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Is speaking in tongues the evidence of the Baptism of Holy Spirit?
Louise Cummings
I believe it is. Because every place you read in the Bible where they received the Holy Ghost except two places that I find. All but those two places says They Spoke With Tongues When they were Filled with the Holy Spirit. So I believe that is the initial evidence.
Billy Monroe Poff
What are the two places you refer to?
Ray E Horton
I believe it is an evidence, but, if it doesn’t come initially, should at least later. Actually, I prophesied before I spoke in tongues.
Grover Katzmarek Sr
With this conclusion then all Christian before Azuza St didn’t posses. Yet scripture says without the spirit of God we aren’t His. That’s why I believe in Pentecostal Regeneration
Ray E Horton
No, we receive the Holy Spirit to dwell within us at the new birth, then the Holy Spirit comes upon us for power when we are Baptised in the Holy Spirit.
ofosu MANU Isaac
It is never the evidence. Someone should prove to me where and when Jesus spoke in tongues. Is He not the giver of the spirit?
Michelle
Yes, It is the only evidence! Jesus doesnt need to speak in tongues because he is the Holy Spirit and the giver of his spirit.
Kyle Wick
Speaking in tongues is evidence of the baptism of the Holy Spirit, every time someone was filled with the Spirit in the book of acts they spoke with other tongues.
Tim Cushen
The initial evidence of the baptism of the Holy Ghost is speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives utterance.
Joshua Wheeler
It can be. We must be so careful that we do not reduce the Baptism in the Holy Spirit down to tongues. It can be and at times in scripture it was. But if tongues is our standard and aim then I think we’ve misunderstood the Baptism in the Spirit.
William DeArteaga
One of the indicators
Joshua A. Humphries
Yeah, if it’s seen as the only indicator, it’s prime ground to be a false indicator due to people’s emotional needs. People who already show signs of it may fake it because they feel incomplete. I’ve seen it in plenty of churches.
Varnel Watson
My Bible says it’s initial evidence and it’s mandatory as a spiritual proof one has the baptism. The Pope may disagree with me
Jared Cheshire
Well, the pope is a pagan, so there’s that. Lol
Varnel Watson
Some Pope spake in tongues (KJV)
Jared Cheshire
I waw referring to the current one.
Varnel Watson
He’s as kingdom-now social gospel as it gets
Louise Cummings
I will have to look them up. Isn’t think what it was referring to right now.
Jared Cheshire
Acts 10 has the answer.
Ray E Horton
After Peter preached to Cornelius’ household: “While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all those who heard the word. All the believers of the circumcision who had come with Peter were astonished, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. For they heard them speaking in other tongues and magnifying God” (Acts 10:44-46). This to me shows that the gift of tongues comes with the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, yet, I don’t see it as proof that tongues IS the initial evidence, but rather, AN initial evidence.
Faith says when we pray for Holy Spirit Baptism, we receive. It happens when we pray. I do think it is the usual initial evidence, but I remember receiving prophecy first, and I have occasionally experienced people I prayed with for the Baptism receiving tongues, later, sometimes when they were home alone with the Lord.
Jared Cheshire
What other evidences do you see? I agree that tounges is not the only evidence, although I do see it from the scriptures and from experience to be the first one we see.
Ray E Horton
We’ll,in my case, it was prophecy. Scripturally, look at 1 Cor. 14:1 on that. I also experienced a whole new amazing love for people. I was also instantly and permanently delivered of a three-pack-day smoking habit that I wasn’t even trying to get rid of. I believe that since I didn’t speak in tongues at first,. God wanted to get it through my thick head that something really did happen when I prayed. I first spoke in tongues with a fluent prayer language several weeks later during a Life in the Spirit seminar. I do agree, however, that tongues usually comes first.
Louise Cummings
All the gifts of the Spirit that the Bible speaks of is of the Holy Spirit. Most are named in Corinthians. I think First Corinthians.
