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A Proper Christian Response to the 2016 Indiana Primaries
#TRUMP has defeated his Republican rivals in six straight contests. In Indiana, he could demoralize them. Republican rivals in six straight contests. In Indiana, he could demoralize them.
@Stan Wayne would want us to believe that with this Trump would win the GOP nominations (though the math for that does not really add up)
@Henry Volk would want us to #feelTHEburn though the socialistic push by Bernie could be matched only by Hillary
Texans in the group @Roger David @John Conger @Ricky Grimsley may favor Cruz, but buddy is he between a rock and a hard place tonight?
@Alan N Carla Smith would want us to establish a moral compass that points beyond Hillary in this election, but as @Jon Sellers has pointed out before she is still very much a threat fear to the republican agenda
With this in mind, Christians, especially Pentecostal Christians, seem to be divided in the 2016 primaries. But will they come united at the end and what would be the theological significance of such union within the evangelical vote and the religious right?
Roger David
No matter who wins…we will still have to deal with a wicked world and preach the truth despite any persecution we may face. The only difference that will be made by who gets in power is how long we will have the right to speak the truth.
Varnel Watson
So said Glenn Beck with his The good, bad and ugly political slogan. Is this what conservative Christians really believe? http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/05/02/glenn-beck-god-prolonged-gop-primary-every-state-choose-good-evil/
Mike Stidham
Says the Mormon heretic. Beck has all the credibility of a chameleon.
Ricky Grimsley
I favor trump over cruz.
Ricky Grimsley
I feel like cruz is more dishonest than trump. I was a rand paul guy.
Varnel Watson
Ricky Grimsley Then you are a Texan about as much Stan Wayne
John Conger
heresy
Varnel Watson
Beck?
Roger David
I’m a Canadian Texan…of course I have to favor Cruz.
John Conger
you’re from Canadian texas? i was just up in perryton a couple weeks ago
Roger David
I’m originally from the GTA(Greater Toronto Area) in Ontario Canada. Now living in Texas. I can’t vote so my opinion doesn’t mean much.
Varnel Watson
Would be interesting to hear from our senior citizens in the group who depend on Social Security Luchen Bailey Stan Wayne Jim Price Alan
Mike Stidham
I’m not a senior citizen yet (got 5 years to go), but at present we live on my wife’s disability payments. I have a real problem voting for Republicans who believe this to be an “entitlement” and that people who collect such payments are “leeches” and “takers”.
It’d be really nice if a conservative flank arose in the Democratic party again that disdained abortion, etc. so voting wouldn’t be such an exercise in cognitive dissonance for me.
Jon Sellers
I believe the truth matters to all Christians. Because Jesus Christ is truth personified. Therefore truthfulness in other areas of life and information is very important. In this election we have a serious problem with truth telling. Hillary Clinton has lied about the Benghazi event and the nature of the cause of that attack and death of the ambassador and the others.
Donald Trump has lied about a number of things and just today was lying about Ted Cruz’s father being associated with Lee Harvey Oswald and the death of JFK. Of course, Trump got his information from his favorite news source, the National Enquirer.
Ted Cruz responded and I think we all need to hear very carefully what Ted Cruz says and his assessment of Donald Trump, the man. I agree with Ted Cruz in this regard, 100%. If we elect a person whether, Hillary or Trump, who are known to be habitual and pathological liars, then we have brought upon ourselves a great deception.
http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/05/03/ted-cruz-unloads-trump-indiana-im-going-tell-really-think-donald-trump.-video/
Varnel Watson
I agree with Jon Sellers truth matters to all Christians and it should matter to ALL who call themselves Christians. Many have stated that IF Mr. Trump becomes president they will go live in Canada, Australia or even Mars
Stan Wayne
Good grief – you fail to see the phenomenon of labor voting republican, the country being potentially saved from Muslim invaders
Jon Sellers
Stan, one of the things we have learned about Donald Trump is that he does not keep his promises very well. Several years ago he promised to make Scotland great again. He was going to do that by building a great golf course on the northern shore on the pristine undisturbed sand dunes. He built the course but did not keep his promises to create the jobs, and tourism that would make it great. Now it is losing money. He defrauded banks four times in multiple bankruptcies, he had to have a Saudi prince bail him out financially, and he has lied about every Republican candidate this season. The man is a pathological liar and a narcissist and should receive serious psychological examination.
