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By Paul Brandeis Raushenbush, Auburn Seminary
President Trump’s moral weakness became (even more) glaringly evident this week in his response to the so-called ‘Alt Right’ rally in Charlottesville featuring the Klu Klux Klan, Neo-Nazis and White Nationalists that resulted in the death of one woman named Heather Heyer and injured many others. Trump’s ‘both sides’ equivocation gave encouragement to racists groups who applauded his response, and caused deep pain in most Americans.
Yet President Trump’s failure has provoked serious responses from some unexpected quarters.
The Manufacturing Council and The Strategy Policy Forum were both seeing mass defections by CEOs seeking to distance themselves from the President before Trump decided to disband the councils instead of facing more humiliation. The President’s Committee on the Arts and the Humanities followed suit writing a harsh letter of resignation with paragraphs formatted in such a way as to spell R E S I S T.
There is, however, one advisory group that remains largely intact and resistant to any calls to moral accountability: the President’s Evangelical Advisory Board, whose members are listed below. As of the writing of this piece, only one of this board has separated himself from the hurtful and racist apologetics coming from the White House.
A. R. Bernard, who is Founder, Senior Pastor and CEO of Christian Cultural Center in Brooklyn, NY issued a statement on social media in which he cited a “deepening conflict in values between myself and the Administration.”
My statement regarding my resignation from the President’s Evangelical Advisory Board.
Aside from this one example of courage from an African American member, the Evangelical Advisory Board has been either silent or overtly supportive of the President’s response to the open displays of racism and anti-Semitism on display in Charlottesville. Indeed, Jerry Falwell Jr. took this opportunity to praise the president in a tweet for his “bold truthful stmt about #charlottesville tragedy.”
It seems incredible to those of us who dare to think that people who profess to follow a dark skinned Palestinian Jew would be hesitant to call out President Trump for his clearly disastrous and harmful rhetoric. Yet, thus far they are sticking with him.
One person who isn’t surprised is Dr. Robert Jones, CEO of the polling and research firm PRRI and whose book The End of White Christian America is crucial reading for understanding the reaction of White Evangelicals to this President. Jones told Voices:
“With regard to Trump’s evangelical advisory committee, the views he espoused this week are consistent with views he expressed in the campaign. So the evangelicals on his advisory committee knew this was the president they were agreeing to serve. And like most things in the Trump orbit, the committee is mostly setup to be a Trump fan club rather than a committee that broadly represents the major entities in the evangelical world.
Also note: Given white evangelicals’ own checkered past supporting segregation and remaining silent about white supremacy groups (something I covered in my book), there may in fact be widespread agreement with the remarks. For example, we conducted some recent analysis of perceptions of the Confederate flag, and found that 72% of white evangelicals say that they see the Confederate flag more as a symbol of southern pride than as a symbol of racism.
So, while many Americans would like for the Evangelical Advisory Board to either help Trump see the error of his ways or leave the Board, it seems unlikely that at least the white members have any inclination or willpower to do so.
As we approach the ten month mark of the 2016 election, it is worth remembering that the majority of White Christian Americans voted for Trump with more than 8 in 10 white Evangelical Protestants, and a strong majority of white Roman Catholics and Mainline Protestants.
In a letter called Dear White Christians written on the eve of the inauguration, a group of White Christians called out their fellow White Christians for voting for Donald Trump writing:
Today we see another crisis moment like the election when the very legitimacy of American Christian leaders, and especially Evangelical leaders, is in question. While America hopes that they will provide a moral compass for this out of control, immoral presidency, we fear that they will fail, and in doing so fail the very Lord and faith they profess.
Rev. Paul Brandeis Raushenbush is Senior Vice President at Auburn and Editor of Voices.
Please sign the petition asking VP Pence: Publicly Declare That White Supremacy Has No Place in the White House!
