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Angel Ruiz | PentecostalTheology.com
It is important to note that the Assemblies of God deemed the Neo-Pentecostal Movement to contain heresy from the very beginning. The Assemblies of God officially denounced Neo-Pentecostal teaching, nearly splitting the denomination in the process. Other established Pentecostal groups have passed similar resolutions. Is it common for one move of God to condemn the next move of God?
John Ruffle [09/02/2015 3:31 AM]
Please define neo-Pentecostalism
Peter A Vandever [09/02/2015 3:32 AM]
Charismatic renewal/Faith movement 🙂
Angel Ruiz [09/02/2015 3:33 AM]
John Ruffle Neo-Pentecostal churches are a category of churches with in the Christian “Charismatic Movement”, also known as the “Third Wave.” Neo-Pentecostalism at first embraced many of the doctrines and practices of classical Pentecostals (first wave) and the Charismatic Movement (second wave); but eventually distinguish itself by adopting heterodox practices.
John Ruffle [09/02/2015 3:34 AM]
OR do we realy mean post-denominationalism? Which also may mean severing the tragic Protestant memory that still lingers from the Reformation period; which is at the root of the anomaly we call denominationalism, but is actually sectarianism.
Link Hudson [09/02/2015 3:35 AM]
Angel Ruiz, I’ve read ‘Neo-Pentecostal’ applied to the Charismatic movement, probably in books that used the term before the term ‘Third Wave’ was coined.
John Ruffle [09/02/2015 3:36 AM]
I’ve always disliked the ‘third wave’ moniker, as it was a term dreamed-up by John Wimber and Wagner and is more an advertising slogan than anything rooted in theology or the Church.
Angel Ruiz [09/02/2015 3:36 AM]
John Ruffle Neo-Pentecostal tenets and practices are found in many independent, nondenominational or post-denominational congregations. Most Neo Pentecostals believers, are unaware they are part of a heterodox church; they may feel that some or all of their practices are grounded in scripture. Several Neo-Pentecostal groups were influenced by the Toronto Blessing in the mid-1990s Since its beginning in the 1980s, the Neo-Pentecostal Movement has sparked a large number of counterfeit revivals. As the movement evolved, unbiblical practices continued to get more and more bizarre. In recent years some Neo-Pentecostal leaders and churches have begun to separate themselves from some of the more aberrant practices and are trying to move back to more classical pentecatal practice
John Ruffle [09/02/2015 3:39 AM]
Is it also about Evangelicals who accept the pentecostal-style moderrn ‘freedom’ in non-liturgical worship (as in music / bands etc.) but who ban speaking in toungues in meetings, and consider it to be a rather strange optional extra that some people on the fringes sometimes claim to have and value?
Angel Ruiz [09/02/2015 3:41 AM]
Link Hudson I have also read that ‘Neo-Pentecostal’ applied to the Charismatic movement… i would say some ministris not all in the the Charismatic movement… I feel ‘Neo-Pentecostal’ makes a clear distinction from Charasmatic and Clasical Pentecostalism…
Peter A Vandever [09/02/2015 3:43 AM]
Angel, tell us how you really feel about the renewal that broke out in 1994 haha
Angel Ruiz [09/02/2015 3:44 AM]
Here are some practices and beliefs that identify Neo-Pentecostals: (this is not a complete list)
-God has restored all the offices of ministry to the Church, including apostle and prophet.
-denominational lines will be destroyed, and the Church will unify in the last days
-Gold dust and jewels.
-Repetitive chanting or singing.
-“name it and claim it” doctrine
-Post-canonical revelation.
-Holy laughter.
-Animal noises.
-Buying/selling miracles.
-Kundalini spirits.
-Christians can be demonized and require deliverance
John Ruffle [09/02/2015 3:44 AM]
I think for all the reasons Angel Ruiz cited above and more, I considder myself to be ‘pentecostalist’ and NOT ‘Pentecostal’. To me, this describes a theology defendable by Scripture, and is clearer to understand than ‘charismatic’ – although I’m happy to be seen as that too – and among non-theologians, I tend to refer myselef to be a ‘Catholic charismatic Christian’. Something along those lines anyway. Or, just call me an old but not worn-out Jesus Freak! 😉
John Ruffle [09/02/2015 3:52 AM]
Yikes Angel Ruiz! Good list there sister, and herlpful too! Too much to comment upon before work I’m afraid, but am awaiting the complete list. I do think that some of these need to be xconsidered individually, as not all groups will subscribe to all of the list items. (If you can number them it would be helpful for discussion purposes please.) For instance, by ‘name it and claim it’ we are talknig about hyper-faith / Prosperity gospel as promoted by Rhema Bible College Tulsa? Many of these on the list woudl seem to be practices / beliefs adhered to by ‘Kingdom Now’ / Domionion theologans. This is a very fundamental and heretical paradigm that indeed leeds to many of the hetrodixies on your list. However, we may have some ‘Dominion theology’ adherents on the group here, so if so, we need to give them a fair hearing. Meanwhile, am intersted in an expansion on what you mean by the ‘Kundalini spirits’. Blessings, John.
