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London Closes 500 Churches to Open 423 New Mosques
Robert Erwine
Alhamdulillah !
Neil Steven Lawrence
Demons entering now!
Isara Mo
Neil Steven Lawrence
Was there a church or churches in the first place?
One religion giving way to another religion , one culture to another culture…
Jesus said the gates of hell shall not overcome the CHURCH …
No one can drive Jesus AWAY to establish their dominion it is just that there was no church(es) in the first place…
Darkness cannot drive away light…
Neil, can demons enter into your church and drive you away?…
Neil Steven Lawrence
Isara Mo I was simply stating the truth from a spiritual perspective. With Islam come demons. In the history of Islam after the first 60 years of their expansion they destroyed 30,000 churches in Egypt and Syria alone.
Allah is not The God of the Bible but a demon.
Isara Mo
Neil Steven Lawrence
I know.
Neil Steven Lawrence
Isara Mo OK brother
Charles Page
Allah is the God of the Bible and certainly not a demon!! How absurd can you be?
Varnel Watson
were you referring to what Robert Erwine wrote
Isara Mo
Charles Page
Soldier you always stoke up the fire…
Charles Page
Troy Day Alḥamdulillāh is an Arabic phrase meaning “praise be to God”, sometimes translated as “thank God.” This phrase is called ḥamdala
Charles Page
If you were in an Arabic Christian c hurch service you would hear this phrase with uplifted hands unto Jesus.
Neil Steven Lawrence
Charles Page We will never hear the name Allah pronounced in heaven! It is not a name that the God of the Bible – Yahweh would’ve chosen for himself. It is not even the word pre-Islamic Arabs used. Even as Islam was being created by Abdi al Malik (the Caliph of Damascus, known as the great Arab reformer) they chose the compound word:
al ilah – meaning: “the god”
The name Mohammed is only mentioned four times in the Koran. But their name for Jesus (Issa) is mention 92 times. Most of the time, The one they think of it as Mohamad, is just called “the prophet.“
Islam is merely a creation of one man: Abdi al Malik. He did it to justify the conquest of the five major cities of the Levant. Afterwords the Christians and the Jews still ruled the cities and other urban areas as: Mawalis. The Arabs could not manage urban areas because they were people who lived in tents in the desert. When they came up against the superior culture they had to justify their ability to conquest so they created: “their prophet.”
Within 100 years the Arabs (later to being known as Muslims)wiped out 1/3 of all the churches and Lands belonging to the Christians.
This one hour video is the best explanation I have ever found in my nine years of studying Islam. Dr. Jay Smith has been ministering to Muslims for 35 years. He is a Christian polemicist.
https://youtu.be/fMJRsd8SrhU
Charles Page
Neil Steven Lawrence are we dealing with radical Islam or the people of Islam. I believe there is a big difference between the two. I am talking about the people of Islam and by that distinction the Arabic Christians who use the word Allah for God.
Charles Page
I also don’t believe we will hear the word Yahweh pronounced in heaven!!
Charles Page
We don’t know the language that is spoken in heaven!
Neil Steven Lawrence
Charles Page and why don’t you tell what you just said to all the messianic Jews and all the genuine Christians in the world and see if they don’t give you a tongue lashing!
Charles Page
Neil Steven Lawrence Jesus told us we will get tongue lashing for speaking out
Gary Micheal Epping
Nearly all learned scholars on both sides agree that the God of the bible and the god of Islam are not the same.
Neil Steven Lawrence
Gary Micheal Epping you are exactly right. They are not the same. There are two sides to meaning: significance & value.
Significance: the general idea of a concept.
God – supreme, eternal, all powerful
In this way Yahweh and Allah are theologically similar.
Value: the specific qualities of an idea
Yahweh – loves mankind, man made in his image, patient, withholding judgment, redeeming man by dying himself as a sacrifice, prince of peace, covenant making God, offering grace salvation forgiveness; etc.
Allah – never said to love man, man not made in his image, capricious & will judge anybody anytime at his own whim, never provides redemption for man, no guarantee of salvation for a Muslims even if they do the five pillars; no covenant, no grace no salvation no forgiveness, no sacrifice for sins in Islam.
Any reference to the Old Testament in the Quran comes from the Jewish apocrypha. Any reference to the New Testament in the Quran comes from gnostic writings. Therefore there is no word of God in the Quran coming from the Bible!
I could go on and on…
Troy Day Charles Page
Charles Page
For linguistic purposes the Arabic word for God is Allah and that word is used by Christians and Muslims.
