritual warfare”. During prayer meetings the demons are rebuked, bound and cast out in the Name of Jesus. Gatekeepers are appointed to guard the entrances to the city, in order that the exorcised demons may not return. The city is claimed for Jesus, and the demons may not re-enter to mislead people.

5. The expansion of the Christendom

The quick expansion of Christianity will occur as soon as the strongholds and power of Satan are broken. There will then be no more inhibiting factors, spiritual deception or stumbling blocks preventing people from joining churches in large numbers and serve the Lord. Christians will also be appointed into key posts, e.g. in municipalities or government departments with local offices. In this way Christianity will thrive and functioning under ideal conditions.

6. Development and prosperity

The transformation or reconstruction of the whole community will realize in the political, social educational and economic areas. Prosperity, stability and freedom of crime will prevail and all will be able to live in peace and harmony. The subversive power of darkness will be broken and the children of God will reclaim the power and dominion that the Lord gave to Adam and was lost during the Fall.

The movement that strives for this “revival” is getting enormous momentum – also in South Africa. To better understand the movement’s principles and approaches a closer look should be taken of at least two of its leaders, and also to the Transformations video that is used to mislead many people into applying the above methods.

C. Peter Wagner

Peter Wagner is the Head of Global Harvest Ministries with their office in the World Prayer Center in Colorado Springs, USA. He is the leading person in the new movement for Strategic Spiritual Warfare. Wagner defined three levels of spiritual warfare:

  1. Ground Level: Person-to-person, praying for each other’s personal needs.
  2. Occult Level: deals with demonic forces released through activities related to Satanism, witchcraft, astrology and many other forms of structured occultism.
  3. Strategic-Level or Cosmic-Level: To bind and bring down spiritual principalities and powers that rule over governments.

Wagner makes a lot of point 3 above. He says that the Satan sends senior demons from of the hierarchy of evil spirits to control countries, regions, tribes, communities, residential areas and social networks in the world. Their main aim is to prevent the glorifying of God in their areas. They appoint demons of a lower rank to strengthen them in their attacks.

This false teaching originates from the sect The Manifest Sons of God. One of their apostles, Francis Frangipane, said: “There are satanic strongholds over countries and communities; there are strongholds which influence churches and individuals…. These fortresses exist in the thought patterns and ideas that govern individuals… as well as communities and nations. Before victory can be claimed, these strongholds must be pulled down, and Satan’s armor removed. Then the mighty weapons of the Word and the Spirit can effectively plunder Satan’s house.” The Latter Rain also holds this viewpoint.

Wagner moved through a certain course of compromise and decline to get to his present theological position.  He was born in 1930 and began his career as a conservative Christian. In 1970 he joined ranks with Fuller Seminarium where he became professor of World Missions. In 1974 he became a member of the Lausanne Committee for World Evangelisation.

During 1980, Wagner met John Wimber, founder of the Vineyard Movement. The Vineyard church became notorious for manifestations such as slain in the spirit, laughing in the spirit, etc., known also as the Toronto Blessing. Wagner was won over to the signs and wonders theology and its resulting charismatic revivals. He coined the term “third wave”.  Wagner says, “The first wave was the Pentecostal movement, the second, the Charismatics, and now the Third Wave is joining them.” The Third Wave are those conservative evangelicals now following after the signs and wonders movement.

Since then Wagner moved steadily in the direction of the Latter Rain and Manifested Sons of God theology as a result of his contact with ‘prophets’ like Paul Cain, Bill Hamon and Rick Joyner. He also made close contact with leaders from the Toronto/Brownsville Revival. Wagner wrote the preface for a book by Bill Hamon, “Apostles, prophets and the Coming Moves of God: God’s End-Time Plans for His Church and Planet Earth.”

Wagner is a leading person in the movement he himself describes as the “Post-Denminational Church” of the 21st century. Theological differences will fade and become obsolete as Christians become part of the new signs and wonders oriented apostolic reformation – the so-called New Apostolic Reformation. Prophets will receive divine visions concerning the body of Christ, which they will reveal to the Apostles. The Apostles will then pass the information to the pastors, teachers and evangelists who will proclaim the message to the world. This hierargy will be God’s representatives on earth. No opposition against this divine institution from God will be tolerated. [This sounds a lot like Roman Catholicism!]

George Otis Jr.

George Otis is president and founder of the research group the Sentinel, In Seattle. He also heads the AD 2000 United Prayer Track’s Spiritual Mapping Division. He was responsible for the production of the video Transformations and wrote, amongst many other books, Informed Intercession: Transforming your Community through Spiritual Mapping and Strategic Prayer. He visits cities worldwide and help pastors to gather information on the spiritual history and dynamics of their cities. They  gather detailed information on the status of Christianity, prevailing “social bondages,” any historical events that caused trauma, religions and philosophies that oppose Christianity, etc. Mass gatherings, prayer watches and prayer marches are arranged to pray strategic prayers against the strongholds of the enemy. When the powers of darkness are broken over the city, the spiritual genes (DNA) of the community are changed and revival can occur. Times of prosperity, growth and abundance will now follow.

There is something drastically wrong with the theology of George Otis, especially with reference to his view on Christ’s work of atonement. In lectures given to YWAM in Tacoma on Moral Government Theology, he made the following statements in this regard:

  • “God has positionally sanctified you and that you’re standing in Christ is something that is different from your actual state… Christ has not redeemed us by giving His life as a ransom for our sins in order that He might release us. If we accept the premise that Jesus literally purchased… our salvation with his blood… and He paid the Father… then this approach, first of all portrays God the Father as being vindictive and blood-thirsty and totally incompatible with biblical forgiveness.”
  • “Forgiveness… is the relaxation of a legitimate claim… it would be impossible for God to have, as one hymn put it, “paid the debt and forgave me all my sins.”
  • “The essence of Christ’s Atonement existed in His obedience to the moral law on behalf of sinners. Christ obeyed during his life the moral law for us and that’s really the essence of the Atonement.”
  • “Christ has not redeemed us by giving His life as a ransom for our sins in order that He might release us. God never kept man captive in sin. The truth is Christ paid no man’s debt.”
  • “If we accept the premise that Jesus literally purchased our salvation with His blood… and He paid the Father… then this approach portrays God the Father as being vindictive and blood-thirsty and totally incompatible with biblical forgiveness. It also presents another grave difficulty. If Jesus literally paid for our sins with His blood, and paid a debt that is no longer a debt, and He died for the sins of the whole world, then we [and the theological world] can only come to one conclusion, namely Universalism, which means that everybody will be saved.”
  • “The power of the cross, today, does not lie in some vague, abstract, ethereal cosmic transaction but rather in the literal subduing of the human heart. Let’s reverse things and let’s tell the Lord Jesus that when He comes to us, when He comes to his own, that we will receive Him, that we will take Him down off that cross.”