Below are the names of President Trump’s Evangelical Advisory Board
· Michele Bachman – Former Congresswoman
· A.R. Bernard – Senior Pastor and CEO, Christian Cultural Center (Resigned)
· Mark Burns – Pastor, Harvest Praise and Worship Center
· Tim Clinton – President, American Association of Christian Counselors
· Kenneth and Gloria Copeland – Founders, Kenneth Copeland Ministries
· James Dobson – Author, Psychologist, and Host, My Family Talk
· Jerry Falwell, Jr. – President, Liberty University
· Ronnie Floyd – Senior Pastor, Cross Church
· Jentezen Franklin – Senior Pastor, Free Chapel
· Jack Graham – Senior Pastor, Prestonwood Baptist Church
· Harry Jackson – Senior Pastor, Hope Christian Church
· Robert Jeffress – Senior Pastor, First Baptist Church of Dallas
· David Jeremiah – Senior Pastor, Shadow Mountain Community Church
· Richard Land – President, Southern Evangelical Seminary
· James MacDonald – Founder and Senior Pastor, Harvest Bible Chapel (Resigned before election)
· Johnnie Moore – Author, President of The KAIROS Company
· Robert Morris – Senior Pastor, Gateway Church
· Tom Mullins – Senior Pastor, Christ Fellowship
· Ralph Reed – Founder, Faith and Freedom Coalition
· James Robison – Founder, Life OUTREACH International
· Tony Suarez – Executive Vice President, National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference
Jay Strack – President, Student Leadership University
· Paula White – Senior Pastor, New Destiny Christian Center
· Tom Winters – Attorney, Winters and King, Inc.
· Sealy Yates – Attorney, Yates, and Yates
Varnel Watson
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/19/as-clock-winds-down-and-protest-flares-still-no-deal-to-avert-shutdown.html
Scotty Searan
Troy Day President called out both parties as guilty of causing riots.
I do not agree with white supremacist not do I agree with the Black Lives movement that cause troubles also.
I do not agree with what either of them believe, though I do believe that both should be given the right to speak and the opposing parties be quiet at the time and show respect for each other.
Varnel Watson
Now tell us the truth Joseph Kidwell were advisers present at that meeting after all?
Joseph Kidwell
I don’t know what meeting you are talking about, but that Evangelical Council is a joke.
Varnel Watson
The only meeting in 2018 that sparked all online discussions and open letters http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/new-2018-warnings-by-spiritual-and-denominational-leaders-on-the-pentecostal-involvement-in-donald-trumps-presidency/
Alden Lopez Salguero
Why should they???? If a light doesn’t shine under the table, rather it will Shine where there is darkness, and President Donald Trump is giving us that great opportunity.
Varnel Watson
Well, if you read the article you would see the reasons for that, but for one because they are now openly disagreeing with his policies http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/thank-you-rev-jentezen-franklin/
Alden Lopez Salguero
Is anybody sure He said those words??? I personally don’t, they were politically misused for political reasons, and if He ever said them, We are nobody to JUDGE Him, even this so-called Pastor, rather than pray for him.
Grover Katzmarek Sr
Fully agree with you
Varnel Watson
Alden Lopez Salguero It appears that your questions is off topic but still Some 50 well known Spirit filled spiritual leaders among which Joseph Kidwell have spoken openly against it The Spirit is speaking to the Church if someone has year to hear let him/her hear http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/new-2018-warnings-by-spiritual-and-denominational-leaders-on-the-pentecostal-involvement-in-donald-trumps-presidency/
Joseph Kidwell
He most certainly said those words.
Jerome Herrick Weymouth
Says who? calvinist/cessationist? mormons/ Jehovah Witnesses? dispensationalism/Millenniuals? Christianity so devided and jealous of each other that even any group of christian advisors be slandered the their opposites.
Joseph Kidwell
Two of the Republicans in the room. Furthermore, the White House was defending the “s#&/hole” remark until Trump finally denied it. However, before denying it, he had been on the phone with a number of people to see how it played with his base.
Varnel Watson
the call https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/coronavirus-trump-pastor-homophobic-ralph-drollinger-a9426801.html
Varnel Watson
and the next day reCALL https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/opinion/coronavirus-trump-evangelicals.html?fbclid=IwAR1Z53hxXxwc0ggCha5YF5rxccclizfjo1N4NLLEOWx0XBqNlagNQ4jiR9M
James P. White
If you resign from this board then you have zero chance of helping to influence the president. We need to pray for President Trump and ask God to give him wisdom.