Jared Cheshire
I think one of the most notable sign is love. After someone recieves the Holy Ghost, they love everyone. We can maintain that love for each other by frequenly renewing ourselves in the Spirit
Ray E Horton
Yes brother Jared.
Louise Cummings
When you have received. Love just comes with it. Love is of God. Well the Bible said God is Love. Thank
Varnel Watson
Ray Interesting sequence What denomination are you?
Ray E Horton
Was saved and Spirit-filled as a Catholic during the Charismatic Renewal in 1973. Stayed Catholic for seven years until I decide I was being hypocritical staying in a church that taught much that I no longer believed. Not into all the ritual, but free expression of love for the Lord and heart-felt worship, where the gifts are free to operate. Tried several Assemblies churches, but didn’t find a lot of life there. Finally settled for the past 25 years in a mature Word of Faith-related church (I say mature, because some are not). There I find a strong family orientation, excellent preaching and appreciation of the Word, and Spirit-filled praise and worship, all in one place.
Varnel Watson
That explains why you dont believe in initial evidence
Ray E Horton
Maybe, but the reason I don’t legalistically cling to tongues as “the” initial evidence is that it is not clear in the Bible that it is “the” rather than “an” initial evidence, as well as from experience.
Varnel Watson
There is no legalism in tongues brother 🙂 They cannot exist together. Legalism is exactly the opposite of tongues
Varnel Watson
Sure thing. The ONLY evidence Brody Pope
Randal W Deese
Speaking in tongues is the only consistent initial evidence of receiving the Gift of the Holy Spirit. In some cases, prophecy may also be included (Acts 19:6).
William DeArteaga
Yes, but not the only one.
Varnel Watson
YES Lord – let it rain again
Varnel Watson
Speaking in other tongues is the initial mandatory evidence of the Baptism in the Holy Ghost.
Jeff Latham
Everyone that is Baptized in the Holy Ghost will speak in tongues, but not everyone who speaks in tongues is Baptized in the Holy Ghost!
Nora Neel-Toney
Yes. It is the initial evidence
Tim Dalton
I believe people, like the RCC needing statues, beads etc. to know Christ without the Spiritual Union, need tangible evidence to show they have it. Nowhere does the bible say it is the only evidence. It is tradition. Only on three occasions were tongues mentioned as initial evidence Acts 2:4, 10:44-46, and 19:6.
I do believe in speaking as the spirit gives utterance. It is interesting that few mention this as the evidence although Jesus did. It is the only mentioning of evidence constantly occurring as there are scriptures in Acts where people were empowered but didn’t speak in tongues.
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” Acts 1:8
He mentioned receiving power, how we would receive it (HS coming upon) and then He said the big connection word and. And what would we do? He didn’t give the modern teaching of speaking in tongues, but said “you will be my witnesses”.
I am sure that isn’t taught as few practice that while many do practice tongues. It is hard to prove if the speaking is the legitimate gift of tongues. It is not hard to see christians going out and witnessing to others. Well it is rare to see that.
After they prayed, the place where they were meeting was shaken. And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and spoke the word of God boldly. (Acts 4:31).
Sadly we see so few speak at all besides tongues in the safety of the sanctuary.
Bishop Bernie L Wade
So, what did Simon Magnus what to buy? And why did Apostle Peter curse him for it?
Tim Dalton
He wanted to buy laying on of hands for those to receive the HS.
Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.” Acts 8
Peter cursed him because “”Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.” Acts 8
The attempt to extrapolate anything other then what the scriptures plainly describe is conjecture based on man made/centered tradition and not backed by scripture. That is how error comes into the church.
Felicia Clayborne
Yes
Steve Losee
It was once, in Acs 11. “The Jews require a sign” (1 Cor. 1:22). Since then the REAL “evidence” is a burden for souls and an effective witness for Jesus Christ. (Acts1:8). Tongues never ceased, but they were never mandated either.
Tim Dalton
what was once in acts 11? I am lost at what you are trying to get at.