It is quite evident that George Otis repeatedly, totally and emphatically renounced the basic elements of the doctrine of salvation in Jesus Christ, namely Christ’s substitutionary death on the Cross for the remittance of our sins. In books that he wrote since the lectures were given, these fallacies are reconfirmed.

Sin, to him, is to be in demonic bondage or deception without reference to the effect of an inherent sinful nature. As solution to this spiritual bondage and deception, demons and their strongholds in a certain area must be identified, confronted in spiritual warfare, and dispelled from the area. As a result, people will seek the Lord and a great revival will occur.

The essence of Otis’ ministry is the spiritual mapping and warfare needed in the process of deliverance. As proof of for the feasibility and enormous success of this approach, he and his Sentinel Group produced the Transformations video, which is also widely distributed and shown in South Africa.

The Transformations video

The transformations video was produced by the Sentinel Group of George Otis. Peter Wagner, head of Global Harvest Ministries, is also a major role-player in the spiritual warfare movement (SWM) who promotes and teaches the techniques of spiritual warfare to thousands upon thousands people throughout the world. George Otis is the presenter of the Transformations video in which four communities are portrayed that were allegedly radically transformed through revivals brought about by the kind of spiritual warfare of the SWM.

In the video it is said that in each of these four communities strategic spiritual warfare was done prior to the revival. The results were big revivals and a total cultural transformation of the whole community. Since the release of the video various groups conducted research in these areas to verify the claims that were made. They found many of the claims exaggerated and often false. One of the best sources thus far concerning the accuracy of the claims, is Tom Smith’s home page in which he reports as follows:

Cali, Colombia

Claim: Drug cartels were defeated. For years, Colombia was the world’s largest Cocaine exporter (unstated implication is that this has changed). Cults have decreased. Cali is a “safe” city, where a significant percentage of the population is now safe and revival flourishes. Instead of a city where people lived in fear, people now safely walk the streets.

Reality: Six of the cartel leaders were jailed. The drug cartel reorganized, with two of the original leaders still operating from of Cali, one commanding his operation from prison. Other leaders of the drug cartel set up operations just outside Cali and in other parts of Colombia, and due to this de-centralization, the organization is more resilient. The rebels (who protect the drug trade) are still attacking churches in Cali, shutting down many. The church recently wanted to hold a pastors’ meeting in the local auditorium, but the police initially resisted the application because the risk of guerilla attack was too high. The Ekklesia newsletter carries a report in which they say: “FARC guerrillas also may view evangelicals as allies of the United States. The rebel group has closed churches, imposed a 6 p.m. curfew on services where it allows churches to meet, and banned public religious activity in a territory under its control, Esquivia said. The ELN, another rebel group, invaded a Catholic church in Cali and kidnapped 140 members two months ago” New reports are still continually received. This can be verified on www.cnn.com, search for Cali, Colombia. http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/traffickers/Colombia.htm and http://www.emergency.com/calipres.htm

Quotes from the US Drug Enforcement Agency: “Colombia-based drug traffickers are responsible for most of the world’s cocaine production and wholesale cocaine distribution, although traffickers from Mexico have assumed a much larger role in the transportation and distribution of cocaine. Colombia’s strategic location makes it a logical hub for cocaine trafficking…. Traffickers from Colombia have been able to solidify and expand their position in the U.S. heroin market by distributing high-quality heroin and by initially undercutting the price of their competitors. They also use marketing strategies, such as including free samples of heroin in cocaine shipments, in order to build a clientele. Trafficking groups operating in New York and Philadelphia even market their drug using brand names – like No Way Out and Death Wish – as a way to instill customer recognition and loyalty. These marketing techniques have allowed the traffickers from Colombia to expand and ultimately dominate the heroin market. In fact, the DEA’s Heroin Signature Program, which determines the origin of the heroin sold on the street, found that 65 percent (356 kilograms) of the heroin seized in the United States in 1998 was produced in Colombia.” http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/traffickers/Colombia.htm

Satanists are invading churches to shut them down. A quote from the newsletter of Ekklesia says: “Satanic groups are attacking churches and Christians, especially in Cali. Some churches have suffered repeated attacks, said Consuelo Zuluaga, a social worker of Justapaz.” http://www.bijbelnet.org/landen/colombia.html

According to the newsletters of Ruth Ruibal, the widow of the assassinated pastor Julio Ruibal (who is mentioned in the film), the situation in Cali is “a gross darkness”, a city where her church must hire armed guards and where the church must be protected by barbed wire (soon to be replaced by a 10-12 foot wall if permission is granted). Recently at another church in the city, a church bodyguard was killed when the church was attacked by guerillas protecting the drug trade. A quote from the October 1999 newsletter from Ruth Ruibal: “The church in Cali confirms the news that we receive through the media in the USA. Naturally speaking the political and economical situations seem to be going from bad to worse. In fact, the Sunday before I left for this trip, there was guerrilla infiltration in our church service.” The newsletter of Ekklesia, denomination for Ruibal’s church, confirms how bad the situation is. The assassin of Julio is free, and openly claiming to have killed Julio. He owns the land next to the church and is threatening to kill other family members. A quote from the Dec. 1999 newsletter written by Ruth Ruibal: “On the other hand, some days ago the man who continues to threaten us (and boasts in the street about killing Julio) started a new construction right next to our property. In the past he has tried to take over our land. Our simple barbed wire fencing had been knocked down, so we began to replace it. Immediately, the man began threatening the workers and several of our churchmen, shouting that he would “give us problems” with 50 hit men that he claims to have. He asked if we wanted there to be another death, and added that he will get the property (the entrance to our church) and block it. We have had to hire guards just to get the work done!”

Almolonga, Guatemala

Claim: 92% percent of the people are Christian. Large vegetables, increased production of 1000% over past 20 years. Researchers from all over the world are coming to study the produce, but the film doesn’t state the reasons for their research and the nature of their findings.

Reality: A spiritual revival occurs in this placeAccording to an article written by Stephen Sywulka (in Guatemala City) for Christianity Today, the figure of the people involved is exaggerated, and is more likely 65%. In many cases the change is only “skin deep”, with former witchdoctors now calling themselves “prophets” but they are doing much the same thing as before.