Varnel Watson
James P. White if you stay on political boards and committees you stand every chance to loose your anointing and credibility Just remember ALL who stood with President Carter
Varnel Watson
but you get your chance to talk to GOD James P. White
James P. White
Troy Day you can’t influence someone if they won’t let you talk to them. These people have the President’s ear, I would at least try to talk to him.
Varnel Watson
James P. White about what? did you see NYT blaming evangelicals for coronavirus? Nero burning Rome
James P. White
Troy Day we need people to warn the President not to relax the standards on gathering until we know it’s safe. Look, you just want to argue. Please let this go, we can agree to disagree.
Varnel Watson
James P. White Guess you did not see the NYT article today
Jon Sellers
Troy Day Is NYT reliable???
Chris Norris
I thought this was a theology group, but there is no discussion of theology here, only finger pointing. All I see is he is wrong, he is wrong, he is wrong, and no discussion of Biblical theology.
Thangsan Hisfootstep
Yes. Agree. Further, this new is an old news dated two years ago.
Varnel Watson
Would yall pls CHECK your INFO first
The comment is about yesterdays NYT article stating evangelicals are the reason for coronavirus to exist The article addresses the involvement of the evangelical board and THEIR THEOLOGY in the late response by president Trump Pls read the article and re-edit your comments accordingly in a timely fashion
Chris Norris furthermore
THIS GROUP as stated in the INFO is about PRACTICAL APPLICATION OF PENTECOSTAL THEOLOGY IN POLITICS, ECONOMY AND SOCIAL ISSUES
Isara Mo
Evangelical Political Board.. Mmh
Pharaoh had a team of wizards siiccer
sorcerers and the Egyptian magicians around him when Moses and Aaron came up with a SNAKE(PROBLEM) they also conjured up theirs..
Is this Evangelical Board a kind if spiritual experts round the President?
Tim Anderson
This is a form of divisi
veness. Some of you are rebuking Elders and judging others you know nothing about. Be careful my Brothers.
Varnel Watson
The comment is about yesterdays NYT article stating evangelicals are the reason for coronavirus to exist The article addresses the involvement of the evangelical board and THEIR THEOLOGY in the late response by president Trump Pls read the article and re-edit your comments accordingly in a timely fashion
Tim Anderson
Troy Day will review. TY
Varnel Watson
Tim Anderson Writer Katherine Stewart’s “The Road to Coronavirus Hell Was Paved by Evangelicals” offers a blistering condemnation of the White House Coronavirus Task Force’s religious members, along with religious Republicans throughout the country.
Ms. Stewart, the author of “The Power Worshippers: Inside the Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism,” insisted that evangelical Christians working for the president are ill-equipped to deal with the contagion, which originated in Wuhan, China.
Tim Anderson
Troy, again this article does nothing but gives her opinion, not worthy of this Page imho.
Varnel Watson
Tim Anderson no offence but your last comment is like a shmuck comment What exactly are you saying with it
Tim Anderson
Troy no offense taken. I am trying to say that imho this Post promotes division in the body. The subject matter judges those Leaders who have put themselves out there to assist this Nation by giving this POTUS prayer and council. My Point: there are warnings against those who stir strife.
Varnel Watson
Tim Anderson No – not really The post calls for evangelicals to stay united and not mingle with politics Did you read the NYT article yesterday blaming the evangelical board for coronavirus in America The board is causing bad name for evangelicals with its poor decisions in the ear of POTUS
Varnel Watson
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/27/trump-christians-ripped-in-nyts-op-ed-the-road-to-/
Tim Anderson
Troy reviewed it for the 3rd time. Its a hit piece – why use it. A biased report from the WT. Cant retract my first comment.
Varnel Watson
Chris Norris pls reconsider your earlier comment after you actually read the article in question Writer Katherine Stewart’s “The Road to Coronavirus Hell Was Paved by Evangelicals” offers a blistering condemnation of the White House Coronavirus Task Force’s religious members, along with religious Republicans throughout the country.
Ms. Stewart, the author of “The Power Worshippers: Inside the Dangerous Rise of Religious Nationalism,” insisted that evangelical Christians working for the president are ill-equipped to deal with the contagion, which originated in Wuhan, China.https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/mar/27/trump-christians-ripped-in-nyts-op-ed-the-road-to-/
Chris Norris
Troy Day, you certainly have a right to post what you want, you are an administrator. I simply wish there was more discussion of actual theology. That is all my comment was meant to mean. It is your right to discuss whatever you wish.