Varnel Watson
Stan Wayne can always move back to Australia. Where can we go if Trump goes south? Texas?
Stan Wayne
I give up – just roll with the punches
Varnel Watson
Truth is CRUZ’S EVANGELIST FATHER RE-EMERGED in INDIANA and is tied up to the New Apostolic Reformation and the Christian Reconstructionism plus the The Seven Mountain Mandate #NAR http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-seven-mountain-mandate-nar/
Jon Sellers
Troy, did you know that the original seven mountain idea came from Loren Cunningham of YWAM and Bill Bright of Campus Crusade for Christ. They each had separate dreams about how Christians can influence culture beyond the already well known and practiced method of preaching the gospel. So they feel that God told them that Christians can become influential, not take over, but by excellence and pursuit can contribute to the seven mountains that influence culture. It is really pretty simple and has nothing to do with Reconstructionism. Reconstruction is a Calvinist vision of imposing Old Testament law upon the nation. Neither Ted Cruz nor his father are Calvinists, and neither have anything to do with that idea. Ted Cruz is a constitutionalist and by definition would never support anything like Reconstructionism.
Mike Stidham
Reconstructionism may have sprung from Calvinist roots, but it caught on among charismatics in a big way.
Varnel Watson
Jon Sellers It’s been toyed around with. We discussed it when MIKE #BICKLE OF #IHOP ENDORSED #TEDCRUZ and of course #YWAM came into question, but the important theological question here is WHAT a WIN or DEFEAT tonight means for #NAR Reconstruction/Calvinist theology? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/mike-bickle-of-ihop-just-endorsed-ted-cruz/
Jon Sellers
Well, I don’t know that we have any idea how NAR will be affected by the election. Especially since Bill Johnson’s wife Beni is a very rabid Trump supporter. And Lance Wallnau is 100% pro Trump. And in fact Rafael Cruz is not a part of NAR. So I think to get an idea of the impact we would have to look at how people like these respond once the election is over.
Varnel Watson
Jon Sellers Agreed. This is what we spoke about a few weeks back that though Cruz is the #NAR persona, the NAR ministers in the video prayed for Trump at his NY tower http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/should-pentecostals-pray-for-donald-trumps-presidency/
Jon Sellers
You see this is the problem when falsehood is promoted as truth. It has never been true that Ted Cruz or his father are spokespersons for NAR theology.
Jon Sellers
I believe that a spirit of deception has gone out of the mouth of Donald Trump and is deceiving millions of people, and unfortunately many many Christians.
Ricky Grimsley
Lol you just described every politician you can name.
Jon Sellers
Ricky Grimsley I know that’s a popular sentiment, but I don’t really believe it’s true. There are actually some good people in office. I don’t want to broad brush every Christian to be a certain way or every church denomination to be a certain way nor every politician to be a certain way. But the sad fact is that Trump is a pathological liar. This is more than just political talk to try to appeal to as many people as possible. I believe he has a serious psychological issue.
Ricky Grimsley
And cruz doesnt lie? The clintons are liars. The bush family are liars. You dont get anywhere near real power without them having enough dirt to control you. Just ask dennis hastert. That guy was touching little boys before he ever tan for office. Have you never heard of bohemian grove? They are all evil. Do you think it is a coincidence that all but one of our presidents were directly related to king john of england?
Jon Sellers
Ricky Grimsley the list of corrupt politicians is a mile long and goes back for centuries. But again it is not about broad brushes, but looking at individuals.
Ted Cruz is a Christian, as is Carly, and is a man of integrity ,character and patriotic vision.
Ricky Grimsley
Seriously man if you think cruz is a christian or fiorina either you might want to research some more. Especially if you thought the bush family were christians too?
Varnel Watson
Jon Sellers Are you saying a split convention for GOP ?
