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Theologically, WHO brought the turkey to Thanksgiving?
Varnel Watson
Do you know WHO? Eddie L. Hyatt Link Hudson
Link Hudson
What does this have to do with the study of God?
I have heard read they may not have had Turkey at the feast we now call Thanksgiving, and that a day of thanksgiving for the pilgrims would have been a day of fasting rather than feasting.
If we could go back in time and visit, I wonder how they would treat us. They were pretty rough on the Quakers. How would they treat Pentecostals?
Varnel Watson
oh really whole a lot – back in the day I was gonna do a sermon on the subject and come to learn A LOT about the pilgrims and the whole story A historian at the Smithsonian told me they had surf and turf instead Who was rough on the Quakers?
Varnel Watson
The Wampanoag guests brought five deer with them, so venison was on the menu. The English brought fowl, “probably migrating waterfowl like ducks and geese, which were plentiful in autumn,” says Beahrs. “Governor William Bradford does mention taking turkeys that year, but not in connection to the harvest celebration.” Since Bradford wrote of how the colonists had hunted wild turkeys during the autumn of 1621 and since turkey is a uniquely American (and scrumptious) bird, it gained traction as the Thanksgiving meal of choice for Americans after Lincoln declared Thanksgiving a national holiday in 1863.
Eddie L. Hyatt
Troy Day You are exactly right. However, I think Beahrs is over confident in his assertion that the “fowl” spoken of by Braford and an unnamed Pilgrim in “Mourt’s Relations” excludes turkey.
Varnel Watson
“fowl” was not turkey and most of our history goes on a few letters not a holistic testimony of all pilgrims which we dont have; According to what traditionally is known as “The First Thanksgiving,” the 1621 feast between the Pilgrims and the Wampanoag at Plymouth Colony contained waterfowl, venison, ham, lobster, clams, berries, fruit, pumpkin, and squash.
Most of the pilgrims were craftsmen in England. Squanto taught them how to hunt and survive. Governor William Bradford described Squanto as “a special instrument sent of God. But Squanto fell ill of Indian fever, bleeding much at the nose,-which the Indians take for a symptom of death,-and within a few days he died.
Varnel Watson
IN THE NAME OF GOD, AMEN. We, whose names are underwritten, the Loyal Subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, Defender of the Faith, &c. Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and Advancement of the Christian Faith, and the Honour of our King and Country, a Voyage to plant the first Colony in the northern Parts of Virginia; Do by these Presents, solemnly and mutually, in the Presence of God and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil Body Politick, for our better Ordering and Preservation, and Furtherance of the Ends aforesaid: And by Virtue hereof do enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal Laws, Ordinances, Acts, Constitutions, and Officers, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general Good of the Colony; unto which we promise all due Submission and Obedience. IN WITNESS whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape-Cod the eleventh of November, in the Reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, Anno Domini; 1620
Jerome Herrick Weymouth
A Messianic rabbai said that thanksgiving was founded upon the teachings based up on the feast of tabernacles and adapted by the Puritans when they came to America. If it is true then I like it cause the tradition was copied from the word of God.
Link Hudson
I have heard that the Indians had a festival where they had a feast in honor of ‘the Great Spirit’ about that time of year
Varnel Watson
and what about the turkey at that feast – any info? Jerome Herrick Weymouth I dont think they had turkeys in the tabernacle
Jerome Herrick Weymouth
Well the corrupted priesthood in the day of Christmas were full of turkeys…Now here’s one for you BP Brother Troy, how corrupt were the High Priest in Jesus time and yet none dropped dead when they went into the Most Holy place on the day of atonement.
Jim Price
Good observation !
Varnel Watson
did the corrupted priesthood in the days of Christ offer turkeys?
Jim Price
I’m told that the two subjects to avoid on Turkey day is politics and religion, which means that, I had better tie a gag around my mouth; how am I going to eat turkey?
Link Hudson
Better than eating crow.
Varnel Watson
was turkey the choice of top lead masons?
Jerome Herrick Weymouth
God accepted the offering, for those who could afford a bullock or a goat and for the poor a turtle dove, and even a grain offering.
Varnel Watson
was it a masonic sacrifice? – they turkey
Jerome Herrick Weymouth
Local 666 masonic and rapture date setters union.
Varnel Watson
6+6+6=18
1+8=9=3×3
3-3=0
Joe Absher
Thank God for a little rain in California today
Varnel Watson
makes them turkeys much moister
Joe Absher
Don’t you think thanksgiving will be a good day to preach. Gotta be some heathens somewhere? They can’t all be puritans
Varnel Watson
This is what we KNOW thus far Link Hudson
– there was no turkey – came later with the masons
– natives brought 5 dead deer
– few pilgrims shot some birds for supper
– there were plenty of meat and fruit pies
– may have been some gravy {not too sure}
– there were no stores so no black friday sales
– Englishmen eat together – both puritans and criminals
BUT there was a great celebration of FREEDOM
It was significant theologically as a first harvest feast
governor thanked GOD for the natives for teaching them how to hunt and survive the cold winter – most Englishmen who came were craftsmen or city criminals with no farm / hunt skills
None of the pilgrims had proper papers and did NOT follow the migration process. They actually fled in a caravan, storm the eastern sea border and simply entered Jan Dixon Sykes
Yes many of them were real criminals running from the law in Europe and proceeded to establish gangs that held the common wealth trade some of which illegal gun and drug related Gerardo de Dominicis
No it did not work too well for the native citizens, but somehow by the grace of GOD here we are 500 years ALL thankful for SUCH history