The war in Guatemala brought agriculture to a near standstill with fields being burned, people disappearing, and farmers being killed. The war, which lasted for 36 years, ended only in the early to mid-1990s and was therefore at its peak 20 years ago. Though we cannot say that this happened specifically to the Almolomga fields, the information that we have was that agriculture across all of Guatemala was impacted by the war. It is thus no wonder that if we compare the agriculture production over that period of time, it would have significantly increased. Secondly, the crops in Almolonga are notable in the health community, not for their size, but for the health problems that were caused by the excessive use of pesticides. This would have the effect of increasing the quantity and size of the produce, but with side effects. Third, the size of the produce depends upon many things, including the variety of seed used, and improved agriculture practices over the years. The film itself states that the agricultural output improved as the people worked harder. None of what they showed required anything supernatural. As one can see just from a quick search on Internet, researchers around the world are coming to Almolonga to study the health problems, which have resulted from the abuse of pesticides used to create bumper crops.

Kiambu, Kenya

Claim: People are flocking from Nairobi to live in Kiambu. A revival of Christianity has broken out across the city from “The Prayer Cave.”

Reality: A missionary with African Inland Missions (AIM) who returned to Canada in March says that she has not heard of any people flocking to Kiambu because they want to live there.

The Prayer Cave is a “Word of Faith” church, under the ministry of Rudi and Sharon Swanepoel. They do not teach Biblical Christian doctrine, but rather Word-Faith doctrine. On their website Swanepoel indicates that they were impacted by the ministries of preachers such as Rodney Howard Browne and his brother Gil. Rudi is an ordained minister of the Apostolic Faith Mission of South Africa. As can be seen in the film, they do support “drunkenness in the spirit” which is a sign related to the “Intoxicating Jesus” (who is not the Jesus of the Scriptures).

Hemet, California

Claim: Once 9 metaphetamine labs operated out of the area and most have been shut down. A 75% decrease in drug trade. Unity amongst the churches; Most cults have left town; decrease in crime, church attendance increase to 14% of the population (it doubled in 10 years). The crime rate is significantly lower.

Reality: In 1998, 20 of the 52 labs in the region were large-scale operations that could cook more than 20 pounds of methamphetamine in a day or two, according to state drug-lab statistics. Some labs make more than 100 pounds at a time. As the Central Valley methamphetamine problem grows, agents use new techniques to catch traffickers who change their operations to avoid detection, Pennal said. Investigators follow trails from the clues left behind when meth makers dump lab waste. Now, Pennal is organizing an expanded team funded with federal money received when the region was designated a High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area. The money will add six agents to fight meth in the Central Valley. Agents will have resources to do more than just react to labs, Pennal said. “We’re going to be able to conduct a lot of follow-up to dismantle these organizations,” he said (Published 1/23/2000).

Neither the churches contacted nor the authors of an article on the drug trade in S. California were aware of any such drop. Quote from one of the authors of the series on the drug trade in this area when he replied to my email: “I have not heard of the group or anyone in that area, including the police, talking about such a mind-boggling drop in drug use.” Quote from an email from a church in Hemet: “I do know there are many methamphetamine labs throughout our two-county area.” Newspaper stories on that situation can be found at http://www.inlandempireonline.com/meth” (See article “Inland Drug Empire”). A police contact in Hemet said: “I don’t know how they can measure a drop in the drug trade when the criteria for the measurement is not familiar to us. This is a new claim to me.”

I checked with a couple of churches in Hemet. One had not heard of any of the claims nor could they support the truth of any of the claims (including increased church attendance, drug use down, 1st street gang members saved, etc). They referred me to a newspaper article on the drug production and use in their area of S. California. The second church said that they had not seen the film but that God had promised to bring revival to the San Jacinto Valley. They did not confirm any of the claims and that wording appears to suggest that they are not aware of any “revival” in Hemet.

Police comment – “Like most cities in our nation, yes, the crime rate is measurably down.”

Demonstrations of Unity

The campaign to promote this kind of spiritual revivals continues and escalates. In many cities of the world prayer marches and ecumenical rallies in big stadiums demonstrate the unity of the deceived people. These rallies cost a lot of money while the real value of its achievements can be questioned. In their book March for Jesus, Kendrick, Coates, Forster and Green says:

“Each summer millions of Christians in 200 countries take to the streets worldwide for the annual March for Jesus. This includes tens of thousands of cross‑denominational church members. In Britain alone churches in over 40 cities will take part in their local March for Jesus (MFJ). Yet, for all of the visible witness and camaraderie of so many professing Christians ‘taking the walls off the church’ and happily walking the highways and byways of the land ‘for Jesus’ each year, there is still contention among Christians about the very nature and ethos of the March for Jesus itself.”

People probed for the reasons for their participation in the March, could not give satisfactory answers. Many say, “I do it for Jesus.” Others see it as an opportunity to witness or evangelise. But it is not that which is on the agenda of the organizers of the marches. The problem that should alert any mature Christian about these marches, is the main aim of the organizers, namely to involve everyone in spiritual warfare. Christian Research Network says:

“By spiritual warfare the March’s leaders mean direct spiritual warfare against geographical, ‘territorial spirits’ who, they maintain, reign over our cities. Secondly, if the detractors are right, then this kind of spiritual warfare is not only without biblical warrant but is specifically warned against in Scripture. This has real personal ramifications for every marcher. The chief stated objective of the March for Jesus is to change the spiritual atmosphere of the marched areas by claiming victory over the demons/evil spirits in that area. I am not aware of any statement or aim made by the MFJ leadership in Britain over recent years that has changed this central founding ethos.

“MFJ’s co‑founder Graham Kendrick’s says explicitly, ‘…direct evangelism has never been the primary purpose of the marches.’ So then we are told that evangelism is incidental. The March for Jesus book, written by the MFJ’s British co‑founders in 1992, clarifies the main reason for the March in a number of statements including, ‘Our objectives were first and foremost spiritual. We wanted to see a change in the spiritual atmosphere over our country.’

“Surprisingly, the co‑founders of the March openly admit they do no know what they are doing when they are engaged in spiritual warfare. Nevertheless, they do it.”

The Transformation Celebration held in Cape Town on the 21st of March 2001 in the Newlands stadium had similar motives. This is evident even from the name given to the gathering: Community Transformations Cape Town (CTCT), or the Cape Christian Celebration. This is also the objective of Michael Pierce’s Prayer Guide, God’s New Millenium for your City. About 50,000 people gathered in the Newlands stadium to claim the City of Cape Town for Jesus! But Cape Town’s community exist of people that ought to settle their relationship with God individually, not corporately. When one is born from above, the power of Satan is broken in your life. This is the Scriptural way. An ecumenical mass rally where emotions are stirred is not the ideal place where a repentant sinner can settle his case with God. The impact that such rallies have to change the spiritual climate of a city is also to be questioned.

The roll of NUPSA in South Africa

An organization promoting the cause of this strange spiritual warfare in South Africa is NUPSA – Network For United Prayer in Southern Africa, with Dr. Bennie Mostert as chairman.  He is a supporter of Peter Wagner’s spiritual warfare methods, promotes Wagner’s books and is affiliated to Wagner’s World Prayer Centre. He also has great admiration for George Otis and his Transformations video.