Steve Losee
That’s what Peter meant by “just as (He) came upon us…”. After that, we find the Ephesians doing it, but it doesn’t say that it was any kind of “sign”. Besides, exactly who needs this “evidence”? I speak & pray in tongues myself, so please don’t treat me like a cessationist. In my years of ministry, I’ve found more frauds who spoke in tongues than who didn’t. So I have to wonder: what and who is this “evidence” for?
Tim Dalton
Steve Losee – Acts 11 doesn’t stipulate the type of sign and just exactly how it fell. The initial evidence of tongues is based on tradition and very shoddy exegesis. They wanted something they could see. Like you can see faith. Wait you can only see the results. I wonder if the evidence is often for someone to believe that they have it. I must have it as I spoke in tongues. Not much faith there. At other times, it is something to brag about in the spiritual locker room. I don’t believe that you are a cessationist, but you are beyond letting tradition influence your theology. Once again
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 Thess 5:21.
Rico Hero
Yes. While driving and praising God, a sound like a rushing wind came within the body and speaking in another language was the result. But Mr. MacArthur does not believe this to be from God https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GVSLc0cqlZM
Tim Dalton
so
Rico Hero
Tim Dalton so is he right
Tim Dalton
Rico Hero – please prove your statement and use your knowledge of the bible and bot the parroting of some preacher. God gave you a mind too.
Rico Hero
Tim Dalton You either believe its from God or you dont.
Tim Dalton
Rico Hero don’t much use of scripture. You prove it by the word of God according to scripture and then keep what is true. Rico you need to study the bible on your own. 21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 1 Thess. 5:21
Rico Hero
Tim Dalton good advice
Varnel Watson
#mandatory Acs 11 is irrelevant here Steve Losee
Steve Losee
I disagree. 🙂
Varnel Watson
does Acts 11 talk about any HSB or speaking in tongues?
Ray E Horton
Speaking is tongues is AN evidence of the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, the most common but not the only one. I know this from experience in my life and others. When I was Baptized in the Holy Spirit back in 1973, I had never heard of tongues and had no teaching on it. I know I received the Baptism – “Ask and you shall receive,” and I had the evidence at first of an overwhelming love for people and an instant, miraculous and unexpected deliverance from smoking. I actually received prophesy before tongues,which came two weeks later with a fluent prayer language.
Paul L. King
The evidence of the baptism in the Spirit is power(Acts 1:8). That power can be manifested in 3 ways: 1) power to speak a witness (with boldness, anointing, wisdom, effectiveness); 2) power to live a witness (holy living, transformation, victory); 3) power to demonstrate a witness supernaturally (tongues and other spiritual gifts).
Ray E Horton
Excellent!
Tim Dalton
Paul, I mentioned earlier that it was power, but by you speculating on what that power is, you are limiting that power. I agree that while we can find those 3 in the scriptures, they are not defined in Acts 1:8. I see too many reading into (eisegesis) the scriptures to make teachings. That is why I only really like expository sermons/teachings based on exegesis and not adding our thoughts.
We can say these are some results (give the scriptures) but something as wonderful as the HS power, I would be cautious about defining it by our finite minds. We do know we will receive power and will be His witnesses. That is what the text says.
We see that they went to verbal testimony (Peter’s speech) and souls were won. Since they preached to strangers, they would not have had a chance for a live it testimony. That is a long range evidence, but I would hesitate saying it was the initial. I would say you are absolutely correct in the Spirit for Godly living.
I hope I came off as a loving brother as net conversations can sometimes be misleading. We are giving thoughts and not didactic imperatives. I will be absolute when saying we must remain true to the text then we can sermonize. God bless
Varnel Watson
Paul L. King I submit that the proper interpretation of ACTS 1-2 gives us tongues before power.