Isara Mo
Neil Steven Lawrence
But Neil demons have existed long before even Islam.came along isnt it?…
The name JESUS makes all the difference amongst ” Gods”
and Charles Page knows that…
Isara Mo
Charles Page
Soldier I thought you and Neil.were worshipping the same God…but by your arguments it seems one of you has the correct name of his God and one is in error…
Soldier I dont want to support you but I know Muslims also have Psalms(Zabur) and Gospel(,Injil..).
Are they the same Psalms and Gospels of the Bible..?
Charles Page
Isara Mo perhaps same psalms but not the same gospel
Isara Mo
Charles Page
Neil.wont agree…to your answer.
Charles Page
no problem!!
Neil Steven Lawrence
Charles Page For 3000 years Egyptians called God by the name of: Ra. Do you think Yahweh in heaven will except that name from Egyptians when they get to heaven? Just because a people worship the God of heaven, the one true God, the God of the Bible, the God called by different names in different cultures – does not mean that he will except every name!
The origin of the name does matter.
In this case the origin of the name the Arabs chose is evil. They must and should choose a different one.
In the name of Allah 270 million people have been slaughtered by Muslims.
Varnel Watson
its the truth – what should Christians do then?
Neil Steven Lawrence
Troy Day historically Islam does not spread by conversion. It has no Holy Spirit power. It spreads by invasion and violence. Islam is the biggest killing machine in history having slaughtered more than 270 million people. https://youtu.be/t_Qpy0mXg8Y
Varnel Watson
Neil Steven Lawrence makes no sense to me if you ask
Neil Steven Lawrence
Troy Day what makes no sense to you?
Neil Steven Lawrence
Troy Day here – this may be more simple for you(though I know you have a PhD):
https://youtu.be/Kn9mAb6rYS8
Neil Steven Lawrence
Troy Day what should Christians do? How about Crusade 2.0!
Varnel Watson
Neil Steven Lawrence is islamic conversion through conquest – how is their conquest different then Christianity ? my first dissertation was on church leadership and 2nd gen migrant assimilation in a cross cultural ministry setting. American melting pot assimilation has not been there since the early 1980s (you can ask me why and who) For almost a generation we have been observing the rise of sub – cultures because assimilation does not work anymore. Not just in America – anywhere. It is an apocalyptic thing and no one can help it. Read Revelation it is all there. What we have instead of assimilation since mid 90s (around Bush, dont blame ol Bill again) is the so called gateway cities – American points of entrance that were designed strategically to respond to migration flow and demographic crises. It is all in our legal framework and civil infrastructure and it has been there for a while now. So no surprise to no one that in 2018 – a generation later – we are observing such cultural and cross cultural changes especially with the clear lacking of cultural assimilation One can disagree with my defended thesis of course. I presented it before just about the whole AG edu. board @ the Founders Inn in Regent a while back (I will have to see it to remember the year) All of them agreed and spoke in favor as far as the church is concerned. All except some aryan looking guy who was born and reared in the fields of Nebraska. He argued this was just a theory. Some 20yrs later it seems to be the predictable and predicted reality. And the church did not and is not doing nothing to change it. Perhaps it just wasnt meant to be… The world goes on
Neil Steven Lawrence
Troy Day Great observation. I hadn’t thought of it that way. This is my main objection to illegal immigration; not withstanding the fact that America is the most generous nation bringing the most immigrants every year into its borders.
I am totally against gaming the system just to get voters which has always been the behavior of the liberal establishment as Dinesh Desousa points out in his movies and books – (the big city buses helping new immigrants for votes).
If the system is flooded and people do not “become American” in their heart and mind then in less than one generation we will have voters making decisions based on Guatemalan values! (I grew up in Miami Florida which was taken over by the Cubans)
The church is the greatest bulwark in instilling values similar to the American values since our ultimate goal is to see every tribe and nation surrounding the throne of God. If the church does not do it’s job to inculcate those values into the society then the anti-Christ Kingdom will usher in much quicker.
To me it’s a values issue not a race issue. But the forces of evil including the so-called progressives purposely conflate the issue to try to force their way.
RichardAnna Boyce
new Christian churches in London are started by black immigrants. A lesson for Pentecostal USA?
Varnel Watson
how is it in AU?
RichardAnna Boyce
when i visit Aus (being a missionary in Phils) in western suburbs of Sydney, most Pentecostal churches have been started by coloured immigrants.