NUPSA has also become involved with the teachings of the ministry of Cleansing Stream. This comprises the new approach of spiritual warfare, but predominantly on a personal level. The principles are the same – the blame for problems are shifted from an individual to the devil and his demons that must consequently be exorcised – even from Christians! Spiritual problems are therefore not traced back to the flesh (the old sinful nature) with its passions and desires, but transferred to the devil and his demons.

Cleansing Stream found its way from America to us. Among the leading people in this ministry is Jack Hayford and Dr. Scott Bauer from The Church on the Way, and Joy Dawson of YWAM. It is claimed that the Lord will clean his church with wonders of healing and deliverance that will destroy the works of the devil. The view of Cleansing Stream is that salvation is not enough to cleanse people from demonic bindings and that other steps are required for full deliverance. They base this theory on the threefold nature of man – spirit, soul and body. According to them, only your spirit is made free at salvation; consequently demons may still hide themselves in your soul or body. You are then in need of spiritual warfare for full deliverance. According to them, you may also inherit demonic bonds, or curses, from your ancestors.

Of course, people helped by this ministry give wonderful testimonies. This is however not a valid argument to justify their ministry biblically. There are people making the same claims with regard to the blessings allegedly received from participation in the Toronto phenomenon or the Alfa course. In 2 Thessalonians 2:11 we read: “And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.” That is indeed the case.

Lesson nr. 9 from Cleansing Stream teaches intercessory warfare. This includes the discovery and identification of demons with the aid of “power encounters and spiritual mapping techniques, followed by exorcising them from the people (including Christians), buildings, and even whole cities and nations.” If this technique is so efficient, why does it need to be done repeatedly?

This ministry also promotes Word of Faith teachings by suggesting that there is power in our words: “Power is released through our tongue… every word that comes from my mouth is either a blessing or a curse.”  Under the heading “Words” they say:” We can learn how the mouth of the prophet [that’s you] delivers him or herself.” This is a self-redemption teaching.

NUPSA uses the error of Cleansing Stream for their approach to small groups. They are working on national strategies for the spiritual cleansing of the country and to organize worship-marches to neighbouring countries.

The reaction from Bennie Mostert

A lady from Cape Town, who knows about the non-biblical teachings and undecurrents in the NUPSA stratagems due to their association with Peter Wagner, George Otis and others, contacted Dr. Bennie Mostert via e-mail. (For more information you can contact her at <louisaclc@iafrica.com>). Dr. Mostert must have had good intentions initially, but how was he caught up in these “new teachings” and non-biblical methods? Relevant, basic information concerning the teachings of Otis and Wagner was submitted to him, and he reacted as follows:

“I do in no way agree with the accusations against Wagner… As for Otis I will have to read the material again, but that George denies the power of the blood and the atonement of Christ, is not correct… My advice to you is to destroy this material and not to distribute it. For a while I tried to defend and explain, but the problems only increase. I now concentrate the little strength that I have to build and to motivate people to pray for our country. I assure you that the statements about Wagner and Otis are not true – irrespective of the number of websites people are quoting – Bennie.”

It is unfortunately evident that Bennie accepts these two men blindly and that he also approves of their theology – and that in spite of the gross errors in their teachings. If a person does not want to accept a warning given with good intentions, then he simply does not want to be warned. It is necessary that the people of South Africa must be aware of his position because we are the target group for these new teachings!

Christian evaluation

The following commentary by Tom McMahon concerning our strife against evil, is very relevant:

The strongholds of the devil to be pulled down are not literal “territories ruled by demons,” but Satan’s lies, which captivate the minds (“every thought”) of the lost (2 Cor. 10:4-5); and can even deceive God’s “very elect” (Mt. 24:24). Scripture tells us clearly and simply how we are to deal with such strongholds: “…If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free” (Jn. 8:31-32).

The Spiritual Warfare movement missed the mark with its unbiblical mission; its militantly aggressive strategy is also dangerously erroneous. The Scriptures determine the manner and mode of dealing with Satan:

“Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you” (Jas 4:7). Again, that’s just what Jesus did (Lk. 4:1-13). Over and over again the Word of God exhorts believers, not to power encounters with demons, but to steadfastness in the faith. Peter, who was no stranger to casting out demons, nevertheless wrote, “Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour: whom resist stedfast in the faith” (1 Pet 5:8-9).

We are not to negotiate with the devil or order him to leave our city or town. In cases of demonic activities we are to stand firm and pray to God that He will deliver us from the Evil One. Even the archangel Michael did not judge Satan in a confrontation, but said: “The Lord rebuke thee” (Jude 1:9).

The question is whether the devil will hear us at all if we speak to him! Rev Denzel Dick of Pretoria says:

  • Omnipresence and omniscience are characteristics of God – not demons! To bind the strong man of South Africa, or of towns, is to go beyond biblical prescripts. Doing this is giving unnecessary and undeserved attention to the devil.  Since he is not omnipresent and omniscient, it is questionable that he will take note if he is being exhorted from a distance – even if it is in the spiritual realm.
  • Sin gives place and influence to the devil. To bind the strongman of an area or to rebuke him whilst people are still hardening their harts and living in their old nature of sin, is clearly to go further than God has allowed us. We should rather pray for revival, for the conviction of sin and for the conversion of people in an area. For those reacting positively to the preaching of the Word, God will give deliverance from Satan’s power.

As Christians, we have the Lord Jesus who is our Guide, the Word of God that is a light on the way and the Holy Spirit to lead us into all Truth. If we trust Him, He will have the eyes of your understanding enlightened, so that you will understand the mystery of His counsel.  “Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free” (Jn. 8:32). Do you know the liberating power of the Word of God? All iniquity and error will be revealed in the light of God’s Word.

Do not allow yourself to be deceived by self-appointed spiritual leaders. People seek after money and power nowadays, and will sacrifice anything in the manner of Esau who sold his birthright for temporal gain. Led by the spirit of Antichrist, there is a movement today that aims to adulterate and structurally unify the church. As soon as the purpose of “Christian Ecumenism” has been achieved, they will also take hands with the false religions of the world.

All movements that participate in this dangerous unification process, for instance Promise Keepers, Alpha and others, must be rejected. The Signs and Wonders movement must likewise be rejected as a deception.

Endtime Revival–Spirit-Led and Spirit-Controlled
A Response Paper to Resolution 16
This statement was adopted by the General Presbytery of the Assemblies of God on August 11, 2000.
As the writer of Ecclesiastes noted, there is nothing new under the sun (Ecclesiastes 1:9). Generations come and go. Revival movements come and go. Hunger for more of God comes and unfortunately wanes. Some people prefer the routine over the unexpected. Others desperately want to see something unusual, something that has never happened before.