Though the power is present in the upper room through the mighty rushing wind it is only AFTER when the disciples receive the Holy Spirit AND speak in tongues that they can operate under the sign of power not prior to their receiving the Holy Spirit AND speak in tongues
Hence IMO the proper interpretation is tongues before power Harvey Cox also lists primal tongues before signs and wonders in his Fire from Heaven exposition
Tim Dalton
Troy Day where are tongues mentioned in acts 1. The baptism on Pentecost happened after Acts 1:8. Once again, we must be true to the text and not have our tradition dress the proper exegesis. The original question was ” Troy Day shared a link.
Is speaking in tongues the evidence of the Baptism of Holy Spirit?”
I say it is one of the evidences and one the believers got on Pentecost. The problem is that to stay with our traditions we never mention Acts 4:31
And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.
That can’t be glossed over in an attempt to substantiate 120 years of teaching. Inference based on traditional interpretations is not acceptable hermeneutics. It has traditionally passed down as proper pulpiteering it seems. We must be true to the text if we want to get the proper meaning . I don’t see “experience of the word” as I have heard some say as legitimate bible exegesis. We must let scripture dictate our traditions/beliefs and not our traditions/beliefs dictate themselves.
and how from childhood you have been acquainted with the sacred writings, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. 2 Tim 3:15
2 Tm. 215 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
I believe if we had scriptural (not experience/tradition) confirmation, people would have stated it a long time ago and there would be no speculations. We must see what the Lord said in Mark 7 and learn from it.
Paul L. King
Tim Dalton, my statement was actually just a brief one-sentence summary of an entire expository message I give from the book of Acts showing the outworking of that power of the Holy Spirit throughout the book of Acts, just as Acts 1:8 itself is a summary of the historical and geographical spread of the gospel throughout Acts. That would be much too lengthy to reproduce here, but you made a start of it. I cut my teeth on the expository preaching of Martyn Lloyd-Jones and G. Campbell Morgan and I am devoted to expository preaching. I am surprised at being accused of committing eisgesis when I teach hermeneutics and drill into my students the importance of not committing eisgesis. Only once before have I been accused of eisgesis, and that was by a cessationist.
Tim Dalton
Paul L. King happy for your explanation.
Tim Dalton
I really liked Haddon Robinson. R. Kent Hughes and although I disagree with him in many areas, John MacArthur does good. It is hard to find this preaching in so-called “Pentecostal Preaching”. I have spent time in the Calvary Chapels before Chuck Smith died.
Paul L. King
Troy Day I don’t see how you can divorce tongues from power. One cannot truly speak in genuine tongues from the Holy Spirit without the power of the Holy Spirit. Tongues is a manifestation of power, not vice versa. You have the cart before the horse. Power is multitudinous, inclusive of tongues, but so much more than tongues. Jesus did not say, Wait in Jerusalem until you are endued with tongues,” but rather power (Luke 24:49). He did not say, “When the Holy Spirit comes upon you, you shall receive tongues,” but rather power (Acts 1:8) He did not say that tongues was the promise of the Father, but rather the power of the Holy Spirit was the promise of the Father (Luke 24:49; Acts 1:4-5). He did not say, “Out of your innermost being shall flow rivers of tongues,” but rather rivers of living water, which was the Holy Spirit Himself, (John 7:37-39), tongues just being one of the rivers that flow. In all of Jesus’ talk about the Holy Spirit in these passages, He does not mention tongues. I am all for tongues. I have prayed in tongues for 48 years, but I did not speak in tongues until 10 months after I was baptized in the Spirit. But I had power–power to speak a witness like I never had before, power to speak that brought teens to salvation, so much so that Young Life asked me to join their staff. I had power to receive words of knowledge and prophecy before I ever spoke in tongues.
Tim Dalton
Paul L. King If you would look at my earlier posts, you will see I always mentioned power as what is received. I divorced the “live it witness” on the day of pentecost because they were speaking to strangers and didn’t have time to develop a relationship thus signs & wonders. I do see that tongues were an evidence on the Day of Pentecost. I agree with an earlier poster that why does it matter now. Some like the RCC, need a tangible thing to hold on to instead of faith. I see the true evidence, as you pointed out from the fruit of receiving the power in most instances since Pentecost day. As a side note, I was able to hear David Wilkerson’s sermon on Pentecost day at SMU in the early 80s. While not exactly expository, he did make you think. He called it “Christless Pentecost”.