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce Neil Steven Lawrence ISLAM is only ONE of WORLD’S THREE APOCALYPTIC RELIGIONS The antichrist will most likely come from the area of the old Assyrian Empire and the Muslims will accept him as their Mahdi. He will be accompanied by someone claiming to be Jesus, who acts as the false prophet and denies the gospel. It appears that events will eventually turn the world against him leading to Armageddon.
A mainstream Sunni Muslim website has decreed that the Islamic messiah, called the Mahdi, will appear in 2016 and that the Muslim Jesus will return in 2022 to conquer the world for Islam
Tala’l Badr (here arises the moon) is the most significant chant in Islam. Watch Erdogan sucking in the rays of being moon-Mahdi while looking like the ancient Sultans of the Ottomans:
Iran to proclaim Bashar Assad as the 12th Inman Mahdi. (Posted 2015)
http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/worlds-three-apocalyptic-religions/
RichardAnna Boyce
are you suggesting Pentecostal coloured immigrants to Australia are worshiping anti-christ?
Varnel Watson
RichardAnna Boyce what is coloured?
RichardAnna Boyce
anyone not having a white skin.
Neil Steven Lawrence
Troy Day Good summary. I believe you are exactly right and the evidence you point to is all there. Islam is the only world religion that denies Jesus did what he did and is the son of God.
Varnel Watson
Neil Steven Lawrence Correct but I still dont see your original point as related to OP Pls explain
Louise Cummings
Troy Day
Davidking Manelli
Good topic
Louise Cummings
So sad. We really need prayer going up.
Louise Cummings
Didn’t I read where the Assembly Of God had lightened up and believing that we are little gods. And that Jesus went to hell. And burned and got saved in hell. Which is false doctrine. I understood that he was saying the the church left him , instead of him leaving the A G. I would have never believe they would believe that. He said the got it from thes woman preacher on TV. I never listen to her , very little to know what she teaches. I have forgotten what her name is. That’s the understanding I got from the article I read this morning. Or at least that’s what I thought they meant. I might have mid understood. I hope I did , because I would want the Church to believe the wrong thing. Also so many good churches closing down to put in false doctrine churches. That’s sad.
Varnel Watson
coming soon to a city near you
Davidking Manelli
Please we would invite to India ministries to Troy, for preaching, gospel work,
Davidking Manelli
It’s good news
Varnel Watson
Philip Williams Charles Page yall havent said much about this one What should be our stance toward muslim invasion of churches and communities across our land?
Neil Steven Lawrence
Islam is a “belief system” of laws. Their ultimate stated goal is world domination through the enforcement of Sharia Law. Only then “they believe” will the world be at peace. All who are in Islam are in the “House of Peace” (Dar al Salaam); all who are outside Islam are in the “House of War” (Dar al Harb). According to Islamic Doctrine they are at war with us. Good Muslims know this and practice it. False Muslims (ie. “Moderate Muslim”) don’t know it, or don’t practice it. For Islam to take over a nation they do it by laws being enacted. Once the “ball starts rolling” it’ll be hard to put the Genie (Arabic – Jinn or evil spirit) back in the bottle! They practice war by Jihad (struggle). This takes 3 forms: 1. Stealth Jihad – where they friendly to the culture they’ve invaded. 2. Defensive Jihad – where they act like victims – using the cultural norms against itself (ie. claiming “islamaphobia”) 3. Offensive Jihad – once a country is 20
Varnel Watson
Neil Steven Lawrence did you read my Mahdi comments or do I need to repost them for consideration?
Varnel Watson
Isara Mo Jim Price William DeArteaga With this new Virus it may be many Church buildings will lock up till it all passes. http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/over-6000-churches-closed-in-rwanda/
Isara Mo
Troy Day
Am not very sure what direction the virus will take but the good thing is that faith doesn’t dwell in the house built by men but in the hearts of men.
We might have ALL the church buildings open and yet have no God.
Church closures and mosque replacements in the UK and other parts of Europe is a reflection of how cold “the Christians” have become towards their God. It is also proof that the Gospel as a saving power is not touching these people’s hearts..any longer.We need a REVIVAL.
But of much worry is the kind of decisions which politicians might make in respect of freedom of worship like that of Rwanda case.
Using the office of the President to make decisions on a person’s faith is not right especially when the President is of a denomination that has the ability to build churches like palaces..Faith favoratism is unavoidable.
