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Biblical eLearning (http://biblicalelearning.org) presents: Dr. Dave Mathewson on Revelation
This is the final of thirty videos on the book of Revelation by Dr. Dave Mathewson. Dave currently teaches at Denver Seminary and has taught for years at Gordon College. He has a Ph. D. from the University of Aberdeen and his publications include “Verbal Aspect in the Book of Revelation” and “A New Heaven and a New Earth: The Meaning and Function of the Old Testament in Revelation 21:1-22:5” and most recently “Intermediate Greek Grammar” (Baker, 2016). This video was produced by Ted Hildebrandt from Gordon College and biblicalelearning.org.
Varnel Watson
Here we go Ricky Grimsley good biblical teaching 🙂
Gary Micheal Epping
All of the unbelievers and evil were cast into the lake of fire in Rev 20.
Varnel Watson
This guy challenges what Ricky Grimsley has been proposing now offering clear Biblical exegesis as proof Gary Micheal Epping many modern kingdom-now fellers exclude Rev 20 from their Bible
Scotty Searan
I am going to listen to more endepth
A lot of scripture that appears out of context
Gary Micheal Epping
Jesus said, “No one comes to the father except through me.” That includes all kinds of unbelievers like heathens, Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindu, etc. Everyone after the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus can only get to heaven through salvation offered by Jesus. The Jews were cut off and the gentiles grafted in at that time. There is no dual covenant where the Jews have a ‘special get into heaven’ card. Scripture does say that in the Endtimes, the blinders are lifted off, and a great harvest of Jewish believers will occur, as they are grafted back into the vine. However, this is only true for those that accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. I think John 3:36 is a more specific explanation of John 3:16, where it says, “He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him.” After the White Throne judgment, there will be only believers left, who will get to inhabit the new heavens and earth. This will include Messianic Jews, Irish Catholics, Muslim Christians, Southern Baptists, Pentecostals, etc. But, I don’t think we will have special tables or badges for these groups in heaven or on the recreated earth. We will all be simply be the followers of Jesus.
Varnel Watson
Ricky Grimsley I am honestly rethinking the whole Dake thing of the bride being a city and not the church? Rico A.J. Bible
Ricky Grimsley
Oh yeah?
Varnel Watson
well it just dont make a bit of sense you see
Gary Micheal Epping
From the description in Rev, it seems to be a place that houses the church. Jesus said in John 14:2, “In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.” This could not be a place of preparation in heaven itself since, Rev 21 says in reference to the New Jerusalem, “And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. Rev 21:22-23 calls it a city, ” I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp.” All of the saints, the church or all saved believers, in heaven will need a place of refuge in Rev 21:1 , “Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea.” The saints can’t stay in the old heaven or on the old earth at the time God destroys them. They are safe with God in the New Jerusalem, which comes down to the new earth, at which time the saints can come out on to the earth. Something to think about.
Varnel Watson
a place that houses the church – I’d like that
Gary Micheal Epping
Troy Day It would seem that the city would house all of the Jews that accepted Jesus in the Tribulation and the ones from the Old Covenant, as well as all of the saved Gentiles, since it speaks of the names of the 12 Tribes of Israel being written on the gates, and the names of the 12 apostles of the Lamb being written on the foundations. “On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. (REV 21:12-14).
Varnel Watson
Gary Micheal if memory serves me correctly Dake only mentions it in a brief article of 19 modern false teachings (or similar) Ricky Grimsley A.J. Bible could correct me of course. Not much proof or explanation is given beyond that. I dont doubt the teaching from Revelation but doubt the Bride of Jesus if a stone built city rather than the people of the True Church Just my c2
Gary Micheal Epping
I agree the Bride is not the City, as the city is just a dwelling place like heaven is a dwelling place. But, the Bride or Church will occupy the city, since the Godhead will reside here. In essence, the New Jerusalem replaces the old heaven as God’s new home. I would expect some mighty praises to occur in the New Jerusalem from all the saints and angels that are gathered there to worship God.
Gary Micheal Epping
Dake says, in his comments on Rev 21, the New Jerusalem is “called the bride, the lamb’s wife because it will be the eternal home of the redeemed of all ages. It is called the Heavenly Jerusalem because it is the Jerusalem in heaven and not the one on earth. It is the Father’s house because it is the abode of God and his heavenly family. It will come down from heaven to be the capital of of God on the new earth.”
So, if it is the abode of God’s heavenly family, when it comes down, it will contain the redeemed of all ages to be transported down to the new earth after it is created. Makes sense to me.
Varnel Watson
Makes sense to be a place where the Bride abides
Gary Micheal Epping
Interestingly, Dake also says, “We have the revelation that the city is not a cube, but a series of mountains starting with low foothill just inside the walls. For 1,500 miles the city ascends to the highest mountain on which is located the heavenly tabernacle… It is from this high mountain that John could see this city, streets, rivers, etc.”
Many people say the city is a cube, but the bible does not say that, only that the length, breadth, and height are the same. The base would be a square, 1500 x 1500 miles long, with the height of 1500 miles measured from the center of the city upward to a single point above. This would make it an isosceles triangle with 2.25 million square miles, which is plenty of room for the approximately 3.1B saints that are gathered there. The population density would be about 640 people per square mile, about the same as current countries like Germany, the United Kingdom, or Jamaica. I also find this perspective very fascinating.
Varnel Watson
Was it 1500 or 1200 that Dake says I calculated it to be the distance between Miami and Toronto – I like the mountain analogy It was the reason John saw the things in the way he did but Ricky Grimsley has insisted the city is the bride How could it be? It’s a very mechanical interpretation at best
Gary Micheal Epping
Troy Day Dake takes some heat from a lot of people about some of the material in his commentary, but the amount is immense and even the most seasoned and knowledgeable Christian errors at times. No one is right all the time, not Dake or any of the theologians past and present. I would say that 95%+ are accurate. That is excellent considering scientific hypothesis testing uses a 90-95% confidence level to determine if something is accepted or rejected.
Varnel Watson
I;ve said it to Ricky Grimsley before DAKE is unmistakable on prophecy No other commentary needed
Gary Micheal Epping
What is even more interesting is that I don’t use any commentaries often anymore, but use a NKJ with no commentary. In one of my books about the tribulation, A couple of years back, II wrote some things about the New Jerusalem from info solely from my bible and the inspiration of the Spirit. Today, when I went into the Dake bible to answer one of your questions on the City, his commentary was essentially the same as I had written in my book. Never had read it before. Nice way to get a confirmation.
Varnel Watson
who can read ALL that DAKE has written 🙂