Jon Sellers
Yes, Abraham Lincoln won the nomination on either the second or third ballot. Let us not forget that the Republican Party is not the government, but is instead a private entity that is created to put forth candidates for public office. As a party they then develop a political philosophy and platforms that they hope will appeal to enough Americans that they can get elected. The primary process is a way of putting the candidates out there to find out what people think and which candidates seem to resonate the most with the public. However, the rules have been in place for a long time and they are very clear that no one can be nominated unless they get 1237 delegate votes at the convention on either the first ballot or a subsequent ballot. And it is also still true that the non-Trump vote is larger than the pro Trump vote nationwide as counted so far in all the primaries and caucuses held. So the best thing is for Ted Cruz to win Indiana and California and to go to a contested convention where the delegates who have been chosen by their states can vote for the candidate they prefer.
Luchen Bailey
As a Senior citizen living on social security, it is more like social in-security. I hear a people make the statement, “I’m not going to vote, I don’t like any of them.” the following is part of one of my past post. One thing we Americans hold dear to our heart is the opportunity to express our-self in the election process. Many, however don’t thing that their vote means any thing. I have heard it said that my vote doesn’t count so why vote? Please don’t take that attitude go VOTE. If you feel like being patriotic please feel free to re-post this. The next time you ask if one votes count, consider the following:
1. 1776, by one vote gave America the English language, over German.
2. 1920, by one vote women were given the wright to vote.
3. 1850 California was admitted to the union by one vote.
4.1941, Selective Service act (draft) was passed by one vote margin, this was done just one week before Pearl Harbor. Dec. 7, 1941.
5. 1923, November 8, members of the them recently formed revolutionary political party, by one vote chose Adolph Hitler to be the leader of the Nazi Party.
6. 1868, one vote in the U. S. Senate saved President Andrew Jackson from impeachment.
I will in the near future post the entire statement.
So I ask you to express your God given privilege as an American to vote. Luchen Bailey.http://andnowyouknowmore.blogspot.com
Varnel Watson
July 1920, with a number of primarily southern states adamantly opposed to the amendment, it all came down to Tennessee. It appeared that the amendment might fail by one vote in the Tennessee house, but twenty-four-year-old Harry Burns surprised observers by casting the deciding vote for ratification. At the time of his vote, Burns had in his pocket a letter he had received from his mother urging him, “Don’t forget to be a good boy” and “vote for suffrage.” Women had finally won the vote.
Stan Wayne
Give it up guys Trump is winning by more than Cruz Kasich together – just save Cruz till he has more experience
Jon Sellers
For the good of America we must deny Trump the White House. I don’t want to go bankrupt. I don’t want another war. I don’t want to increase costs of every import. I don’t want to destroy our economy. I don’t want a slate of liberal Supreme Court justices. I don’t want Trump or any of his liberal Democrat values.
Jon Sellers
How can you have any confidence in a man who contradicts himself all the time.
Jon Sellers
https://www.facebook.com/DigitalAfro2.0/videos/518242555023871/
Ricky Grimsley
We cant deny trump anything. Your vote has never counted ever #electoralcollege. The party picks the nominee regardless of popular vote and then the electoral college picks the president and we dont even know who they are. Lol. Its God who sets up and takes down kings anyway.
Stan Wayne
Very confused people above full of the Spirit
Varnel Watson
So this is that Stan Wayne and so much for Cruz. True conservatives are now left with the not so true conservative Trump. Does this mean a split nomination?
Ricky Grimsley
No matter how you feel about trump, you cant possibly prefer Hillary.
Varnel Watson
Seems to be heading to these only 2 choices http://www.christianpost.com/news/bill-clinton-donald-trump-follow-him-like-moses-into-the-promised-land-hillary-157941/
Stan Wayne
No it means what we have been praying for – the destruction and rebirth of the parties with south and northern labor joining with conservatives as nationalists
Varnel Watson
Jimmy Humphrey had a good response about if Trump is really a TRUE conservative! https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ted-cruz-drops-out-of-the-republican-presidential-race/2016/05/03/8f955a06-0fe7-11e6-81b4-581a5c4c42df_story.html?wpisrc=nl_az_most Polls say if elections were today (after IN) results would be Clinton 54% vs Trump with 41%…
Terry Wiles
Do you want this?