Link Hudson [09/02/2015 4:30 AM]
Angel Ruiz, where do you get your definition for ‘neo-Pentecostal’. It makes sense as a term for the Charismatic movement, which is probably where the term originated, in the late ’60’s or early ’70’s. Why should people barking like dogs be called ‘neo-Pentecostal.’ It sounds like you are talking about some of the kind of experiented folks in a kind of ‘prophetic’ and ‘signs and wonders’ movement.
As far as some of your doctrines go, the belief in prophets and apostles is not some kind of new, neo-Pentecostal thing. I recall hearing a message where Howard Carter expressed belief in apostles. I think the A/G considers missionaries to be apostles. The idea of some believers being prophets isn’t unheard of in Pentecostalism. The commandments of the Lord for church meetings in I Corinthians 14 assume the presence of prophets in the church. And a lot of Pentecostals will refer to that text which mentions prophets if they ever write or talk about prophesying in the church.
Angel Ruiz [09/02/2015 4:37 AM]
John Ruffle here is a bigger list but in no way is it a complete list
1. God has restored all the offices of the ministry of the Church, including apostle and prophet.
2. Someone is an Active Prophet or Apostle.
3. Denominational lines will be destroyed, and the Church will be unified in last days.
4. Gold dust, diamonds and jewels fall during services.
5. worship songs with excessively repetitive phrases.
6. “Word of Faith” Doctrine (the belief that God is bound to obey the words of Faith).
7. Divine extra-biblical Revelation.
8. Holy Laughter.
9. Moaning in the Spirit (making animal noises).
10. The purchase or sale of miracles.
11. The teaching that an apostle or prophet is needed to be saved
12. Spirit of Kundalini / Toronto Blessing (Holy Laughter)
13. The saved Christian can be possessed and require deliverance
14. Anointed Brooms
15. Teaching that the Holy Spirit is a woman
16. Anointed Saliva.
17. anointed Water
18. Poring Oil in the person’s mouth to be delivered of demons possession.
19. Poring Salt in your underwear for purification
20. Mud Bath
21. Soap and detergent to clean sins
22. the belief that anointed men should be able to turning water into wine
23. anointed Horse
24. The anointed chewing gums that heal the sick
25. The anointing of Rambo
26. The anointed water hose
27. the anointing of the kick to the face
28. Flour of prosperity
29. anointed Milk
30. Necklaces that heal
31. Tisúes that heal
John Ruffle [09/02/2015 4:37 AM]
Link Hudson – what Angel Ruiz is refering to (if I am not mistaken) is the idea of ‘super-apostles’ (YES — St. Paul encountered those too, way back!! 😉 ) who consider themselves as FAR more than ‘pioneer missionaries’ as classic Pentecostals would describe it. They are men and some women I guess but can’t think of any who have controlling empires of congregations over which they have complete and usually highly authroitarian control in one way or another. Some of the worst kind can be found leading the ‘cell church’ pyramid movement in Latin America and elsewhere.
John Ruffle [09/02/2015 4:39 AM]
Angel Ruiz – you’ve really kicked that one into touch dear sister, lol!!!! 😉
Angel Ruiz [09/02/2015 4:43 AM]
i’m am not saying that all Neo Pentecostals are wrong or false… sadly most of the Charismatic/Pentecostal false doctrine is found in Neo Pentecostal groups…
Angel Ruiz [09/02/2015 4:46 AM]
Link Hudson The New International Dictionary of Pentecostal and Charismatic Movements, Grand Rapids: Zondervan.
John Ruffle [09/02/2015 4:49 AM]
COMING UP NEXT: ‘Do Angels Have Gender?’ :-O lol!!!!