Varnel Watson
Chris Norris yes IF you read the discussion it is connected to NAR theology and its usage by political circles From that stand point the author may have some proof
Varnel Watson
William DeArteaga Ray E Horton NYT has likely CHANGED yesterdays title to
The Religious Right’s Hostility to Science Is Crippling Our Coronavirus Response
Trump’s response to the pandemic has been haunted by the science denialism of his ultraconservative religious allies.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/27/opinion/coronavirus-trump-evangelicals.html
Jon Sellers
Troy, you clearly have an anti-Trump bias. That is ok, we are all free to hold opinions. My question is, have you examined the theological claims made in the NYT piece against what the actual advisors may hold according to other things they may have published or said?
Jon Sellers
Troy Day have you bothered to investigate the author, Katherine Stewart’s rather extensive and extreme bias against Christians?
Here are a bunch of her articles from the Guardian. She is not your friend or a friend of God.
https://www.theguardian.com/profile/katherine-stewart
Jon Sellers
The author, Katherine Stewart loves to write about these subjects.
The radical right’s coordinated and well-funded threat to public education
Fundamentalists’ new focus on children
Religious liberty
Church-state separation
Science education
LGBTQ rights
Women’s autonomy
Death With Dignity
She is a part of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State. She is an enemy of religious freedom.
We have to understand her bias in order to properly read her works.
https://www.au.org/about/people/katherine-stewart
Jon Sellers
She attacked an outreach program to teach children about God, called the Good News Club. Stewart does not believe Jesus is good news.
In 2009, a ‘Good News Club’ came to the public elementary school where Katherine Stewart sent her children. The Club, which is sponsored by the Child Evangelism Fellowship, bills itself as an after-school program of “Bible study.” But Stewart soon discovered that the Club’s real mission is to convert young children to a fundamentalist form of the Christian faith by giving them the false but unavoidable impression that their school favors their religion. As she dug deeper, Stewart realized that the Good News Club is just one part of a much larger story that should be of concern to everyone who cares about public education, our civil liberties, and the future of our country as a modern secular democracy.
Varnel Watson
Jon Sellers YES the attack is outrages and unfair but I disagree with Chris Norris Chuck Norris Tim Anderson that we should NOT discuss it
On the contrary we should talk about it and ReSPONd in due time I have already called upon Ray E Horton William DeArteaga and others This is TOO much from NYT
Jon Sellers
I don’t suscribe to the NYT because I don’t want to give them any of my money. They are nothing but a liberal, God hating, Christian bashing, anti-Trump, anti-Republican, neo-Marxist rag. The only value of being aware of what they say is to know what is being promoted by the far Left and what we are up against.
Nothing they say surprises me. Yes, it is outrageous, but they simply reflect the Progressive movement in all of its hatred of God and Christian values. They are the party of murder through abortion and endless war. They would restrict free speech in a heartbeat if they could. They would restrict religious freedom if they could. They love big government and centralized control.
I have nothing in common with them.
Chris Norris
I believe my comment was taken incorrectly, I apologize. Yes, things of a pressing matter should be discussed. We must all be sure, however, that we are on the right side of the issue. If we speak our mind from incomplete or untrue facts, those words cannot be taken back. Forgiven, yes, but not unsaid. Having said this, I believe that we should follow the Word of God at all costs and steer clear of those things that are contrary!
Varnel Watson
“The virus will not have a chance against us.” President Donald Trump, March 14, 2020,
March 27 the US leads the world with 104,177 cases, more than any nation on earth.
That’s okay, we all know he didn’t mean it.
Jon Sellers
Troy Day Your hindsight is so perfect isn’t it.
But you were not tasked with making the decisions and living with the daily 24 hour criticism whether you are right or wrong.
Ray E Horton
Jon Sellers The NYT has fallen a long way from “All the news that’s fit to print.” Back in the day they had a good reputation for forbidding any opinion to be mixed in with news stories. Sad that they didn’t maintain that but lost all their journalistic integrity to become a liberal rag.
Jon Sellers
Ray E Horton did you read my longer response to NYT below.
Ray E Horton
Jon Sellers No, I’ll have to look for it.