Yes there is murky very murky things in regarding some unscrouplous African pastors. They are everywhere. But not all of them are fake. Some are very genuine annointed men of God but their undoing is THEY ARE NOT FINANCIALLY WELL Off. and therefore cannot afford to build a “modern church” as required by govt. Closing their churches wasn’t the solution. Assisting them build a better church was.
I.know it is a Catholic policy that no one can minister to people without a qualification.
But that is their policy.
So taking that policy and employing it to Everyone using the political office isn’t justifiable..or right.
We have these qualified spiritual engineers all over the world but we see that the roads are growing worse and worse and the bridges deteriorating daily. There is so much spiritual decline in the world I today nspite of the presence of these many qualified spiritual engineers and architects which makes ME wonder of what use was the engineering degree in the first place…
We need the HOLY SPIRIT and very unfortunately He is NOT received from the four walls of the campus but from GOD Himself.
May the LORD GOD perverse His Word…..
Neil Steven Lawrence
Troy Day this threat has been on the horizon for a long time. The president Paul Kigame is trying to modernize Rwanda and does not want what we have in Kenya called “kiosk churches” and fake heretical pastors. With his insistence on upgrading the church leaders of the denominations have slept instead of anticipating this crack down which I first heard of even five years ago.
Varnel Watson
Neil Steven Lawrence BUT didnt go nowhere after all
Isara Mo
Neil Steven Lawrence
Thanks Neil but some KIOSK churches KIOSK as the are are places of really anointing.
A year ago I listened to a testimony of a certain Kenyan ex Satanist who said they wrecked and destroyed many churches but one day they went to one of these KIOSK churches to destroy it and found it sorrounded with divine fire.. The KIOSK church didn’t have even aluminium roofs but had a grass thatching.
I don’t condone fake pastors at all but respective denominational authorities have a RESPONSIBILITY towards these kind of fake pastors and prophets not the govt.
The govt has the power to indict them of any criminality committed during their conduct of “ministry” like any OTHER CITIZEN… irrespective of their collars(if they have any).
Isara Mo
Neil Steven Lawrence
Neil you know that these fake pastors and heretical preachers thtive on the IGNORANCE of the worshippers all the times(I was also an ignorant believer for many years and looking back now I blame no one but myself.. MY IGNORANCE.)
I believe educating the believers about the existence of these fake and heretical pastors would have been better than closing down their KIOSKS..
Neil I have ministered in many KIOSK CHURCHES and had seen the Holy Spirit ministering to people in an amazing way….
Don’t close the KIOSKS but refurbish them.
Neil Steven Lawrence
Isara Mo I would never say kiosk churches don’t have a purpose I have ministered in a majority of my time here in those type of churches. But I also would agree that as an organization a denomination should have a greater vision not to leave their churches in the kiosk state and their ministers uneducated. The general attitude still is that education is devilish whereas in reality lack of education and ignorance in my opinion can be used as a tool of the devil.
Varnel Watson
Nelson Banuchi Coronavirus may reveal the idiocy and shortsightedness of the Trump Administration’s underfunding of the CDC and other systems for medical response to a crisis. The White House is still in denial. But don’t worry, it’s gonna be great!!!! As David Brooks said, “Everything is post-hoc with this administration.”
Joe Absher
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Jeff Latham
That doesn’t sound quite right, 423 mosques in 1 city?
Varnel Watson
yap – city of 9 mil. ppl with 21% of England’s Muslims living there and a Muslim mayor – yap sure thing
Jeff Latham
Troy Day I stand corrected, I googled it.
Varnel Watson
Jeff Latham tell it to David Rollings who loves the lovely churches There are indeed many there
Rafy Vazquez
I’m curious if this news is true or just another divisive fake news post.
Varnel Watson
are you asking this because you have information to prove it OR is this just own suspicion that is undermining ?
Rafy Vazquez
Troy Day Actually I asked the question because like I said, I was curious. Perhaps it be good practice that before posting a question like this some research be made first.
This is what I found about this question of:
Did London Close 500 Churches and Open 423 New Mosques?
A fear-mongering article was based on misleading and cherry-picked data about the number of churches and mosques in London.
DAN EVON
PUBLISHED 8 MARCH 2018
THE ANSWER IS NO!
On 5 March 2018, conspiracy blog Your News Wire published an article warning about the alleged “Islamization” of London, claiming that the city had closed 500 churches — and opened 423 new mosques:
The Your News Wire piece was based on an April 2017 post by the Gatestone Institute, a right-wing think tank that used extremist language to describe an alleged Muslim takeover of London. (We employ the term “based” lightly here, as Your News Wire simply wrote a few of their own fear-mongering paragraphs before producing a near-verbatim copy of the Gatestone post.) In their piece, Gatestone offered shoddy research and cherry-picked data — including the claim that London is home to 423 “new” mosques and that 500 of the city’s churches have closed since 2001.