Jason Douglas Greene [09/02/2015 5:49 AM]
And with that said, the AoG, as well as most other Pentecostals, were deemed heretics by many evangelicals. The problem with labeling people as heretics is that the group doing the labeling fails to realize that they themselves were once a new movement within Christianity. If a church acknowledges the biblical truths laid out in the ancient creeds of the church e.g., the Apostles Creed or Nicene Creed, then they are not heretical. The Holy Spirit is being poured out on any and all who turn to the lord Jesus. At present there are as many charismatic/neo-charismatics as there are classical Pentecostals.
Herman Spencer [09/02/2015 10:44 AM]
The Assemblies of God was on the rock Jesus some have left that rock they have taken down they have taken down the cross and call it the way church the spirit has all so gone but not all of them God help us
Angel Ruiz [09/02/2015 10:51 AM]
that’s right Jason Douglas Greene… but we must understand that is not just labeling factor…
Know ” If a church acknowledges the biblical truths laid out in the ancient creeds of the church e.g., the Apostles Creed or Nicene Creed…” than they wouldn’t be Neo Pentecostals…
Most Neo Pentecostals believers, are unaware they are part of a heterodox church; they may feel that some or all of their practices are grounded in scripture…. As the movement evolved, unbiblical practices continued to get more and more bizarre.
It is also important to note that in recent years some Neo-Pentecostal leaders and churches have begun to separate themselves from some of the more aberrant practices and are trying to move back to more classical pentecostal practices…
John Kissinger [09/02/2015 10:57 AM]
John Ruffle have you read about the women with flying with wings in the book of Zachariah?
Stan Wayne [02/26/2016 6:14 AM]
How do we define neo
Troy Day [02/26/2016 6:16 AM]
Stan Wayne [02/26/2016 6:31 AM]
Perfect
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Assemblies of God and the Neo-Pentecostal Movement | Pentecostal Theology [02/26/2016 5:17 PM]
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Charlie Robin
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Charlie Robin
Neo-Pentecostal churches are a category of churches with in the Christian “Charismatic Movement”, also known as the “Third Wave.” Neo-Pentecostalism at first embraced many of the doctrines and practices of classical Pentecostals (first wave) and the Charismatic Movement (second wave); but eventually distinguish itself by adopting heterodox practices.
Stan Wayne
Categories too tightly defined.
AG has never been against new Pentecostalism as a general movement.
Charlie Robin
I’m often asked the question, “Are Assemblies of God churches part of the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR) movement?” http://www.spiritoferror.org/2013/06/the-assemblies-of-god-and-the-nar/3246
Stan Wayne
NAR are insane – they are a tiny sliver of neo Pentecostals
Charlie Robin
On Paper Assemblies of God USA has published a number of official statements taking stances against many NAR teachings. Here are some key NAR teachings that have been rejected by the denomination’s leadership.
The Assemblies of God has rejected the teaching that present-day apostles and prophets should govern the church (see papers titled “Endtime Revival”, “Apostles and Prophets,” and “Prophets and Personal Prophecies“)
The Assemblies of God has rejected the teaching that the church should work to take dominion of the earth prior to Christ’s return–a teaching known as “Kingdom Now” or “Dominion Theology” (see papers titled “Endtime Revival” and “The Kingdom of God“)
The Assemblies of God has rejected the teaching that the end-time church will become a victorious, militant army so it can take dominion of the earth–a teaching known as “Manifest Sons of God” or “Joel’s Army” (see paper titled “Endtime Revival”)
The Assemblies of God has rejected the teaching that Christians must identify a hierarchy of demonic spirits (also called “territorial spirits”) and wage battle against them for the gospel to advance–a teaching known as “strategic-level spiritual warfare” (see paper titled “Spiritual Warfare“)
The Assemblies of God has rejected the teaching that spiritual gifts, such as prophesying and healing people, can be imparted by church leaders through the practice of laying their hands on people (see paper titled “Imparting of Spiritual Gifts“)
http://ag.org/top/beliefs/position_papers/pp_downloads/pp_4195_apostles_prophets.pdf
Erin Chambers
The Assemblies of God does or doesn’t believe in this
John E Ollis
Sadly, it was history repeating itself, some never learn from history. Interestingly Smith Wigglesworth prophesied the Charismatic renewal many years b4 it took place
Varnel Watson
As Terry Wiles has noted Assemblies of God deemed the Neo-Pentecostal Movement to contain heresy from the very beginning. The Assemblies of God officially denounced Neo-Pentecostal teaching, nearly splitting the denomination in the process. Other established Pentecostal groups were not so sensitive and somewhat lenient and hence the 7Mt diviations Dan Irving has pointed out to us with this video series
Dan Irving
Did the original charismatic movement contain heresy? Yes. But it seems there is an opposite heresy in a misdirected attack upon a true work of God because the objects of his work are confused in their doctrine. Instruction, correction, rebuke; one of these, is always proper, but its easy to begin attacking the objects of God’s work because they follow errant teachers. If I recall, didn’t the AG disfellowship some of its senior people over their embrace of the Latter Rain movement? To me, that’s going too far. Remember Rhehoboam. I believe that when Elder James prophesied the restoration of the tabernacle of David (Acts 15:16), it was a mystical reference to this principle.
