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What is origin of demons also will antichrist be wounded?
Varnel Watson
Come on now Rico Hero Ricky Grimsley Bro DAKE is tarring them ol demons down David Lewayne Porter Timothy Carter Did they come from parallel universes? Joseph Kidwell Ira Huth Robert Borders
Robert Borders
There are so many theories about the origin of demons. I will honestly say that I really don’t know for sure but we do need to help people with demonic problems regardless of where they came from.
Ricky Grimsley
Demons are the disembodied spirits of the hybrid children of angels and men.
Rico Hero
Ricky, the Nephilim were not disembodied spirits.Once they died, that was it for them: snip, They are dead, they will not live;
they are shades, they will not arise;
to that end you have visited them with destruction
and wiped out all remembrance of them.
Ricky Grimsley
Nah
David Lewayne Porter
Does not matter.
They oppose us and we stand against them.
On the basis it did not matter to me where they come from.
In the name of Jesus
We have the victory!
Ricky Grimsley
Of course it matters.
David Lewayne Porter
No, it really doesn’t.
Why should it matter?
Jesus gave us power and authority over the enemy, satan, the devil, his tricks, tools, fiery darts, whiles, the world, sicknesses, diseases, principalities, powers, rulers of darkness of this world, spirit wickedness in high places, as well as others….
So again, in view of salvation and eternity
Why does it matter?
Varnel Watson
Origin is needed to remove from the root…
David Lewayne Porter
You think?
Ok, I’ll bite,
Why?
Varnel Watson
If you car smokes from the muffler do you start with replacing the muffler? Where should you start when fixing a soul? Robert Borders knows first step in counseling is family of origin chart …
David Lewayne Porter
Fixing a soul,
Where to start.
Great thought and question.
Jesus, salvation through Him,
first and final answer.
What we do to get the person to that point of realization is them, not the spirit influencing them from outside or within.
Do you realize that Jesus only “Asked” one spirit it’s name for “defining origin”, as you put it. Jesus totally ignored it’s answer.
Why?
Why do you believe that Jesus ignored the answer to the very question that Jesus initiated?
Within that question and answer lays a truth that will awaken new understanding for you.
Now as far as the smoking car,
There will be a tell-tell sound long before the visible smoke, to the discerning and trained ear that is.
I have known several mechanics most were family members that could diagnosis a car problem by listening to it.
It appears the smoking car is limited to sight and visual recognition.
Where is the discernment?
I have casted several devils out, demons for the theology of some.
Why, how?
Why?, Simply because they were trespassing and did not belong.
How?, by the power that lives inside of me by Him who abides inside of me.
Rico Hero
The nature of demons: They are evil (Judg. 9:23; 1Sam. 18:9-10). They are intelligent and wise (1Ki. 22:22-24 Acts 16:16). They are powerful (Mk. 5:1-18). They are disembodied spirits (Rev. 16:13-16). They are not angels (Acts 23:8-9). They are not human, for they possess men and can be cast out (Mt. 10:8; Mk. 16:17). They are individuals (Mk. 16:9). They have knowledge (Mt. 8:29; Lk. 4:41; Acts 19:15). They have faith (Jas. 2:19). They have feelings (Mt. 8:29; Mk. 5:7). They have fellowship (1Cor. 10:20-21). They have doctrines (1Tim. 4:1). They have wills (Mt. 12:43-45). They have miraculous powers (Rev. 16:13-16). They have emotions (Acts 8:7). They have desires (Mt. 8:28-31). They have other soul and spirit faculties. (DAKE)
Rico Hero
The work of demons: They possess people and cause dumbness and deafness (Mt. 9:32-33 Mk. 9:25) Blindness (Mt. 12:22) Grievous vexation (Mt. 15:22) Lunacy and mania (Mt. 4:23-24; 17:14-21 Mk. 5:1-18) Uncleanness (they are called unclean spirits 20 times; Lk. 4:36) Supernatural strength (Mk. 5:1-18) Suicide (Mt. 17:15; Jn. 10:10) Convulsions (Mk. 9:20) Lusts (Jn. 8:44; Eph. 2:1-3 1Jn. 2:15-17) Counterfeit worship (Lev. 17:7; Dt. 32:17; 2Chr. 11:15; Ps. 106:37; 1Cor. 10:20; Rev. 9:20) Error (1Jn. 4:1-6 1Tim. 4:1) Sicknesses and diseases (Mt. 4:23-24 Acts 10:38) Torments (Mt. 4:23-24; 15:22) Deceptions (1Tim. 4:1-2 1Jn. 4:1-6) Lying (1Ki. 22:21-24) Enchantments and witchcraft (2Chr. 33:6) Heresies (1Tim. 4:1) Wickedness (Lk. 11:26) Fear (2Tim. 1:7) Love of the world (1Jn. 2:15-17 1Cor. 2:12) Bondage (Rom. 8:15) Discord (1Ki. 22:21-24 Mt. 13:36-43) Violence (Mt. 17:15) Betrayals (Jn. 13:2; 1Ki. 22:21-23) Oppression (Acts 10:38) Sin (Jn. 8:44; 1Jn. 3:8) Persecution (1Pet. 5:8; Rev. 2:10) Jealousy (1Sam. 16:14; 18:8-10) False prophecy (1Sam. 18:8-10 1Ki. 22:21-24) Every other evil they possibly can, to work against man and God. (DAKE)
Rico Hero
The abilities of demons: They can teach (1Tim. 4:1). They can steal (Mt. 13:19; Lk. 8:12). They can fight (Eph. 4:27; 6:10-18 1Pet. 5:8). The can become fierce and wrathful (Mt. 8:28; Rev. 12:12). They can tell fortunes (Lev. 20:27; Acts 16:16). They can be friendly (they are called familiar spirits 16 times; Lev. 20:6,27). They go out and come back into people as they will, unless cast out and rejected (Mt. 12:43-45). They travel (1Ki. 22:21-24 Mk. 5:7,12). They speak (Mk. 1:34; 5:12; Acts 8:7). They imitate the departed dead (1Sam. 28:3-9 1Chr. 10:13; Isa. 8:19; Dt. 18:11). They can do many other things when in possession of bodies.(DAKE)
Varnel Watson
Rico Hero Are you copy pasting from DAKE’s Bible Software? Would this include once saved people who have backsliden – They go out and come back into people as they will, unless cast out and rejected (Mt. 12:43-45).
