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The Archbishop of Canterbury, Justin Welby, has spoken of his daily discipline praying in tongues and seeking words of knowledge and prophecy from others in a wide ranging interview with Premier. The head of the Church of England has admitted: “It’s not something to make a great song and dance about, given it’s usually extremely early in the morning it’s not usually an immensely ecstatic moment.”
The practice of ‘speaking in tongues’ is a phenomenon in which Christians speak in languages unknown to the speaker, or in a ‘divine language’ when praying to God or as an act of worship. ‘Words of knowledge’ and ‘prophecy’ are messages people believe to be revelations given to them by God about people or future events. Both are common practises in pentecostal and charismatic churches such as Holy Trinity Brompton, London where Justin Welby was a member before becoming a priest in the Church of England.
Leader of the world’s Anglicans, Justin Welby the Archbishop of Canterbury, prays in tongues daily and seeks “words of knowledge” and prophecies. But he added “It’s not something to make a great song and dance about, given it’s usually extremely early in the morning it’s not usually an immensely ecstatic moment.”
Welby said: “In my own prayer life, and as part of my daily discipline I pray in tongues and prophesy every day – not as an occasional thing, but as part of daily prayer.”
He went on to say how he has also been encouraged by those words of knowledge and prophecy. “I expect to hear from God through other people with words of knowledge or prophecies – some of which I am unsure about, others I can sense there being something of the Spirit of God.”
Varnel Watson
Robert Franzen just for you BTW William DeArteaga should we rightly accept this statement as pertaining to actual Pentecostal practices or is this just a private interpretation?
Robert Franzen
Troy Day Good morn Troy. I haven’t read the article but what I’m seeing & pointing out is what I believe to be the work of the Holy Spirit – the bigger picture of what He is doing in the earth if you will – rather than being a judge & judging everyone’s personal experiences & interpretations; & all that minutia, will never work out or go away, it’s almost (to a degree) a wast of precious time.
I believe as the world is waxing worse & worse, the true Church is being more unified. Not that man is doing anything to do this but the Holy Spirit is bringing the eastern & western flavors of Christianity more together & to start to having the same fragrance of the Holy Spirit – though different expressions of worship. (Not that England is eastern but HS is moving in the Eastern Orthodox as well).
What I mean is this good example of the Charismatic movement – the work of the Holy Spirit moving across denominational lines. He has & still doing this work & we would be wise to be apart of what God is doing rather than trying to referee everyone to believe & practice like us Pentecostals. Pentecostals are sadly famous for doing this. Pentecostals need a lot of major maturing & to catch up educationally.
We are called to be righteous over being right.
Grace without truth is mean – meaningless.
But when grace & truth come together – dunamis/Powerful/dynamite!
Robert Franzen
Troy Day in all genuineness, I am not going to waste time arguing and debating over foolish things like translations of the Bible, if the NLT’s of God or not. That’s foolishness and a waste of time to me. Especially with people who don’t understand biblical criticism. I enjoy appropriate debates and scholarly work and realize the importance of having good translations peer reviewed between highly trained scholars is vitally important & we should leave that work for the trained to do. The rest should be adding to the church etc etc.
Keep the main thing the main thing bro.
Blessings
Varnel Watson
If you think ” foolish things like translating of the Bible ” are not important enough OH WELL all is well but a lot of us here think they are pretty important you see
Robert Franzen
Troy Day again, that’s not what I said. Translating the Scriptures is all important & I take that very seriously. & the NLT (though not what I use) is a decent paraphrase version. It’s a very good paraphrase version by an excellent committee of scholars. What I have read of it was excellent. Again, for Paul’s writings is very good. It’s excellent work for what it is – a paraphrase version. Something people of caliber really don’t use in study but occasional use to communicate.
I hope you don’t interpret the Bible like you interpret my posts ?
I tend not to sweat the small stuff
Varnel Watson
Did you not say what I quoted here?
” foolish things like translating of the Bible “
Link Hudson
I have the video going. The text part does not say he prophesies himself daily. It says he seeks prophecies and words of knowledge from others.
Let us pray that someone will prophesy to him to take a stronger stance on sexual morality: http://anglican.ink/2018/05/25/what-does-justin-welby-think-about-same-sex-marriage/
if he hasn’t heard that repeatedly already.
Varnel Watson
Welby said: “In my own prayer life, and as part of my daily discipline I pray in tongues and prophesy every day – not as an occasional thing, but as part of daily prayer.” 🙂
Link Hudson
Troy Day Yeah, he speaks in tongues in the morning, but is open to prophecies from others.
Varnel Watson
says prophesy daily except if I am misreading
Link Hudson
Troy Day That’s what the title says. But the article says, “has spoken of his daily discipline praying in tongues and seeking words of knowledge and prophecy from others in a wide ranging…”
I did not hear him say he prophesied every day in the interview either. He apparently reads them.
Link Hudson
He says that all Christians are filled with the Spirit, and that Paul is clear on that. I would disagree. Paul writes about the saints having seal of the Spirit. But he commands believers to ‘Be filled with the Spirit’ which indicates that no tall are. But I agree that there is a problem with ‘Charismatic’ being a ‘tribal things’–Charismatic being a clique or special group. The Holy Spirit is for all the saints.
Varnel Watson
yes Link Hudson do you think it is possible to do both? ordain gay and speak in tongues – many already do; A few years back the Anglican church mainly its London city diocese put out a call for young ministers. They had many vacant churches but NO ministers to appoint. Offering great package, many charismatic young ministers took the call and were ordained as anglican vicars promoting hillsong like worship style in the older London cathedral – what will be the outcome? I’ve tagged William DeArteaga on this
Link Hudson
It might be possible to say ‘Lord, Lord’, prophesy, cast out demons, and do many wonderful works and ordain gays. Balaam prophesied. Caiphas prophesied. Judas had authority to raise the dead.
Varnel Watson
I find it an interesting move that young pentecostal preachers may fall for – just like the Ulf Ekkman and catholicism
Link Hudson
It bothers me that Welby says he doesn’t know about some of these issues of homosexuality. How could he not know? Some things yeah, like ‘why did so and so have these feelings at a young age?’– but not knowing sex acts between men, for example, are wrong…there is something wrong with that. I could understand not knowing how to apply church discipline if you come from a state church. Pentecostals rarely much attempt at following Biblical chuch discipline practices it seems, too.
Maybe he’s being diplomatic. Let’s pray for him for boldness.
Joe Absher
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The 25 minute mark is the discussion on transgender people using the baptism “as a mark of transition”
“”The priest provides a liturgy for people that have gone through transition” he insists however “there is no change of doctrine” “looks like baptism but it’s a way of saying who I am..”
so essentially in a vulgar summary it may be said he prays in the Holy Ghost in the morning, and baptizes homosexuals in the evening.
Rico Hero
If the Archbishop has the supernatural gift of speaking in another language, I pray he seeks an interpreter of that language and see if God really wants the Anglican Church to bless same sex couples. Here in Vancouver , the Anglican diocese priests are mostly homosexual. The Anglican church down the street from me ( St. James Church) the gay priest is actually married to his male partner.
Link Hudson
nasty
Varnel Watson
I think Rico beat me to it
Varnel Watson
Link facebook is not working very well for me this PM so I will have to re-post what I found later on when its fixed