Varnel Watson
Well it may be time to define what heresy really is?
Dan Irving
We use that word a lot. I’m finding it means radically different things to different people. But it is used only once (Titus 3:10) in scripture. While Paul refers to such a one as worthy of disfellowshipping, his context seems fairly liberal so as to incorporate ANYone who resolutely chooses to strive in any unsound course or argument.
Terry Wiles
Yes. It’s time to define on this group what heresy meant historically.
Terry Wiles
Perhaps we can all agree that heresy is to deny the Diety of Jesus Christ.
Dan Irving
While the denial of Christ’s deity is certainly heresy, heresy consists of many different forms.
Terry Wiles
Dan Irving yes. Of course. But not many on this site would agree with them.
Varnel Watson
If denial of Christ’s deity is heresy, denial of Christ’s deity as part of thr Trinity should also be counted as #heresy
Terry Wiles
Yes. Those are fundamentals. However I don’t believe everyone on this group would agree. I’m with you.
Dan Irving
An interesting discussion would be “non-essential error”, vs heresy, vs apostasy.
Terry Wiles
Dan Irving. Then there would also be heresy from a Pentecostal perspective and heresy from a non Pentecostal perspective. That’s why I choose to define it as from scripture and Church history which was primarily from the church councils.
Dan Irving
True. Context would appear to be a factor, as declension from truth is far more severe than never having held it to begin with!
Street Preacherz
Jesus saves the sin sick soul. I’ll stand by that. He saves all that call upon his name. Sincerely, with godly sorrow, and faith in Him. Jesus I mean. Yes that Jesus, the only begotten Son of God. For sinners slain. There’s God the Father, the Redeemer His Son Jesus and the great Parakletos. He’s a big help I’ll tell. Smart, present, MIGHTY
Varnel Watson
Good discussion!
Street Preacherz
I’m still looking for the, “‘True Repentance’ sermon series.” Or is the cover photo a facade
Varnel Watson
Terry Wiles On Paper Assemblies of God USA has published a number of official statements taking stances against many NAR teachings. Here are some key NAR teachings that have been rejected by the denomination’s leadership.
The Assemblies of God has rejected the teaching that present-day apostles and prophets should govern the church (see papers titled “Endtime Revival”, “Apostles and Prophets,” and “Prophets and Personal Prophecies“)
The Assemblies of God has rejected the teaching that the church should work to take dominion of the earth prior to Christ’s return–a teaching known as “Kingdom Now” or “Dominion Theology” (see papers titled “Endtime Revival” and “The Kingdom of God“)
The Assemblies of God has rejected the teaching that the end-time church will become a victorious, militant army so it can take dominion of the earth–a teaching known as “Manifest Sons of God” or “Joel’s Army” (see paper titled “Endtime Revival”)
The Assemblies of God has rejected the teaching that Christians must identify a hierarchy of demonic spirits (also called “territorial spirits”) and wage battle against them for the gospel to advance–a teaching known as “strategic-level spiritual warfare” (see paper titled “Spiritual Warfare“)
The Assemblies of God has rejected the teaching that spiritual gifts, such as prophesying and healing people, can be imparted by church leaders through the practice of laying their hands on people (see paper titled “Imparting of Spiritual Gifts“)
http://ag.org/top/beliefs/position_papers/pp_downloads/pp_4195_apostles_prophets.pdf
Don martin
“Heresy” is one of the more abused word in Christanity, especially in “heresy hunter” websites. I think most will regard the term as a serious departure from a fundamental biblical truth (e.g., divinity of Christ).
So here’s the problem, that many use the H word to innapropriately leverage a relatively benign doctrinal difference to a major one.