Paul L. King
Tim Dalton I like Haddon Robinson too and have used his book on Biblical Preaching. I had opportunity to meet him in person when he was head of Denver Seminary. His library was filled with stacks of shelves of books–probably 20,000 or more (I remind my wife of this when she complains of my 4000+ books).
Paul L. King
Tim Dalton Living the witness was definitely and clearly a part of the day of Pentecost, not adding to the text at all. The transformation in Peter’s character from one who denied Christ to boldly preaching on the day of Pentecost is a holy character change. And the days following Pentecost showed holy selfless character in sharing their possessions with others. Pentecost was not just a power experience but being filled with and empowered with holy, Christ-like living.
Tim Dalton
Paul L. King yes but those he preached to on Pentecost were unaware of his denial except for a few. I see that as the fulfillment of acts 4:31 And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together; and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness. — That surely was an initial evidence. Building a lifestyle witness takes time. Peter didn’t have the time to build up that relationship. I realize they were communing etc. together after the Day of Pentecost, but I was talking about the sermon on Pentecost. My former vocation has taught me to be precise and to stick to the facts regarding the specific incident. That is also good exegesis.
Why do you think that few speak with such boldness today ? I know the Spirit and the gospel has not changed.
Tim Dalton
sorry I forgot to add 1 Peter 4:14 so I corrected my rapidity.
Varnel Watson
Dr. Paul L. King This is a very good observation I dont separate them They come together – just tongues comes first with the Baptism and Jesus said after you receive the HS you shall receive power – I’d say the baptism is just one time but power we get all the time
Tim Dalton
Troy Day but the bible doesn’t say it was everytime. That is tradition. Same as the “live it witness” on the day of Pentecost. That is not in the text. We can’t read into the scriptures like that. It is called Eisegesis regardless of degrees or occupation. A fallacy is appealing to what you think is a higher authority (a job, a degree etc.) to try to prove what the bible doesn’t say in the specific passage. This is how error comes into the church. Stick to the passage and not make assumptions according to our beliefs is great exegesis.
Varnel Watson
it does say that when they prayed again and again the place shook of power – does it not? and locked doors opened and dead ppl came back to life – power power power in the Blood
Tim Dalton
Troy Day you are changing the subject. We were talking about tongues. In earlier posts you said tongues and I said power. Now you are changing the subject. Stick to the subject.
Tim Dalton
acts 9 “Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus who appeared to you on the road by which you came has sent me so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 And immediately something like scales fell from his eyes, and he regained his sight. Then he rose and was baptized; 19 and taking food, he was strengthened. – there is no tongues there in this specific passage. Paul said he spoke but never said it was the initial evidence.
Ray E Horton
I’d call tongues the “usual” initial evidence, but not the only. The Lord gave me prophesy right after I was Baptized in the Holy Spirit, before I was open to tongues, which came several weeks later.
Daniel J Hesse
What about a new creature?
Varnel Watson
What about it? Daniel J Hesse Speaking in tongues is THE initial evidence. Power and the rest come only AFTER the believer is infilled with the Spirit and speaks in tongues as in Acts 2
Acts 1:8 plainly says WITH power AFTER you receive the Holy Ghost NOT before that
Tim Dalton
Speaking in tongues is after the baptism as well.
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.
1. filled 2. spoke with other tongues. Be true to the text.
The Lord told us to go to all the world. Many have just been with like minded people who have been taught the same traditions. When you speak to others such as apologists, biblicists, non-believers etc. they desire facts and true exegesis.
Many have spent years in study and are not like many who are far from Bereans.
Acts 17:11 Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.
Many do not follow the life of Paul as they should ( Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. 1 Cor. 11:1).
Paul said I have become all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. 23 Now this I do for the gospel’s sake, that I may be partaker of it with you. 1 Cor. 9 :22-23.
