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Arminianism is not Pelagianism No true Bible scholar believes they are the same
[Semi-Pelagianism] While not denying the necessity of Grace for salvation, Semi-Pelagianism maintains that the first steps towards the Christian life are ordinarily taken by the human will and that Grace supervened only later.
[Arminianism] In contrast to semi-pelagianism, Arminianism teaches that the first steps of grace are taken by God. This teaching derives from the Remonstrance of 1610, a codification of the teachings of Jacob Arminius (1559-1609).
SEE ALL differences between Semi-Pelagianism and Arminian Beliefs
Jimmy Humphrey [12/22/2015 5:55 AM]
The charge of “Semi-pelagianism” is simply a tired slur of reformed theologians living in the past and battling ghosts that mostly don’t exist anymore.
John Kissinger [12/22/2015 5:57 AM]
Calvinators know that well but they still repeat it like there’s no tomorrow Charles Page http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/why-am-i-not-a-calvinist/
Jimmy Humphrey [12/22/2015 6:01 AM]
They must parrot it because that’s all reformed theologians tend to do. Their theological system is so enclosed upon a certain line of reasoning that they become absolutely dependent on reciting it over and over again. It’s a strange addiction to a language, without which their views could not exist.
Jimmy Humphrey [12/22/2015 6:03 AM]
It must hurt their hearts so much when they read the apostle Paul and never find him tossing down the same language they do
John Kissinger [12/22/2015 6:03 AM]
after all if you are predestined to parrot – you parrot!
Jimmy Humphrey [12/22/2015 6:05 AM]
I find it funny, reformed theologians insist on sola fide, but they don’t even believe a man is justified by faith in their ordo salutos. They believe a man is justified by election. “Faith” then becomes a mere item on a checklist, instead of something by which you become saved.
John Kissinger [12/22/2015 6:07 AM]
no true Calvinator has a problem with Steve Harvey moderating God’s final judgement! Charles Page
Ricky Grimsley [12/22/2015 7:02 AM]
I cant believe that the argument between calvanism and armenianism still rages on. They are both full of flaws.
Jimmy Humphrey [12/22/2015 7:52 AM]
The truth is unless you are preaching something that sounds a little bit like both, you probably aren’t preaching as you should 🙂
John Kissinger [12/22/2015 7:57 AM]
or not preaching at all 🙂
Timothy D McCune [12/22/2015 10:12 AM]
IN order for a man/woman to be saved they must heed the call of salvation from God. Where does the confusion come in?
Ricky Grimsley [12/22/2015 10:40 AM]
I think the confusion comes from people’s desire to abdicate their responsibilities. Both calvanism and armenianism teach that God exhaustively knows the future. Whether by decree or by knowing the future as a settled fact, the outcome is the same. At the basest level you have no choices and therefore arent responsible because (God already knows or he made me that way) arguments. I think most people live as open-theists even though in their minds they think calvin or armenianism. Otherwise prayer is nonsense. So are all the concepts of an emotional, loving, and wise God. Calvanism and armenianism both have scriptures they basically disregard.
Varnel Watson
Wayne Scott It will do you well to review this comparison brother
Varnel Watson
Wayne Scott Do YOU affirm:
III.That man has not saving grace of himself, nor of the working of his own free-will, inasmuch as in his state of apostasy and sin he can for himself and by himself think nothing that is good–nothing, that is, truly good, such as saving faith is, above all else. But that it is necessary that by God, in Christ and through his Holy Spirit he be born again and renewed in understanding, affections and will and in all his faculties, that he may be able to understand, think, will, and perform what is truly good, according to the Word of God [John 15:5].
IV.That this grace of God is the beginning, the progress and the end of all good; so that even the regenerate man can neither think, will nor effect any good, nor withstand any temptation to evil, without grace precedent (or prevenient), awakening, following and co-operating. So that all good deeds and all movements towards good that can be conceived in through must be ascribed to the grace of God in Christ. But with respect to the mode of operation, grace is not irresistible; for it is written of many that they resisted the Holy Spirit [Acts 7 and elsewhere passim].