Denigrating of other Christian groups in this way is Oden more about those who are “not of us”, sad to say. Correction above: Denigrating of other Christian groups in this way is OFTEN more about those who are “not of us”, sad to say. (Mark 9:38-40).
I also would caution using pejorative/prejudicial terms in describing various doctrinal views. These negative terms and descriptors often reflect extremes that do not represent the norm.
For example, there is a wide range of biblically derived views for kingdom establishment on earth, some of more merit than others (e.g GE Ladd).
SOME of Kingdom aspects are NOW, some later. Unfortunately, the prevailing knee-jerk connotation is that Kingdom Now is assumed to be the extreme version.
My main point: appropriate positioning and scaling of the theological positions need to prevail in discussions, rather than false dichotomy presumptions and negative labelling.
Derrick Stokes
Good
Varnel Watson
Yes Derrick Stokes Angel Ruiz It is important to note that the Assemblies of God deemed the Neo-Pentecostal Movement to contain heresy from the very beginning. The Assemblies of God officially denounced Neo-Pentecostal teaching, nearly splitting the denomination in the process. Pentecostal groups have passed similar resolutions. Resolution #16 was one such document Is it common for one move of God to condemn the next move of God?
Angel Ruiz
I grew up in a AG church… And have found that when such resolutions are passed it does not do it lightly…
As a Ordaned Minister in COG I have been very vocal about COG taking up such resolution.
Terry Wiles
And rightfully the AG should condemn manifestations of man yet embrace manifestations of the Divine such as salvation (Baptism “of” the Holy Spirit), Baptism “in” the Holy Spirit.
Troy Day
Their little book called “Ordination” was the result of ministers wanting to be “re-ordained” because of latter rain practices of “impartation” by man errors.
Varnel Watson
naah Terry Wiles so many divorced are now ordained
Sam Vanderburg
Wow! I have heard a few old time Pentecostal preachers on holy laughter. It certainly must have a different perspective than what I recall. Another – moaning in the spirit…is that different than what I have seen with people in prayer?
Repetitive phrases can be bothersome, but heretical? How many times? “Yes, Jesus Loves Me” hits three.
How many times have I seen a clothe prayed over, anointed, and sent home for someone who was ill or in another location?
I know there is some weird stuff happening that has absolutely no biblical basis and I do question those, but recall that similar practices fell due to their lack of real spiritual depth. Some of the stuff that went on in the Dakotas was wild and eventually blew up! It certainly took away for the preaching of the gospel and the acceptance of the Pentecostal movement in many areas. Even in our early movement there was a time that men could not wear short sleeves, the was teaching on different levels of expression of the power of God from dynamite on… Thank God that died.
Dan Martinez
I agree with you about repetition – there is a purpose and a value to it. Meditation involves focus, and repetition has a way to keep our gaze on the Lord or his attributes (e.g., Ps 107). Do you suppose there is a limit on how often the seraphims are allowed to repeat “Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.” ?
Varnel Watson
well like Angel Ruiz said, lots is changing in denominations and most of them dont even believe what they preach no more
Terry Wiles
So they must believe some of what they preach. (See the double negative)
Varnel Watson
aint no such thing no more
Varnel Watson
Sam Vanderburg and Peter Vandever IF we have to be completely honest in this discussion, as many others about our AG
it’s time ppl stop talking like fools and simply admit
– most of the times there is anew move worth riding our AG rides it all the way
– when it dont work – we resolute it and cover it up
– when it comes back we say the Resolution was not about that when we all know it was about that
– and so on until the next move
Dan Irving and Angel Ruiz have showed as so many times
Terry did you know?
Varnel Watson
Terry did you know
2017 stats are out and will you look at the numbers
2015 – – – 1.7%
2016 – – – 2.3%
2017 – – – 0.8%
Seems like with George gone the boost is over and we are back to 2012, 2014 numbers. Been trying to tell ppl
Sam Vanderburg
Numbers for what?
Varnel Watson
AG 2017 stats we’ve discussed with Terry Wiles
Terry Wiles
Troy Day. Evangelists do it all the time. It’s called “evangelastically” speaking.
Varnel Watson
well ware Just making the point AG is declining again
Angel Ruiz
There have been unusual practices within some Neo-Pentecostal churches that include, among others, the eating of grass, eating of snakes, drinking of petrol, spraying of Doom on the congregants and other experiences.
Jevan Little
Arent those mostly in Nigeria?
Angel Ruiz
South Africa
Varnel Watson
what about gravesakling in California?