Revival Extremes
In times of revival God often reminds the Church of neglected truths. When this happens, it is easy for extremes to develop. Some will reject the revival of a doctrine, while others in their zeal will go beyond the teaching of Scripture. Both extremes are harmful and bring reproach on the cause of Christ. Revivals from Azusa Street (early 20th century) until now have witnessed unusual and unexpected human
responses to God’s presence. Maria Woodworth-Etter, whose evangelistic ministry began in the 1880s and continued past the founding of the Assemblies of God in 1914, reported of her early ministry, “Men and women fell and lay like dead.” She had never seen anything like it and didn’t know what to do when they fell. She concluded that it was God’s power at work. Yet the physical response never became a hallmark of her ministry, to be organized, planned, and deliberately repeated. When it happened, she acknowledged it as a work of the Spirit.

SOURCE: https://web.archive.org/web/20100922094047/http://ag.org/top/Beliefs/Position_Papers/pp_downloads/pp_endtime_revival.pdf

65 Comments

  • Reply January 17, 2023

    Anonymous

    REMEMBER them FL revival manuals no one knew about TerryandNita Wiles WELL here they are with some extra spice on them – namely FL telling our AG churches HOW to make revival happen with flying Emma angel all over the room and so one hidden secret rooms deliverance in FL plus the whole mess…

    and MB denying it all 🙂 – imagine that Philip Williams
    then Robert W. Graves wanna ask more about Dr.MB

    NOW what gets me is HOW Peter Vandever Gary Micheal Epping Derek Godfrey and so on a whole bunch of them in this group GOT saved during them fake FL revivals BUT never really saw the manuals they were selling at the sale boots in the lobby uuuuuh scary …. or memory loss like MBrownE but he sill remember when he gets his new brain chip I suppose BTW Peter Vandever ihop is following them manuals word for word step by step and ERROR by ERRROR headed to the same NAR collusion

    https://www.ihopkc.org/resources/blog/power-to-deliver-ministry-manual-stephen-beauchamp/

    • Reply January 17, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day Except air didn’t get saved at Brownsville. I got a fire baptism and travailed for the first time. Increase in gifts, not salvation.

    • Reply January 17, 2023

      Anonymous

      Derek Godfrey Supplements added to The Deliverance Manual

      Masonry and Eastern Star (Freemasons)
      What is a Cult?
      Godly People Stricken Before Their Time
      HOLIDAYS AND PUPPETRY
      Holidays
      Christmas – Pagan Or Christian Holiday?
      What’s Wrong With Valentine’s Day?
      Marionettes/Mariolatry/Mummery/Puppetry/Ventriloquism
      SCRIPTURAL STUDIES
      Deliverance Scriptures
      God Sends Demons & Evil On People For Disobedience
      Soul – Put In Right Mind By Deliverance
      From Adam to Ahab – Men’s Weaknesses
      From Eve to Jezebel – Women’s Weaknesses
      Miscellaneous Scriptural Studies
      Selected Topic Studies
      Lies, Deceit and Flattery
      Respect, Fear and Nervousness
      FAMILY
      Perfect Family With A Perfect Relationship To God
      Perfect Family Summary
      From Death Into Real Life (Tract)
      Earline’s Testimony About Byron’s Death
      Dedication of Children
      Perfect Love
      WOMAN’S VIEWPOINT
      Our Inheritance From a Woman’s Viewpoint
      A Wise and Understanding Woman
      Good Homemakers (Booklet)
      The Woman Question
      Keeping What You Have – Maintaining Deliverance
      TESTIMONY AND FAMILY DELIVERANCE
      Gene & Earline’s Personal Testimony
      Earline’s Testimony About Her Deliverance
      Children’s Deliverance
      HEALING AND BODY
      JESUS Set Marie’s Broken Arm
      Body – Cured And Healed By Deliverance
      Drunkenness And Gluttony
      Drugs and Medicine
      Children Drug Addicts
      Baldness – Beards – Hair
      SEX
      Sexual Diseases, Impurities And Demons (Booklet)
      The AIDS Epide
      mic
      Effeminacy – Sins of Sodom
      Rape
      Sexual Harassment – Abuse – Assault – Violence
      The Change of Life – Menopause
      MASS DELIVERANCE MANUAL
      Table Of Contents
      Mass Deliverance – How to Get Delivered
      Mass Deliverance Supplement
      How To Identify Godly and Ungodly Spirits
      Lists of Demons
      HOW TO DO DELIVERANCE MANUAL
      Preface
      Looking At Deliverance
      Basic Deliverance
      Children’s Deliverance
      Mass Deliverance
      Deliverance Prayers
      Biblical Curses
      Aids To Casting Out Demons
      Casting Out Demons
      Deliverance Scriptures
      Identify Godly / Ungodly Spirits
      Names of Demons
      Cursed Objects
      Learn About Deliverance
      Practical Deliverance Books
      How Not To Do Deliverance

      17 Spiritual Warfare Combination

    • Reply January 17, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day These look like good topics. Assuming they are in line with Scripture.
      And as I recall, there was a Masonic lodge across the street from the church.

    • Reply January 17, 2023

      Anonymous

      Derek Godfrey what are you talking about HOLD ON working on a compiled MASONIC deliverance prayer right now William DeArteaga

  • Reply January 17, 2023

    Anonymous

    Derek Godfrey William DeArteaga Isara Mo The Pentagon is also one of the two secret symbols of the highest levels of
    Freemasonry, the ANCIENT AND ILLUMINATED SEERS OF
    BAVARIA (aka the Illuminati) – the other being the Pentagram. It may be
    observed that every pentagram has a pentagon within it; and that every
    proper pentagram can fit perfectly point-to-point within a pentagon.
    Thus, the magician sees the Pentagon as a gigantic talisman of war or
    battle. Bill Schnoebelen points out that throughout the witchcraft
    underground in the U.S. there has been circulated a rumor that a demonic
    war-god is imprisoned inside the Pentagon and that he is what keeps
    causing wars. During the anti-war movement of the Vietnam era, in the
    midst of a demonstration at the Pentagon, some “witches for peace” were
    actually present and actually attempted to levitate the Pentagon and
    “exorcise” the demon god YOG SOTHOTH from within. Needless to say,
    the building remained unlevitated.
    Freemasonry boasts 16 Presidents, including Ronald Reagan, 41 Federal
    Judges, 60 Congressmen, 14 members of the Judiciary Committee and 18
    Senators. One can only guess at the numbers involved within the many
    governmental departments. There is no doubt that Masonic conspirators
    plotted against this nation from its very inception to the present hour.
    Thank God that there have been that many real Christians praying for this
    country and its leaders, to keep a righteous God from bringing deserved
    judgment against this nation.