Varnel Watson
Link Hudson whats your take on pelagianism? Does it involve 2 dieties as well ? Seems very dualistic in nature Charles
Charles Page
Wayne Scott
Charles Page
Wesleyanism is not Pelagianism as they hold to original sin. Classical Arminianism hols to original sin and thus is not Pelagian.
Pelagianism is a denial of original sin.
Louise Cummings
You can’t deny it. Or you either got to let go of false doctrine and believe the Bible. Or you are going down the wrong road. On either one of what I read. I know about Calvinist. They teach a false doctrine. And people are falling fore it every day. Please trade the Bible and repent of your sins. I really need to open peoples eyes. Or you don’t want your family to end up in the wrong place or anyone else. But they , through the devil has blinded them. And now they are preaching it from the pulpit. Sending people that believes that to where good honest people don’t want to go. But the devil has blinded their eyes.
Louise Cummings
Well I haven’t read much on the Wesleyanism , but if they hold what you said , not believing in the original sin. Where do they think it started. They are teaching a false doctrine also. I don’t much about their teaching. But I know what you said they believe. But Calvinist , makes my skin crawl. I almost have to repent , because it makes me so angry. Well I started to say something I guess I need to rephrase, or not say it. But I can understand why Jesus turned the tables over and run them out because He said they was making His house a den of thieves. I can’t stand hearing a church teaching false doctrine. Lord forgive me if I got to angry in the wrong way. But You said Your Word was Powerful and Sharper than an two edge Sword. And would not return Void.
Louise Cummings
I’m sorry but it breaks my heart. I’ve got grand children that goes to that church. And Nieces and Nephews that goes I don’t know if they believe that part or not. I can’t see why any one could.
Varnel Watson
RT Charles Page Wesleyanism is not Pelagianism as they hold to original sin.
They do not hold to original sin but want to get rid of it
They do not deny original sin but deny sin is original
Philip Williams is being so catholic include penance? – that will be great to know nowadays
Philip Williams
Troy Day first, I am Pelagian not Arminian. Second, I base my understanding of Pelagius’s views on his actual writings and not on the slander of Arminians and other Calvinists.
I do believe that we should publicly confess our sins. Of course we should do penance as we may wish to do out of gratitude to God or as might also be needed for reconciliation with those against whom we have sinned.
Varnel Watson
oh boy oh boy Wayne Scott must be praying in his dream Here we go Joe Absher
but more seriously Philip Williams How does the very Pentecostal foundation of Grace Alone fit a Pelagian non Arminian holiness sanctification ?
Philip Williams
Troy Day Pelagius’s extant writings are the most powerful defense of justification by faith between the Apostle Paul and Martin Luther and superior to the latter.
Varnel Watson
I am aware and read long time ago ONLY 2
Around 418 Pelagius was asked by Albina, Pinianus, and Melania, wealthy Roman converts to Christianity,
to provide a written condemnation of all that had been alleged against him. In response he provided the following
anathema in their presence. It is unclear whether this is the complete written statement or just a fragment. It is found
quoted in Augustine of Hippo’s two part work “On The Grace Of Christ, And On Original Sin”.
“I anathematize the man who either thinks or says that the grace of God, whereby ‘Christ Jesus came into the world to
save sinners,’ is not necessary not only for every hour and for every moment, but also for every act of our lives: and
those who endeavor to disannul it deserve everlasting punishment.”
-Signed by Pelagius
Varnel Watson
Philip Williams that the righteous shall live by faith alone is clarified by Paul to no doubt – any works added go against grace alone I mean even Link Hudson will need to agree with that
Link Hudson
You are trying hard with the tagging to get me to join. I have not read Pelegius’ own writings so I am sitting this one out.
Varnel Watson
no take on salvation through grace alone?
Joe Absher
Thank you