Practical application of Pentecostal theology in politics, economy and social issues
Dean Anderson [05/21/2015 3:18 AM]
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Part 1 A large pot had been constructed and placed on public view. It was beautifully made and glistened in the sun, but the pot was empty. No one was quite sure why it was empty. Then one day, some people came along with a very large tin of paint. The paint was a darker […]
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Joseph Branscome
There is NO such thing , as speaking in tounges , unless you know how to speak , two are more langues , in my oppinion . Because this is what Peter done , by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT , so that all twelve tribes of Israel , could understand what he was saying at the same time , in their own langues .
Shannon P Smith
Doesn’t seem very wise to be so adamant about a thing not existing when so many people say that they’ve personally experienced it. Sure, defend your particular interpretation of scripture. But to outright deny other people’s personal accounts, based solely on one of several interpretations seems rash.
Joseph Branscome
Shannon , Note where you state ” that ( people ) say they’ve personally experienced it . I’m don’t know what they ( people ) have experienced . But I know what the Bible says , and that is what I put my trust in . I know that the Bible says , if others don’t know what someone is saying , then it is of no value , other than the one saying it . It’s like a distraction to the HOLY SPIRIT , which may be working in someone else . If these people that claim they have experienced it , then all I am asking from them is ; Give me Scriptures that support such . Am I asking to much ? I am going to give a verse , that proves there is a difference , between the gospel given to Peter for the Jews and the gospel given to Paul for the Gentiles ( Gal2: 7 ) . If we go by what ( people ) say , compared to what Scriptures says ; then 90% of people will say , they were given the SAME gospel . Now look at which gospel , Grace Age Believers ( today’s believers ) will be JUDGED by . You will find this answer in Romans 2 : 26 . They will be judged by the gospel given to Paul , NOT the gospel given to Peter for the Jews . I don’t want a single person to take my word on anything , but to read the Bible for themselves .
Shannon P Smith
1 Cor 14:2 would be a good start:
For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.
Joseph Branscome
This isn’t what my Bile says in 1st COR 14 : 12 . But 1st COR 14 : 11 says ; Therefore if I know not the meaning of the voice , I shall be unto him that speakers a barbarian , and he that speakers shall be a barbarian unto me .
Joseph Branscome
I will leave it this way . I have never spoken in tougues , and don’t think I ever will ; but JESUS his the power to do what ever He may chose , but I don’t think that will ever be the case . If I ever do , I hope it is for the benefit of those around me , and not for the benefit of thinking one must be able to speak in tongues , to be SAVED .
Joseph Branscome
I think I found the verse you were referring to . It’s 1st COR 14 : 2 . It doesn’t say ( but ) , but says ( howbeit ) . There is a huge difference in their meaning . Howbeit means ; BE that as it may .
Shannon P Smith
My mistake. Typo. Verse 2, it is. Not 12. I’ll edit the previous post.
Merete Andersen Ytterdal
PRAYING in tongues ,alone with God. The Holy Spirit leads you. That’s private..To SPEAK in tongues in the congregation ,is only permitted if someone has the interpretation. And if someone has the interpretation they know it. No one should rise up in the congregation and speak in tongues without knowing someone has the interpretation. Because demons can also use tongues….and if there is some who speaks in tongues…and no one is interpreting it…? Who knows which spirit you connected to….we are told to desearn the Spirits,and sometimes a spirit comes through in the spiritual realm,but it’s not from God. We are told to follow the word of God in this matter too. So if nobody has a interpretation do not speak in tongues. He / she should be in silence.
Carl Murphy
As a Baptist Minister and former Assemblies of God one that graduated from South Eastern Bible College an AG school at the time that taught AG doctrine I have come to realize that speaking in tongues is a manifestation of the HS. However I do not believe that it is the only initial evidence of someone being filled. I also believe in order in the church. I have been in one too many churches where people wished to show how holy they were by speaking in tongues. In one church every Sunday morning after the first hymn the same woman would stand and mumble the same “words” in the same order Sunday after Sunday and the same man would interpret with the “thus saith the Lord of Host” mantra that changed from time to time. My kids, who were teenagers would sit there and say, wait for it, wait for it during the chorus of the final verse of the first hymn. My daughter asked me, dad how can sister what’s her name say the same thing every Sunday morning yet the interpretation be different? Still waiting on a logical answer 20 years later. I find that many Pentecostals are more concerned with outward appearances of being holy, like speaking in tongues to running around the church and jumping pews to putting hair up in a bun, brag about not doing this or that and not realizing that holiness comes from following Jesus. God is not always in the wind or lightning but in a still small voice. Which is why the Psalmist says “he MAKES me lie down in green pastures. He sometimes wants you still and relaxed so he can talk to you instead of the other way around.
Don Kammer
Excellent resource on this topic at http://deltarr.net/ Delbert Tarr is a cultural anthropologist and linguist who wrote on this matter in “The Foolishness of God.” Tarr completed his MA and PhD from the University of Minnesota with concentrations in Cultural Anthropology and Cross Cultural Communications. He is a Pentecostal missiologist as well and impacted the growth of the Assemblies of God in Burkina Faso. A significant contribution.
Gilberto Rosado
Joseph Branscome However, what you are stating is NOT what the scripture says. You are also ignoring the fact that Paul was dealing with the very same “conditions” you deny exists (speaking in tongues). What the Scripture say is that there is speaking in tongues but that there is also a bit of disorder in the service.
Speaking in tongues is a grossly misunderstood phenomenon in the church. That is why Paul sought to bring order into the service.
Tongues are shown in the Scripture as part of the ministry in church services, as part of prayer (indecipherable utterances), as the traditional preamble to any prophetic utterance in the Old Testament (which the prophets were known to act “drunk” or “crazy” – which would imply erratic bodily movement and “slurred” speech).
I know that tongues are an important aspect of the church’s power and authority against the forces of evil on this planet.
Joseph Branscome
Where did I state , that there isn”t a reference to speaking in tongues . Where the Pentecostal Holiness gets their reason for speaking in tongues , comes from ACTS Chapter 2 . Paul states , that there is no benifit , and absolutley no need of speaking in tongues , to be filled with the HOLY SPIRIT or have SALVATION . Also give me scriptures ( not what the pentecostal Holiness denomination and doctrine teach ) that state tougues are an important aspect of the church ‘s power and authority against the forces of evil on this planet ? The church mentioned in ACTS 2 : 46 – 47 , was refering to an assembly of beleiving Jews ( Not the Body of Christ ) , that excepted the fact and admitted they made a mistake in rejecting Jesus as their Messiah , Repented , and was baptised in the HOLY SPIRIT . Jews that were SAVED under Peters gospel , is an entire different group of believers , than in the Grace or Church Age , we live in today , that are SAVED by Pauls gospel 1 st. Cor 15 : 1 – 4 . People saved under this gosepl of Pauls , are baptised into the BODY of CHRIST , and are the church .