Notice the object was to win the lost and not to hand down traditions or speculate in forums. It is for the Gospels sake and not to show that our traditional beliefs is truth. Priorities.
Varnel Watson
Actually in the GREEK these are paralleled events occurring simultaneously all together as a package in ONE single clause – not separately one after the other – hence the words AND and AS forming the clause
Acts 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost AND began to speak with other tongues AS the Spirit gave them utterance
meaning to be understood that
AS the Spirit was filling them He was ALSO giving them the utterance to speak which made them speak at the same time of the infilling and the giving of utterance
Pls note it does not say as they RECEIVED the utterance – meaning their role was none; it was ALL done by the Spirit in one single act
MEANING The Spirit was speaking through them NOT they spake AFTER the Spirit gave them utterance
!!! VERY IMPORTANT !!!!
Tim Dalton
Troy Day good point
Isara Mo
Yes
Steve Celich
Could be
Daniel J Hesse
At this stage and season of life, I believe we all are looking for more eternal and everlasting evidence in contrast to initial evidence. Do all speak with tongues? Can all speak with tongues?
Varnel Watson
Paul never said should ALL speak in tongues because the answer is YES all should speak in tongues Link including
Link Hudson
“Not all speak with tongues, do they? Not all interpret, do they?”
Ray E Horton
Link Hudson From my perspective, you are confusing one’s tongues prayer language, which is the typical initial evidence and available to all, with the gift of a message in tongues to a congregation, which requires interpretation, gifts which not all have. We see a clear distinction in 1 Cor 14, where Paul talks about the “gift” with interpretation, but also praying and singing in tongues, which is our prayer language.
Link Hudson
Ray E Horton What I see in the terminology used in scripture, especially I Corinthians, ‘speaking in tongues’ is called ‘speaking in tongues’ whether it’s used for prayer or something else. The tongues spoken in church are the same thing in I Corinthians 14 as a ‘prayer language’ except they aren’t interpreted. Look at verse 28, for example, or verses 4 and 5 for examples.
The verses we can get the idea of tongues being used as a language for prayer treat it as the same sort of thing that is interpreted in church. The idea of Paul speaking only of tongues for the assembly there in chapter 12 where he asks if all speaks with tongues isn’t an idea we can derive from the text of scripture.
Ray E Horton
Oh, I agree it’s the same tongues, but there is this distinction within it. Yes, it might very well be simply that if the tongues we use in our prayer language are shared as a message, they need to be interpreted, otherwise not, as you point out.
Link Hudson
Ray E Horton Since Paul calls them both speaking in tongues, what is the basis for saying ‘do all speak with tongues?’ only refers to the tongues we want it refer to?
Ray E Horton
Link Hudson I’m quite sure that would be referring to the speaking in tongues in the church as a message, not when used as a prayer language, which all have available. In my experience, I have never prayed for a person for the Baptism in the Holy Spirit (and there have been many) who didn’t receive tongues, sometimes immediately, sometimes later.
Link Hudson
Ray E Horton Well, that’s great. What is your ‘method’? Do you just pray, or do you do stuff to try to get them to make some noise?
I’ve seen and read of things like someone moving someone else’s jaw with their hand, getting them to say ‘glory glory’ really fast, and telling them to blank their mind and say whatever ‘bubbles up out of your spirit’ while other people speak in tongues around them? Then I’ve seen others just pray and lay hands.
I’ve known people who did not speak in tongues. One man interprets tongues but never spoke in tongues himself. There are some people used in healing who do not speak in tongues, too.
Whether it’s for prayer or for the congregation, Paul calls it all speaking in tongues.
Ray E Horton
I think it’s really a matter of expectation, faith inspired by a little bit of teaching from the Word first. I don’t believe we should manipulate the process, but I do point out that one needs to open their mouth and speak forth since “they” spoke as the Spirit gave the utterance (Acts 2:4).