  • Reply January 18, 2023

    Anonymous

    Derek Godfrey Bonke is dead Joyce is NO AG – what about them fake FL revivals? were these fake revial manuals the REAL reason you left?

    Brett Dobbs
    James Pinkerton Katie N Dakota Morrow Dan Anthony
    Copied and pasted from the main post.
    There is nowhere in the Bible that says explicitly that a “Christian” can have a demon. But it does talk about “Believers” having demons. Are you a Believer; what is the difference – none!
    * Demons are given legal ground to stay when a person sits under teaching that denies a Christian can have a demon.

    Post-trib is ONE such teaching that teaches believers should live alongside antiCHrist and his demons in the last days THere is NO single scripture in the BIBLE that says clena and unclean should live together

    LETs keep the main thing the main thing I would also recommend you read UNGER Kyle Williams https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/unger-definition-of-demon-possession-jezebel/

    * Demonic lies about oppression, possession, etc. are perpetuated. and I am chosing to tag Link Hudson on this one because he knows well the whole oppression, possession, etc. is not even in the BIBLE which uses the word DEMONIZED … Isara Mo William DeArteaga

    • Reply January 18, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day “no Bible verse that says the clean and unclean should live together”

      Well, there are saved and unsaved people still here on this planet, in the town, our neighbors.

      Then there is the parable about letting the wheat and tares grow up together before the harvest.

      I think we should keep our eschatology view’s separate from the discussion of demonology, baptism of the spirit, and etc….

      My eschatology views have none to little impact on my views about demonology, and other spiritual topics.

    • Reply January 18, 2023

      Anonymous

      Brett Dobbs Actually, the answer to both questions above is definitely “yes”. Almost one-hundred percent of the DELIVERANCE ministry we have had has been among the born-again Believers, and most of them were Baptized-in-the-Spirit Christians also.

      is this your experience too OR just copied from OP?

    • Reply January 18, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day I sincerely have the question “can a Christian be demon possessed”. My understanding of possession is a literal demon abiding inside someone’s body that has the ability to manifest and somewhat take control of that person. Such as Matthew 8:28-34.
      And in Matthew 12:43-45 Jesus talks about an unclean spirit coming out of a man then going and gathering 7 more demons and then going back into the man, and now the man is in a worse condition.
      My understanding of that text is that if that person would have been saved as in having the Holy Spirit living within him, then those demons wouldn’t be able to enter him.

      With that being said, I do believe that Christian’s aka born again believers with the Holy Spirit dwelling within them, can be demonized.
      My understanding of demonized, means to be influenced or oppressed. It would be more like an attachment vs possession.

      The deliverance manual seems to suggest that isn’t the case.

      Do you think my understanding is wrong? If so please explain why.

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      Anonymous

    • Reply January 21, 2023

      Anonymous

      Brett Dobbs why are you posting here then? post under that post there is PLENTY of discussion on demonization there

  • Reply January 18, 2023

    Anonymous

    I do believe there are spiritual strong holds over regions. However the NAR way of dealing with it is a joke. We don’t need someone claiming to be an apostle with special revelation in order to deal with the spiritual strong holds.

    Do what they did in the book of acts. Go out and preach the gospel.
    When there is an area say for example a part of the city where there is high crime, and sin everywhere. I ask there is there anyone out on the streets preaching the gospel to people?

    Go in large groups. Go by the numbers. Go door to door. Business to business. There’s power in the gospel. Followed by signs and wonders.
    Just go out and do it.

    • Reply January 18, 2023

      Anonymous

      Brett Dobbs when you say NAR way of dealing with it is a joke. do you refer to Strategic Level Spiritual Warfare SLSW we;ve discussed with Link Hudson

    • Reply January 18, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day I’m not sure what you discussed with Link Hudson. But I’m referring to this from that article.

      The following six methods or steps are followed in this counterfeit revival:

      1. ’A New Vision

      A new vision for revival as a solution to all the problems of the country and the world originates from one or more key persons. Drastical Christian reforms in the community are necessary to achieve this revival. “New revelations” from God to high profile spiritual leaders, or self appointed prophets, accompany this new vision. They see themselves as God’s anointed to bring about the desired transformation and to take command with great authority, tolerating no opposition or exhortation.

      2. Unity at all Cost

      Unity is essential and must be achieved amongst all believers in their town, city or community. All divisions, differences and condemnations must be laid aside. The doctrinal basis for their unity is so accommodating, that evangelical Christians, charismatics, Zionists and Catholics feel themselves all at home. Ecumenical mass meetings and prayer marches are demonstrations of their unity.

      3. Spiritual Mapping

      A practice of pinpointing the most important methods that Satan can use to obtain power over other people, e.g. unbelief, superstition, sorcery, ancestor worship, gambling, abortion, crime, drunkenness, drug smuggling, murder and war sites, etc. By means of spiritual mapping, trouble points are marked on a map (often with pins) and demons or demonic strongholds may be identified and targeted through spiritual warfare for attack.

      4. Spiritual warfare

      The breakdown of demonic strongholds is practiced with the new method of “strategic spiritual warfare”. During prayer meetings the demons are rebuked, bound and cast out in the Name of Jesus. Gatekeepers are appointed to guard the entrances to the city, in order that the exorcised demons may not return. The city is claimed for Jesus, and the demons may not re-enter to mislead people.

      5. The expansion of the Christendom

      The quick expansion of Christianity will occur as soon as the strongholds and power of Satan are broken. There will then be no more inhibiting factors, spiritual deception or stumbling blocks preventing people from joining churches in large numbers and serve the Lord. Christians will also be appointed into key posts, e.g. in municipalities or government departments with local offices. In this way Christianity will thrive and functioning under ideal conditions.

      6. Development and prosperity

      The transformation or reconstruction of the whole community will realize in the political, social educational and economic areas. Prosperity, stability and freedom of crime will prevail and all will be able to live in peace and harmony. The subversive power of darkness will be broken and the children of God will reclaim the power and dominion that the Lord gave to Adam and was lost during the Fall.

      The movement that strives for this “revival” is getting enormous momentum – also in South Africa. To better understand the movement’s principles and approaches a closer look should be taken of at least two of its leaders, and also to the Transformations video that is used to mislead many people into applying the above methods.

      C. Peter Wagner

      Peter Wagner is the Head of Global Harvest Ministries with their office in the World Prayer Center in Colorado Springs, USA. He is the leading person in the new movement for Strategic Spiritual Warfare. Wagner defined three levels of spiritual warfare:

      Ground Level: Person-to-person, praying for each other’s personal needs.
      Occult Level: deals with demonic forces released through activities related to Satanism, witchcraft, astrology and many other forms of structured occultism.
      Strategic-Level or Cosmic-Level: To bind and bring down spiritual principalities and powers that rule over governments.
      Wagner makes a lot of point 3 above. He says that the Satan sends senior demons from of the hierarchy of evil spirits to control countries, regions, tribes, communities, residential areas and social networks in the world. Their main aim is to prevent the glorifying of God in their areas. They appoint demons of a lower rank to strengthen them in their attacks.