Jon Sellers
bottom of this thread
Varnel Watson
Chris Norris Jon Sellers YES on the program and NO on the whole outlook Shes been targeting evangelicals as part of her paid news reporter program – come on Paycheck says it ALL BUT IF you read the discussion it is connected to NAR theology and its usage by political circles and in that case stand point the author may have an argument Just last night I directed Peter Vandever that IMHO the IHOP church was used in the same agenda supporting political NAR-er and lost their credibility As slowly are doing Paula, Jentzen, etc.
Jon Sellers
I don’t think NAR is the big problem you think it is. It is a minority viewpoint and not pervasive.
Chris Norris
Are you lumping Jentzen Franklin in there? I don’t see that.
Varnel Watson
Chris Norris they are ALL in the board who flip politically Jentzen stood against the s-countries comment but then went straight to the WH with a sudden inside update BTW not sure if his theological background allows him to realize the danger of NAR Jon Sellers the 7 mountains of NAR is precisely a monetary take over of countries media, politics and economy
Jon Sellers
So Katherine Stewart, in her NYT hit piece on Trump and Christians reaches back to an 1871 sermon from Robert Lewis Dabney, in which he is asserting his view that the biblical record of creation supercedes the emerging science of geology and Darwinism. That was a protracted debate at that time with many solid theologians and pastors wrestling with the emerging conclusions and theories about the earth and of course evolution.
Are we to conclude that the thinking among Christians has not progressed or become engaged with science since then? Stewart wants to equate Dabney’s concerns with modern concerns about the very political movement of environmental radicalism. The actual science of climate change is deeply and internally conflicted. But the political agenda is all about taxing Americans and giving our money to the UN so they can push their agenda. Trump was right to pull out of Paris Accords. We can improve our carbon footprint without the UN.
And Christians today are very much engaged in wide ranging debate over geology, age of earth science, evolution, cosmology etc. Christians today love science. We love all the tech, medicine and other benefits we get from it everyday. Do we have to agree with all he metaphysical and philosophical conclusions secularist scientists hold in order to support science itself? No! Is there an atheistic, anti-Christian bias in much of science writing today? Yes!
But according to Stewart if we don’t accept the philosophical and political conclusions we are in “denial of science and critical thinking”
No, we just see clearly the difference between actual science and politics.
Then Stewart, having established her point that Christians generally are anti-science, deniers, irrational, unable to think critically, etc, next targets pastors and leaders who may be to some degree in the larger orbit of people supporting Trump. These pastors dared to take a stand of faith and valued gathering for worship over the fear of sickness. That is a controversial decision and is open to criticism from other Christians. She wants to make it a public health issue that their stand could and did contribute to Trump’s failure (in her mind) to take Coronavirus seriously. These are dangerous Christians because they are religious nationalists. This reminds me of Chris Hedges’ attacks years ago against Christians as nationalists and fascists because some dared to suggest that Christians should influence the general values of our culture. Oh my! The horrors of a culture with Christian values!!!!
D. James Kennedy was a favorite target of Hedges back then.
Not satisfied attacking Christians in general and prominent pastors she then has to attack Christian believers within the Trump administration. How dare they want to bring Christian values such as pro-life into government decisions and policy. We are SECULARISTS don’t you know. SEPARATE CHRISTIANS FROM GOVERNMENT!!!!!!!!!!!!
She wants to connect all these dots into some vast cabal of Christians who influence Trump everyday and will destroy her beloved secularist vision. Her arguments are facile and based on her generally negative characterization of Trump’s person, character and decision making.
The truth is that Trump is taking the virus seriously. He is listening to the medical and science experts. He is making good decisions to mitigate and deal with this threat. Not every hiccup along the way is Trump’s fault. When he stopped flights from China the Dems called him xenophobic and racist. Do they want to let thousands of Chinese come in now? No. Trump acted correctly in shutting down flights, closing our borders, recommending social distancing, pushed for rapid medical development of treatments and vaccines, pushed for industry to make more supplies, pushed for economic relief, etc. Now he wants to find a way to not keep the country shut down for months. That is also necessary. But the endless criticism of every word and deed from Trump no matter how correct or good it is will not cease.
We need to be praying for him every day.