Daniel J Hesse
Remember Paul informed the Corinthians that he spoke in tongues more than they. This was a spiritual bunch. To others he admonished them to speak to themselves..and build themselves up…
Link Hudson
Btw, I speak in tongues, but not everyone does.
Mugisha John Paul
I have never spoken in tongues even I wonder when I hear people speaking on tongues. what must one do to speak in tongues?
Ray E Horton
Find someone you know who speaks in tongues and can explain it to you to build your faith for it, and pray with you. It goes along with the Baptism in the Holy Spirit, so that is what to pray for if you haven’t already. Remember in Acts 2:4 that “they were ALL filled with the Holy Spirit, not just some.
Mugisha John Paul
Thank you so much Ray but I rarely see one who speaks in tongues. I ask you to guide me
Ray E Horton
I would be easier if I were there with you to lay hands and pray with you. Assuming you are Born Again, first, you need to believe that Jesus will only give you something good. “What man is there among you who, if his son asks for bread, will give him a stone?” (Matt. 7:9). So, simply pray and ask the Lord to Baptize you in the Holy Spirit, and He will. Believe you receive. Then expect other tongues to come. God doesn’t make you do it. It is you speaking. As it says in Acts 2:4, they spoke – it was them – as the Spirit gave the utterance. The words that flow out are from the Spirit. Prime the pump by starting to speak whatever comes to find not in a language you know, ( it may sound foolish, but go ahead), and it will flow into supernatural tongues, your heavenly language. It is a wonderful to have, a refreshing and a doorway into other things of God.
Mugisha John Paul
wow! Can I be your friend.
Mugisha John Paul
Just a request?
Ray E Horton
Mugisha John Paul Of course! Just send a friend request. I post a lot of encouragement as the Lord gives it to me. I don’t use Messenger/Chat. Too many FB friends for that.
Mugisha John Paul
I have already sent it
Mugisha John Paul
Thank you so much dear.I hope to learn a lot from you brother
Ray E Horton
Mugisha John Paul We can all learn from one another. That is what the Body of Christ is all about.
Mugisha John Paul
Amen and Amen
Daniel J Hesse
Just ask….
Varnel Watson
you are so hip 🙂
Isara Mo
Mugisha John Paul
Desire …is power.
Desire the gift
Daniel J Hesse
Isara Mo focus on the Giver.
Isara Mo
Daniel J Hesse That is what I meant..exactly.
The giver gives as He deems, as He determines but He doesn’t give just because Daniel prayed for me
Daniel J Hesse
Isara Mo he lives to give! He is a person. Every good and perfect gift comes down from him alone….
Isara Mo
Daniel J Hesse If that is the case why then are there so many believers who don’t speak in tongues and I know many who had asked but not received…
Daniel J Hesse
Isara Mo when you find the answer, there are many of us here who will want to hear it.
Isara Mo
Daniel J Hesse 1Cor 12 says this in regard to gifts…..” He distributes to each as He determines….”
We do our part.We desire, we ask, we pray(is there a difference between asking and praying) but at the end of tje day the GIVER determines….
In Acts 2 they were just in place and although we don’t see the believers asking yet they all were filled with the spirit and began to speak in a new tongue..
Jesus had told them.earlier ” tarry in Jerusalem until you receive the GIFT…”
They did as directed…obediently tarried…and as He determined at His discretion, He gave the gift.
Daniel J Hesse
Isara Mo I wonder if our emphasis ought be on person and relationship. Not the practice or use if the gift?
Isara Mo
Isara Mo I read about Smith Wigglesworth as well as John G Lake stories on the subject and it seems they really put an effort to get it..tongues, even though at the time Smith had the gift of healing…
But others get it easily as we see when the apostles visited the disciples who had a baptism of water but never heard or received the Holy Spirit..
When the apostle laid hands on them….the impartation worked.
Daniel J Hesse
Isara Mo like everything it is an exercise of our measure of faith. Utilizing the grace we have already received. I am not a cessationist. Also, how receptive is the soil of the heart to the seed of faith…
Isara Mo
Daniel J Hesse Thanks for the chip.in..faith.