See muslumsinbritain.org.
Also snopes.com, says it’s FALSE
AJ Gambhir
I don’t think church was real there in the first place. This isnt a negative development, other religions are way more moral than lust based church
Neil Steven Lawrence
“If our leaders cannot tell the difference between white nationalism and Western civilization, then we are in big trouble.“ – Ayaan Hirsi Ali
https://youtu.be/Bx2hEc7Dlcg 40:20
Varnel Watson
coming soon to a city near you
Varnel Watson
Neil Steven Lawrence HOW can we educate American ignorism of the Muslim threat? Jeff Latham Rafy Vazquez The mosque is first and foremost a place of prayer. There are estimated to be almost 2,000 mosques and Islamic prayer rooms in the UK, serving 4.1 million Muslims, or 6.3% of the UK population. About 1500 of those Mosques were located in London as of 2016.
SOURCE Area: London – Religion (UV15)[permanent dead link] (Office for National Statistics) accessed 2 March 2019
“London Population Census 2019” London House of Commons.
“London’s Mecca rich: the rise of the Muslim multi-millionaires”.
https://www.standard.co.uk/lifestyle/london-life/londons-mecca-rich-the-rise-of-the-muslim-multi-millionaires-splashing-their-cash-8913153.html
David Rollings
Please don’t be taken in by this nonsense, it is fiction. Yes there are mosques in London but there are also many lively churches there. And there are no official sharia courts in this country. Please note I only live about an hour away from London and keep myself well informed about what is happening in my country.
Varnel Watson
SOURCE https://www.christianpost.com/news/500-uk-churches-closed-while-423-mosques-were-built-on-sad-ruins-of-english-christianity-report.html
Varnel Watson
David Rollings one of my students JUST took over the parish church of St John in one of London suburbs. The lady bishop who appointed him is an open lesbian and more. Which ones of those lovely churches you mention are doing anything to stop ISLAM ? 0 to none IMHO – And what of the following statistical facts is fiction in your opinion – please clarify
There are estimated to be almost 2,000 mosques and Islamic prayer rooms in the UK, serving 4.1 million Muslims, or 6.3% of the UK population. About 1500 of those Mosques were located in London as of 2016.
Rafy Vazquez
Troy Day Here’s something to consider.
Varnel Watson
Rafy Vazquez too blur to read Is this churches vs mosques What is the point since what Ii wrote above were simply the facts? qhat else is there to consider?
2,000 mosques and Islamic prayer rooms in the UK, serving 4.1 million Muslims, or 6.3% of the UK population BTW even David Rollings will agree that most NEW churches in the UK are started by foreign migrants #noughsaid
Rafy Vazquez
Troy Day Sorry brother I also gave you facts and sources. Can’t help you with the blurriness part. Respectfully, my curiosity has been addressed.
Varnel Watson
Rafy Vazquez this is straw man argument I stated 500 churches closed and about that many mosques started in the same period in the UK Your chart compares apples to oranges You could though show stats for churches closed in the said period if you would like to present relevant stats SOURCE https://www.christianpost.com/news/500-uk-churches-closed-while-423-mosques-were-built-on-sad-ruins-of-english-christianity-report.html
Leonard J. Ransil
OK, David, so what is your on-the-ground view of issues like assimilation or neighborhood “take-overs” or routine violence or crimes like rape etc – like my granddaughter witnessed while in Paris in 2019? And, are you a Muslim or living in a Muslim community? Just askin’.
Varnel Watson
SOURCE https://www.christianpost.com/news/500-uk-churches-closed-while-423-mosques-were-built-on-sad-ruins-of-english-christianity-report.html
David Rollings
I am an evangelical christian, we have some Islamic people living in our community
Varnel Watson
SOURCE https://www.christianpost.com/news/500-uk-churches-closed-while-423-mosques-were-built-on-sad-ruins-of-english-christianity-report.html
Varnel Watson
Isara Mo Neil Steven Lawrence the kiosks or the so called Public Prayer Stations Started as an attempt to minister BUT they hardly replace an actual church as the nice ones David Rollings referred to TRUTH BE TOLD the stats are TRUE and bad for the church Now this is How the Public Prayer Stations Started http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/how-the-public-prayer-stations-started/