Jon Sellers
Michael Brown has a good response to this nonsense.
https://stream.org/are-evangelicals-responsible-for-the-spread-of-covid-19-in-america/?fbclid=IwAR0nWeOvrmBWlDXGzd6BSltb69HlBSA8F6ooeGga8neQbFbEM056Fx6qPG0
Varnel Watson
Jon Sellers dont take me wrong I recognize your points and they are good but Brown is not a good example I’ve seen him flip just to sell a book or two Not credible in my book AND BTW when this mess first started 3/13/20 I look every where and asked everyone about Browns response and he was NO where to be found He always waits to see where the winds blows before taking a stand Now he is reactionary again the ‘The Road to Coronavirus Hell Was Paved by Evangelicals’ article Reaction-ism shows lack of preparation and deep discourse with any logical strategy How to interpret Dr. Brown’s politiCostalim? http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/how-to-interpret-dr-browns-politicostalim/
Jon Sellers
Troy Day I do find your constant dismissing of everyone related to supporting Trump as not having credibility to be a very high level of bias and even confirmation bias.
For you to say Brown is not principled and only waits to see which way the wind blows shows me you have not read his work with any degree of objectivity.
I think your constant anti-Trump bias has ruined your website.
Perhaps rename it to a Pentecostal Anti-Trump Website.
Brown correctly analyses Stewart’s horrible logic and failure of factual accuracy. Why you can’t see it is a good reason for me to forget about your posts.
Varnel Watson
Jon Sellers Brown was against Trump Get your info together Peter Vandever already told you he flipped
Jon Sellers
Troy Day Troy I find your comments very confusing. Brown was against Trump during the primaries yes as was I. But then it became clear that Trump versus Clinton the choice was very obvious in favor of Trump. So I voted for Trump. And I advocated others to do so given the choices we had. Brown did the same thing. That is not a flip, that is a facing of reality in a very rational clear minded way.
Varnel Watson
Jon Sellers I am truly sorry about that I really am BUT you got hang on the ONE Trump article from 2 yrs back trending today because of the NYT text WHILE there are at least a dozen theological ones you never saw I tagged you in them – just the ones trending today in this group WHY did you pick the TRUMP one? – it was about his board anyway not him and mainly against the NYT author who discredits evangelicals I find such approach not worth much of my time
Peter Vandever
Troy Day Dr Brown endorsed Ted Cruz.
Peter Vandever
https://youtu.be/kjixCKyXoUI
Varnel Watson
Peter Vandever yeah I forgot about that but so did IHOP I dont think was NAR’s first choice but Wagner enforced him too
Rochelle Anne Stinson
Clint Stinson
Rochelle Anne Stinson
Clinton Stinson
Varnel Watson
oh dear the article reads just fine Sandra Hines
Tim Anderson
Not sure if this response by Tony Perkins was Posted here.
https://video.foxnews.com/v/6145373510001#sp=show-clips
Varnel Watson
naaah Tim Anderson they arent resigning any time soon
Leonard Ransil
Jon Sellers
I liked your article (3 28) above and especially this quote:
Stewart wants to equate Dabney’s concerns with modern concerns about the very political movement of environmental radicalism. The actual science of climate change is deeply and internally conflicted. But the political agenda is all about taxing Americans and giving our money to the UN so they can push their agenda. Trump was right to pull out of Paris Accords. We can improve our carbon footprint without the UN.
And Christians today are very much engaged in wide ranging debate over geology, age of earth science, evolution, cosmology etc. Christians today love science. We love all the tech, medicine and other benefits we get from it everyday. Do we have to agree with all he metaphysical and philosophical conclusions secularist scientists hold in order to support science itself? No! Is there an atheistic, anti-Christian bias in much of science writing today? Yes!
But according to Stewart if we don’t accept the philosophical and political conclusions we are in “denial of science and critical thinking”
No, we just see clearly the difference between actual science and politics.
If you have a blog site etc, let me know!
Varnel Watson
Hill comment on national leaders making disparagingly crude, demeaning and vulgar comments has been removed http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/new-2018-warnings-by-spiritual-and-denominational-leaders-on-the-pentecostal-involvement-in-donald-trumps-presidency/
John Moses
Troy Day is this group Liberal?