Faith has a greater play in this …and make the heart receptive
Varnel Watson
YES Ray E Horton
Steve Losee
who needs the evidence?
Varnel Watson
the believer the church the BIBLE
Bill Stockham
“Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is not for unbelievers but for believers.” (1 Corinthians 14:22)
Steve Losee
Who told you “sign” and “evidence” were synonyms?
Steve Losee
Troy Day why do those 3 require evidence?
Varnel Watson
you can ask them each yourself someday
Isara Mo
Steve Losee The believer needs evidence.
If Jesus said signs shall follow believers .. and there are no signs then Jesus lied (which is impossible) or the believers lie(which is possible).
A woman cannot claim to be pregnant for seven months and yet see no sign of pregnancy…She would be lying…
Varnel Watson
bottom line => YES it is
Steve Losee
Thee is NO Scripture that comes right out & says that, so while there’s freedom to believe it, there’s NO reason to insist upon it.
Varnel Watson
Thee is NO Scripture that comes right out and says what exactly ?
Louise Cummings
I know people say it isn’t. But every time they received the Holy Ghost. They always, spoke in tongues. I haven’t read it. Buy I hear there are two places they didn’t say that. I know when Peter referred to when he went to Cornelius house. He referred to them as Having the Holy Ghost because they had heard them speak in Tongues, as well as we. And can any man forbids water that they could be Baptized , because we have heard them speak in Tongues as well as we. So. They were also baptized in water. I believe He is The Comforter Jesus said He would send when He Went Away.
Daniel J Hesse
Faith is the hope and evidence manifested in tongues through the weakest and most unruly part of the body. For unbelievers it is a sign and to believers a source of edification and perfection of that which we already hold and are held by.
Daniel J Hesse
Tongues is the initial deposit of heaven in earthen vessels. So the child of God may fully operate with power, love, and a sound mind and so be His witness.
Mugisha John Paul
I like the way you look at scriptures Daniel
Link Hudson
Where does the Bible teach this?
Mugisha John Paul
I hope Daniel can answer this question
Daniel J Hesse
Very simple-the baptism of the Spirit was the initial and initiatory promised deposit of the Father through the Son. It is bestowed upon and into earthen vessels. You and I. Therefore, not only is He greater in us, but we have confidence in Him through the Holy Spirit that we together can prove the good, perfect, and acceptable will of God here on earth by the indwelling same Spirit.
Link Hudson
Daniel J Hesse sounds kind of like oneness beliefs IMO. Do you believe Christians who do not speak in tongues can have the earnest of the Spirit and the seal of the Spirit?
Daniel J Hesse
Link Hudson sure, Link I wonder if it all centers around how one exercise their measure of faith? Pls speak to the Oneness ?
Varnel Watson
Link Hudson you are back again after 2 weeks 🙂
And so funny again and not even Pentecostal
Link Hudson
Troy Day i still don’t get your 2 week joke
It’s one of those inside jokes so inside only the one tellung it gets it.
Varnel Watson
just check your posts – you get re-activated every 2 weeks not sure why that maybe your job
Varnel Watson
Link Hudson I would like to introduce you to our new and upcoming resident Greek theologian Robert Franzen – recent graduate from a top Pentecostal school Surely you too can come up with a Pentecostal interpretation of speaking in tongues in Acts 2, 8, 10
Robert Franzen
Troy Day sure, right after we finish our last discussion about the gap
Varnel Watson
I trust yall can do it I am off to SOTU
Varnel Watson
YES
Varnel Watson
YES https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ud0TU8rc4A
Varnel Watson
The Evidence of the Baptism with the Holy Spirit
How does a person know if they have received the baptism in the Holy Spirit? Is there any evidence to show that a person has received? Fortunately the Scriptures show us that there is evidence that one has been baptized with the Holy Spirit. In order to demonstrate this we are going to revisit the texts in Acts that were cited in the previous section.