      This false teaching originates from the sect The Manifest Sons of God. One of their apostles, Francis Frangipane, said: “There are satanic strongholds over countries and communities; there are strongholds which influence churches and individuals…. These fortresses exist in the thought patterns and ideas that govern individuals… as well as communities and nations. Before victory can be claimed, these strongholds must be pulled down, and Satan’s armor removed. Then the mighty weapons of the Word and the Spirit can effectively plunder Satan’s house.” The Latter Rain also holds this viewpoint.

    • Reply January 18, 2023

      Anonymous

      Brett Dobbs I don’t see any apostles in the New Testament rebuking all the principalities over cities as a way of beaking through to revival. Jude warned about the false brethren speaking evil of glories snd gave Michael to speaking a railing accusation against Satan as an example.

      Revivals can bring transformation to a society. The gospel is preached and there may be a people movement to Christ with resulting change as people’s lives are transormed. Many revivals were preceded by much prayer, sometimes by believers united in prayer.

      But this is prayer to God. Making up a principality name based on social ills then commanding that principality is not the dame as prayer to God.

    • Reply January 18, 2023

      Anonymous

      Link Hudson 100% agreed.

    • Reply January 21, 2023

      Anonymous

      Link Hudson do you NOT see Jesus do it?
      Dont you wanna be like JESUS ?
      What would Jesus do?
      What did JOHN do to Babylon the Great whcih Philip Williams is the US?

      The problem is that you see early Christianity in ACTS only all and while early Christianity emerged 100yrs if not more by Revelation AND the Truth is we live in apocalyptic END times and cannot simply ignore that by saying we are the ACTS churc – Azusa was the ACTS church – we are alredy the Revelation church..

  • Reply January 18, 2023

    Anonymous

    apart from the manuals now TerryandNita Wiles Brett Dobbs there is also solid science research Destroying arguments and captivating thoughts Spiritual warfare prayer as global praxis
    ISSN: 2056-6093 (Print) 2056-6107 (Online) Journal homepage https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/destroying-arguments-and-captivating-thoughts-spiritual-warfare-prayer-as-global-praxis/

  • Reply January 21, 2023

    Anonymous

    Link Hudson stated that
    Brett Dobbs I don’t see any apostles in the New Testament rebuking all the principalities over cities as a way of beaking through to revival. BUT what is [ak NIKO doing right now with the prayer towers in DC and LA? and other places around the world – exactly the SAME thing – exact repetition of prayer product positioning strategy and strategic warfare There is nothing new more or less Brett Dobbs

    ONE can suppose from what yall are saying that you have never prayed a spiritual take over a city like Philip did in Samaria AND Paul in many places or even seen REVIVAL over a city like Gary Micheal Epping Derek Godfrey claim to have seen in FL

    THE MINISTRY of displacing DEMONS from their territories was an early missionary praxis which we’ve discussed with William DeArteaga and Paul L. King before JOHN A. MACMILLAN: THE AUTHORITY OF THE BELIEVER wrote MUCH about it https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/ministry-of-displacing-demons-from-their-territories/

    The problem is that you see early Christianity in ACTS only all and while early Christianity emerged 100yrs if not more by Revelation AND the Truth is we live in apocalyptic END times and cannot simply ignore that by saying we are the ACTS churc – Azusa was the ACTS church – we are alredy the Revelation church.. Just something to think about TerryandNita Wiles

  • Reply January 21, 2023

    Anonymous

    USUALLY TerryandNita Wiles the discussion on this manuals goes 2 ways

    ONE Gary Micheal Epping Derek Godfrey and others start saying NO NO NO we never saw these – then we find out tha manuals were there SOLD to our AG over the phone by hundreds tecahing them HOW to spark their own revival OR practiced in them dark side rooms in FL many do not even know about Peter Vandever never saw them and he has himself an expert on FL revivals

    the other way – you get a red herring by Link Hudson or something AND start talking about something that was NOT in the manuals Strategic Warfare was NOT yet developped then It comes with WAGNER who saw catholiX do it in south America with candle marches or however you want to call them large processions they do – – –

    SO the main point is always left aside NAMELY there were manuals They did exist There they are in the POST

    They did target our AG selling revival know-HOW At one point this points of sale turned into a theological and practical takeOver of fake apostles doing not just fake but freak revivals like todd with his she-angel

    SO action had to be taken via RES16 and stop the AG takeover This really sums it up
    NOW the 3rd pentecost repeats the 3rd wave Neil Steven Lawrence

    https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/todd-bentley-in-redding-ca/

  • Reply February 17, 2023

    Anonymous

    these will be on SALE now Terry Wiles but Gary Micheal Epping Peter Vandever Derek Godfrey NEVER saw them @ FL NEITHER they saw female angel Emma flying in there Philip Williams and MBrown denies there was NAR there as well… but we will talk about these planned revivals ONCE again … when John Mushenhouse names the person from his case in point here => Here is a post from a Pentecostal pastor who also gives planned revivals. He is also the guru of a Pentecostal forum. See how they can’t be happy but have to put themselves as one in the know and one who helps bring in the revival. The sad thing is he calls people like the Asburians not living in the fulness of God. So many need to have a feeling of importance. :
    The revival that is taking place right now reminded me of this dream God gave nearly 3 years ago. God is returning us to a time where the only thing extravagant about the Church is His presence.
    Stop this seeking of personal glory

    lets hope this was not ol Todd whose plans were In April going back to Lakeland to re-dig the well of revival…

    • Reply February 17, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day no not Todd —-

    • Reply February 17, 2023

      Anonymous

      John Mushenhouse tell us WHO so we can research him please

    • Reply February 17, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day I gave you a big hint – he is the author of another facebook pentecostal page. It should be easy.

    • Reply February 17, 2023

      Anonymous

      John Mushenhouse oh dear GOD – I have absolutely NO knowledge of any other / another facebook pentecostal page. Is it rather a group?

    • Reply February 17, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day Time to zip the lip, and take a trip to Asbury.

    • Reply February 17, 2023

      Anonymous

      Gary Micheal Epping why not Lee? Are you going to collect new manuals there for Terry Wiles to criticize 🙂 Dale M. Coulter revival may NOT be “American.” but it is certainly a very WESTERN idea to start with

  • Reply February 17, 2023

    Anonymous

    Maybe one of you guys need to scan the book into a pdf, unless of course that is an outright copyright violation. Those photos don’t show the whole page, so I can only see half the text.