Varnel Watson
Terry Wiles Trump promises to obliterate Clinton’s record but Bill tells a different story https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-promises-to-obliterate-clintons-record/2016/05/03/7caabb82-10b6-11e6-8967-7ac733c56f12_story.html?wpisrc=nl_az_most
Terry Wiles
https://www.democrats.org/people/lgbt-community
Terry Wiles
https://www.democrats.org/issues/civil-rights
Terry Wiles
https://www.democrats.org/Post/750
Terry Wiles
It is important to know what you are voting for. Other important issues are gun rights, supreme court justices, embracing Islam as a peaceful religion, teaching children about their “right” to choose their gender at pre-teen ages… the list goes on and on.
Roger David
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2016/05/04/todd-starnes-crass-beat-class-but-nation-can-survive-trump-presidency.html?intcmp=hpbt1
Mike Stidham
Well, it looks like Stan was vindicated here. Cruz dropped out last night and Kasich has just now thrown in the towel as well.
Varnel Watson
John Kasich: Republican Candidate to Suspend His Presidential Campaign said he was canceling an appearance to make a statement at 5 p.m. EDT in Columbus, Ohio. Multiple outlets reported the candidate is set to announce the end of his campaign. Stan Wayne was right about everything! http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/05/us/politics/john-kasich.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur&_r=0
Stan Wayne
Sorry guys and girls – I don’t know if it is spiritual or natural insight but a Cruz loving friend told me I was disqualified from spiritual insight
Varnel Watson
Except for one thing Stan Wayne As it is right now Clinton beats Trump 54 to 41%. It’s a great political abyss to cover till November especially if Trump does NOT get the GOP nomination next month http://www.cnn.com/2016/05/04/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-poll-general-election/ The new CNN/ORC Poll, completed ahead of Trump’s victory last night, found Clinton leads 54% to 41%, a 13-point edge over the New York businessman, her largest lead since last July.
Stan Wayne
Impossible – he will take her down – labor lives Trump the South loves Trump whites love Trump a few blacks (more than for Romney) love trump
Stan Wayne
Look at Real Clear Politics
Varnel Watson
Stan Wayne I just did. Clinton leads on virtually every poll !!! http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html May be Jim Price will sober you up like Luchen Bailey did yesterday 🙂
Stan Wayne
This is Deja vu – Christians saying Trump can’t do it
Varnel Watson
What Christians? If we are talking political take-over with #NAR theology they just had their defeat with Cruz. Too late to jump ship and too little to make a difference. Trump does not have the evangelical vote because evangelicals dont know what is Donald Trump’s plan for America? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/what-is-donald-trumps-plan-is-for-america/
Terry Wiles
It’s unbelievable that people who call themselves evangelical Christians and know what HC’s plan for America is would ever vote for her and would refuse to vote for anyone because they don’t like the alternative.
Abortion and gender choice inclusiveness alone should make them fall on their knees and cry out to God that “anyone” else gets in office.
Stan Wayne
I am a Christian – I have believed that either Ben Carson or Trump both lacking experience – were the ones for this moment in history to destroy the republican and democrat status quo
Terry Wiles
And so 4 years of Clinton is better?
Varnel Watson
No, Trump Isn’t Actually Better than Hillary
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/433405/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-equally-terrible-conservatives
Terry Wiles
Wait for her Supreme Court appointments and we will see.
Ricky Grimsley
Until I see Trump set up his image up in a newly built hebrew temple for us to worship……i say we take a chance with him. There is no doubt in my mind that Hillary is evil.
Varnel Watson
Let’s go Christian world conspiracy on Trump for a moment. Trump in Jewish Gematria Equals: 470. same as Russia, Tsunami, Religious, Reptillian Blood, Red Handed Caught, Mental Illness, So Sue Me, The Grim Reaper, Egocentric Bigot, Numbered Bible King , Russia 2018, He Is The Loser and so on 🙂 Man, who makes this up – you cant make it up Alan N Carla Smith http://www.gematrix.org/?word=trump
Stan Wayne
Stop – pray – listen
Varnel Watson
I think we’ve actually listen enough. Does anyone even believe this anymore? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/trump-shall-become-gods-trumpet-to-america/