Rico Hero
Yes, it is a copy and paste from my Dake Study Bible Notes Program. I use this more than my Dake Annotated Bible
Rico Hero
MT. 12:43When an unclean spirit comes out of a man, it passes through arid places seeking rest and does not find it. 44Then it says, ‘I will return to the house I left.’ On its arrival, it finds the house vacant, swept clean and put in order. 45Then it goes and brings with it seven other spirits more evil than itself, and they go in and dwell there; and the final plight of that man is worse than the first. So will it be with this wicked generation.
Varnel Watson
Rico Hero Ricky Grimsley I had it back in the day but never got it to fully work. Do they have it as a phone app now? Back to OP Would this include once saved people who have backsliden – They go out and come back into people as they will, unless cast out and rejected (Mt. 12:43-45) //as we’ve discussed this before with David Lewayne Porter
Rico Hero
I purchased my Dake Bible Notes ($39.99)from the Olive Tree App ( free app.). I have it on my android phone, my ipad, and on my windows 10 desktop.
David Lewayne Porter
Troy Day
But they are not “current” believers.
Please notice the house is found
“empty”
upon his return.
And if we use the terminology “sealed” instead of filled or indwelling, can a devil or demon cross or enter what God has sealed?
Varnel Watson
I dont disagree with David Lewayne Porter The only thing I am asking is HOW are we to discern when praying in the altars ministering to people and all of the sudden in the prayer line is an apparent old member of the church manifesting an evil spirit
Ricky Grimsley
There is a giant rabbit hole here.
Varnel Watson
Can you fill it for us pls?
David Lewayne Porter
Troy Day
When they manifest it is too late to discern.
True Spiritual discernment is before manifestation where everyone sees and knows.
True Spiritual discernment is seeing what lays beneath the surface before it is revealed to any and all those present.
The Spirit will direct you in those situations by the Spirit of discernment. We also will be prepared through prayer and fasting with our Spiritual awareness heightened.
The genuine Spirit within us will alert us to any impostor(ing) spirits and how to deal with them.
Each person, spirit, and devil/demon is different and has to be handled that way.
Varnel Watson
I think it was bro. Robert Borders who testified attending a service where multiple active church pastor would be manifesting demons in the prayer for deliverance line. If demonic infestation is occurring in such level we may be better off casting out from all instead of splitting theological hairs while the demons are left alone to freely infest church folk
David Lewayne Porter
I totally agree with you as long as we distinguish believers and Christians from pastors, church folk, members, attendees, and etc.
Before we go around casting out spirits we need to go back to your reference in Matt 12:43-45 and realize that unless those who are delivered fill their house and then live in a way to keep it, themselves filled they will become worse off and are better left alone until they are willing to make it stick.
I do not cast the spirits out of everyone I come across who needs to be delivered. I have made that mistake a couple of times with disastrous effects.
I take special note that Jesus did not command every spirit to not return unto a body/house like He did this one
Mark 9:25
When Jesus saw that the people came running together, he rebuked the foul spirit, saying unto him, Thou dumb and deaf spirit, I charge thee, come out of him, and enter no more into him.
Varnel Watson
Jesus cast out every demon he came in contact with, it seems
David Lewayne Porter
And as far as casting out every demon He came into contact with;
We can’t assume that,
Mark 6:4-6
But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house. And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them. And he marvelled because of their unbelief. And he went round about the villages, teaching.
There were, possibly, believably devils there not dealt with.
But just speculation.
Here are some thoughts,
Did He command them all demons not to enter in again?
Is that not the individual’s personal choice?
Why did Jesus not say it to all of the devils He dealt with?
Timothy Carter
There is no Biblical evidence to support the parallel universe theory.
Varnel Watson
Wrong discussion ?
Timothy Carter
Yes, it is. I don’t know how I got on this discussion. LOL
Rico Hero
disembodied spirits were created without flesh and bone ( without bodies). Look at my hands and my feet and see who I am! Touch me and find out for yourselves. Ghosts don’t have flesh and bones as you see I have.” When were these disembodied spirits ( demons/Ghost) created is unknown. Perhaps , they were created before the world began and were there to hear God announce and promise to give eternal life to men! 2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;