Varnel Watson
they JUST will NOT do it Peter Vandever Daniel J Hesse more and more are falling for this trap nowadays
Daniel J Hesse
Troy Day Lord help us all.
Aaron Oviatt
Stop. Pray for him.
Aaron Oviatt
I’m guessing killary would be better? Biden? You people make me sick.
Varnel Watson
this is about the spiritual board – pls do not delude the topic with some liberal alternatives Thank you
Aaron Oviatt
There’s nothing spiritual about it although that’s what you’re trying to make it.
Aaron Oviatt
Troy Day to make the assumption he’s racist is ridiculous.
Varnel Watson
Aaron Oviatt You are correct that there is nothing spiritual in that spiritual board ! WHO made assumption about racist what? – frankly what are you talking about and why are you trolling this post?
John Moses
Is this group Liberal?
Varnel Watson
NO – are you liberal?
John Moses
Troy Day definitely not. It just sounded like it from your post. I just needed to make sure
Varnel Watson
John Moses well I forgot the source of the article BUT its calling them right Do you believe church and govt should be ONE?
John Moses
Troy Day I don’t believe they should, no
Tim Anderson
Joseph was appointed to a high position in Pharoah’s Govt. Daniel held a high position in the Babylon Govt. Think about that.
Varnel Watson
but in what capacity?
Joseph was called upon only when the ppl were hungry and Pharaoh was afraid to be left with no slaves
Daniel was called along with the band of witchcrafters
Tim Anderson
Troy Day my point was they both served a pagan king.
Varnel Watson
Tim Anderson so now Trump is pagan – is that it?
Tim Anderson
Troy Day according to some. I just know that he is appointing Judges that are against the unborn being slaughtered – beats the other side imho.
Varnel Watson
Tim Anderson well that was part of his deal with GOP but he also agreed to overturn gay marriage and here we are BTW Aaron Oviatt believes him to be the greatest Guess 1200 bucks would do that to some
Tim Anderson
Troy Day who would you prefer (someone on the ballot) to Lead our nation? These Posts are really distractions [endless controversies] that only kindle firestorms. As Administrator- you have a heavy burden to keep us off the rabbit trails, truly I thank you for what you do.
Proverbs 26:21 KJV — As coals are to burning coals, and wood to fire; so is a contentious man to kindle strife.
Aaron Oviatt
Troy Day haha. So I was right your a liberal/socialist. BTW. Might know your facts first. I’ve not received a dime thank you.
Varnel Watson
Aaron Oviatt Can you proof your spelling pls It’s hard to make sense of your writting As I have stated many times I am registered Reagan GOPv voter and have been since before you were born as it seems Do you have a problem with that? I have problems with Republicans traded Reagan for Trump though I voted likewise Nelson Banuchi knows well BTW Aaron why do you attack the person and not the issue at hand We are talking about the new additions to the said above advisory board – can you distinct between these 2 pls?
Varnel Watson
whats your take on this mess Robert Cox
Robert Cox
Troy Day
You don’t want to know. I think it’s a shame that supposed ministers of the gospel endorse and promote this foul mouthed, lying, slandering president. Is he a better president for America than Hillary? My dog would be better than Hillary. But to prop him up as some kind of model and crusader of Christianity is simply demonic. It’s anti christ. And those “pastors” like Paula White and Robert Jeffries will pay a price for their allegiance to this president rather than to God.
I do pray for him and I hope he and his family of reprobates get saved before Jesus comes to set up a perfect government.
How’s that? ?
Varnel Watson
Robert Cox oh I do TRY ME 🙂
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Presidential debate
Five Republicans have qualified for the third 2024 presidential debate set for Wednesday in Miami. They are former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy and South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott. Missing from the debate stage will be North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum and former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, who both failed to meet the criteria. Former Vice President Mike Pence, who qualified for the first two debates, dropped out of the Republican primary last month. Donald Trump, the front-runner, is skipping the debate as he did the two previous ones. He is slated to host a rally in South Florida as counterprogramming instead. https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/07/us/5-things-to-know-for-nov-7-trump-trial-israel-presidential-debate-actors-strike-ukraine/index.html
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Terry Wiles Trump Leads in 5 Critical States as Voters Blast Biden https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2023-11-02/trump-condemns-efforts-to-remove-him-from-the-ballot-under-insurrection-clause