Varnel Watson
the eating of grass, eating of snakes??? Angel Ruiz now you got my attention When Pentecostals stop believing in a pre-Trib rapture they start resorting to eating snakes Ricky Grimsley Terry did you know?
Ricky Grimsley
lol
Varnel Watson
#helo makes sense now; main food for the left behind
Michael Hazlewood
STUPID MEN of so little understanding pretending to be something when they are nothing
Varnel Watson
did you mean Assemblies of God?
Michael Hazlewood
Troy Day any one of them
Michael Hazlewood
Troy Day HOW is it that Holy Ghost filled people are condemning Holy Ghost filled people putting themselves in judgement above God ?
Varnel Watson
so are you a NEO Pentecostal ?
Michael Hazlewood
Troy Day what is a neo Pentecostal lol
Varnel Watson
you are quick to making less and less sense to me
Michael Hazlewood
Troy Day so what is it ?
Varnel Watson
So you dont know what neo pentecostalism is but are quick to condemn the whole thing at once 🙂
Michael Hazlewood
Troy Day Pentecostal is Holy Ghost filled people not a denomination
Varnel Watson
No one has claimed its a denomination but you http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/how-are-the-terms-pentecostal-charismatic-and-hyper-charismatic-used/
Michael Hazlewood
WHO is this ? It aint God nor The Word of God !!!!!!!!!!
Michael Hazlewood
IF Holy God fills someone with the Holy Ghost Baptism then He has excepted their sacrifice as holy and acceptable to Him and your opinion means WHAT ???????????????
Varnel Watson
excepted their sacrifice? – you will need to elaborate much more on what exactly do you mean here brother
Michael Hazlewood
why do I need to do that ?
Michael Hazlewood
Are You that unfamiliar with Scripture on OT sacrifice and just what part the Baptism in Jesus name and the Baptism of the Holy Ghost has to do with that
Nora Neel-Toney
I know the man of God on the right personally. He is a true man of God who preaches the Word of God. Be careful what you say about God’s chosen. This man has more anointing in his little finger than most preachers I know who speak in tongues. The Bible says “touch not my anointed”.
Nora Neel-Toney
This man wins more souls to God than Pentecostal preacher I know.
Varnel Watson
Michael Hazlewood or someone else? Who?
Michael Hazlewood
Troy Day Whether she speaks of me or another she is right scripturally and Spiritually ; I warn Rebuke Not an Elder ; it don’t work out to well
Varnel Watson
what exactly do you mean?
Nora Neel-Toney
Troy Day you posted a photo of a true man of God whom you probably know nothing about. He is a true anointed man of God and has won over 5,000 souls to Christ in Three years of ministry. I have been in services with this man of God and I know him personally. I don’t know where you got his photo but you should be ashame to post his photo. There is more anointing on his life than most Pentecostal preachers I know and heard preach.
Varnel Watson
Yes I just wanted to clarify that you were not talking about Michael Hazlewood because he made it sound like you were talking of him and you dont even know him
Michael Hazlewood
Troy Day I never did such a thing shame on you
Michael Hazlewood
Troy Day I did not say she was talking about me or even suggested it and your attack was made before my statement So ???
Varnel Watson
Michael Hazlewood you literally said
Troy Day Whether she speaks of me…
Did you NOT say that just above?
Michael Hazlewood
Troy Day No I did not but this shows just how easily you can be deceived
Varnel Watson
So if you did not type this here, did someone else from your profile did? Pls review what you said by clicking on this link
https://www.facebook.com/groups/pentecostaltheologygroup/permalink/2217001435021526/?comment_id=2217723234949346&reply_comment_id=2218202044901465&comment_tracking=%7B%22tn%22%3A%22R%22%7D
Michael Hazlewood
Troy Day What level of comprehension is your reading and writing at ?
Varnel Watson
OK I see you are not man enough to stand by your words No problem – seen your kind before 🙂
Nora Neel-Toney
Troy the photo I was talking about is on my right, the one with the yellow tie and bald
Nora Neel-Toney
Troy Day your comments aren’t very Christ like.
AB Robertson
I would like you to DEFINE your understanding of the word NEO-Pentecostalism…
need to make sure everyone is on the same page.
Varnel Watson
http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/pentecostal-charismatic-hyper-charismatic/
Daniel J Hesse
Interesting, yet the pastors embrace the Dominionist teachings on the 7 mountains?
Varnel Watson
it is true and confirmed by resolution 16 Gary Micheal Epping