    • Reply February 17, 2023

      Anonymous

      Derek Godfrey may be you should not give illegal advices to commit crime as per copyright laws Terry Wiles has done enough

    • Reply February 17, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day I didn’t give illegal advice. I specifically said if it did not violate copyright law. I have seen ministry materials in the past that were in fact legal to copy per the author/publisher. I did not know if this item fit that category, which is why I qualified my statement.

    • Reply February 17, 2023

      Anonymous

      Derek Godfrey of course that is an outright copyright violation

    • Reply February 17, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day have you never seen a “manual” or similar item that says it can be copied freely? Certainly there is the opposite that says under no circumstances is it to be copied. Many out of print books have at some point been made available electronically. I’m not saying this is one of them, I just merely suggested it might be, but I did not know for certain. That’s why I said IF. I don’t know how fair use works either. If you quote something, it certainly must be cited. I am extremely careful to do proper citations in my own writing.

      Let’s go back to the fundamental problem here. You are trying to convince people of something from an out of print resource. That resource being unavailable doesn’t help your cause any. Obviously, it has become a moot point because you cannot copy the resource and we can’t buy a copy. It’s a stalemate. That was my whole point to begin with. IF it could be copied legally, that would be a solution to the problem. But that is not an option. So
      Nothing illegal has transpired or been suggested. But it should put the argument to rest and people will have to agree to disagree, since there is no legal way to support the argument.

  • Reply February 17, 2023

    Anonymous

    The Brownsville “revival” was a false event, deception. Likewise, the NAR is a false movement. It’s all tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine. Another Christ, another gospel.

    • Reply February 17, 2023

      Anonymous

      Duane L Burgess was you there???

    • Reply February 17, 2023

      Anonymous

      Duane L Burgess You and Troy wouldn’t recognize true revival if it hit you up the side of the head like a 2×4. Why not ziip the lip and take a trip to just sit quietly at Asbury for 2-3 days?

    • Reply February 19, 2023

      Anonymous

      Gary Micheal Epping Asbury was shut down the day before you posted this comment showing how much you know about anything

    • Reply February 19, 2023

      Anonymous

      guess you missed it again.

    • Reply February 19, 2023

      Anonymous

      Gary Micheal Epping has never seen a real revival of course-just talk

    • Reply February 19, 2023

      Anonymous

      Duane L Burgess I must disagree. Brownsville had a lot of good fruit.

    • Reply February 19, 2023

      Anonymous

      Derek Godfrey judging by you Peter Vandever and Gary Micheal Epping I have to disagree 🙂 Terry Wiles

    • Reply February 19, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day dont be a jerk today. Only on weekdays, you get to be judgemental 😉

    • Reply February 19, 2023

      Anonymous

      Peter Vandever that is very true BTW but the TRUTH cannot be hidden 🙂

    • Reply February 19, 2023

      Anonymous

      Im awful sick of seeing “healing” charlatans lauded as ministers of Christ. What happend to pentecostals who hated this garbage? Healing revivals are phoney. Mark my words.

    • Reply February 19, 2023

      Anonymous

      Kyle Williams what do you mean ? Are you talking to FL because Gary Micheal Epping does not believe ANY “healing” charlatans lauded

  • Reply February 17, 2023

    Anonymous

    • Reply February 17, 2023

      Anonymous

      seems it is dwindling down Dale M. Coulter did they shut down lee?

    • Reply February 17, 2023

      Anonymous

      Gary Micheal Epping

  • Reply February 19, 2023

    Anonymous

  • Reply February 19, 2023

    Anonymous

    Brett Dobbs Gary Micheal Epping Derek Godfrey We need to be careful right now about our discussion. Reason: Millions of souls hang in the balance of what “OBVIOUSLY” Jesus Messiah is doing (invisibly) in the hearts of the young and the old. This is serious Kingdom Work being done by the King of the Universe and the Owner of Planet Earth. Please, hold your thoughts in your head. A fool speaks all of this thoughts, but a wise man can keep a secret.

  • Reply February 19, 2023

    Anonymous

    • Reply February 19, 2023

      Anonymous

      Derek Godfrey wrong post BUT what is he thinking ?

    • Reply February 19, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day what do you mean? That is the President of Asbury being appropriately cautious, like some of us are.

    • Reply February 20, 2023

      Anonymous

      Derek Godfrey not too sure this is Pentecostal per se

    • Reply February 20, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day Wesleyan. Apparently there was a demon manifested and cast out.

  • Reply February 20, 2023

    Anonymous

    Speaking of Brownsville, they apparently had a move of God stirring yesterday.

    • Reply February 21, 2023

      Anonymous

      how do you mean?

    • Reply February 21, 2023

      Anonymous

      Troy Day they said God moved strongly in an unusual way during service. It has been 20 years since the previous revival ended. Is it something to get excited about? Perhaps, but I might just have been an unusual experience for the current congregation and Pastor. It’s on their page. Brownsville Church.

  • Reply April 28, 2023

    Anonymous

    1. Self-denial is the first element Jesus mentions in true discipleship. “If any man will come after me let him deny himself, take up his cross daily, and follow me.” Luke 9:32
    2. Self-denial begins with wholehearted love for God and for others. “Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.” Matthew 22:37-39
    3. Self-denial puts God’s heavenly kingdom above our earthly interests. “Seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you.” Matthew 6:33
    4. Self-denial is humility in action. “Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and He will lift you up.” James 4:10
    5. Self-denial puts the interests of others above self-interest. “Let nothing be done through selfish ambition or conceit, but in lowliness of mind let each esteem others better than himself.” Philippians 2:3
    6. Self-denial recognizes its dependence upon God rather than self-reliance. “Trust in the LORD with all your heart, And lean not on your own understanding;” Proverbs 3:5
    7. Self-denial has no selfish sense of entitlement, instead, it takes on the Christlike heart of a servant. “Whoever desires to be first among you, let him be your servant— just as the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.” Matthew 20:27-28

  • Reply April 29, 2023

    Anonymous

    The Brownsville event was a false revival, deceiving and being deceived by liars and the Truth is not in them.

    • Reply April 29, 2023

      Anonymous

      Duane L Burgess Are you even Pentecostal? It seems every post I see you disagree with.

    • Reply April 29, 2023

      Anonymous

      Duane L Burgess im curious why you think it is a false revival. And Im curious what your Biblical standard is, to say: The Truth isn’t in them.

    • Reply April 29, 2023

      Anonymous

      George Kay is this manual which Terry Wiles provided NOT proof enough? Mike Crain Mike Albright

  • Reply April 29, 2023

    Anonymous

    Absolutely Duane L Burgess – you are spot on – same with Asbury, Toronto & Bentley false revivals too!

  • Reply June 10, 2023

    Anonymous

    Brownsville was a false revival, and the NAR is apostacy.

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