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INTRODUCTION
Two men sat with their hats in their hands in the office of a prominent Pentecostal pastor
in Michigan. They explained that they had been unhappy with a spiritual brother and as a result
they formulated and spread lies about him. Among the lies they told were that he had been
unfaithful to his wife. Now, the man was dead. Suicide, based on aftermath of the lies they had
forged about him.
“How can we fix this?” They asked their pastor. In response the pastor walked to a closet
and pulled out a feather pillow. He handed the pillow to one of the men. Then he gave the pair
this instruction:
“Drive to Chicago. Go to the Chicago tower.3 Go up to the top floor and pour all the
feathers in this pillow out the window. Then, go down to the ground and retrieve all the
feathers.”
“Pastor!” one of the men exclaimed, “We would never be able to retrieve all the
feathers!”
“Yes,” the pastor acknowledged. “You will also never fix all the mess you have created
through your lies and deceit.”
This is the task we with which we find ourselves confronting. Many people have spread
falsehood about Charles and Sarah Parham and their family. We will only be able to retrieve
some of the ‘feathers’, but we will pick up the ones that we are able. For more than one
hundred years those who have been interested in the Apostolic Faith or Pentecostal Movement
have been subjected to storylines about Charles Parham that are fundamentally unethical. No
man or woman should be held hostage by unproven claims, predisposed to support a
denominational agenda. Volumes have been written about Charles Parham. Nearly all of them
3 https://www.willistower.com/history-and-facts
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are filled with spurious claims about his personal life. We are not proposing that anyone is
above scrutiny. What we are saying is that no one should be ill-famed based on undocumented
or unprovable allegations. Further, any claim against a person that derives from their sworn
enemies (especially political or religious foes) should be regarded with great suspicion and
presented as such. For example: When visiting websites and the subject is Charles Parham you
get a disclaimer ostensibly accusing the Parham’s of being racists.4 Strangely, there is no such
disclaimer for William Branham who was part of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK).5 None of the Assemblies
of God’s racist hall of shame who hold the same ideology as the KKK are gaslighted in that same
manner.6 No disclaimers for them. The point is the disclaimers are a part of continued diatribe
of innuendo started by the all-white Texas Syndicate and propagated by religious hate groups
like the Assemblies of God (AG)7, the United Pentecostal Church (UPCI)8 and many others.
Christian magazines like Charisma routinely print articles allowing Charles Parham to be libeled
as “infamous” while they routinely promote others with sordid pasts.9
Scripture Supports the Idea of Innocent Until Proven Guilty
While legitimate legal processes declared the Parham’s innocent, religious bigots and
xenophobes have conducted a campaign to smear, libel and slander the Parham’s in the fugazi
Court of Public Opinion. Charles and Sarah Parham have been denied a fair defense of
unfounded charges against their family, persons, lives, and character. This author has no legal
education but regards it reasonable to give the Parham’s an opportunity for a fair-minded and
impartial defense as protected in the Bill of Rights10. Further, where appropriate give the
4 https://theopolisinstitute.com/leithart_post/spirit-of-segregation/
5 https://william-branham.org/site/books/pbtwh
6 https://www.cambriapress.com/pub.cfm?bid=96
7 Ethics in the Age of the Spirit. Race, Women, War and the Assemblies of God. Howard N. Kenyon. 2019.
8 https://theoldblackchurch.blogspot.com/2018/10/is-there-racism-in-united-pentecostal.html
9 Charisma. Why the Azusa Street Revival Ended. J. D. King. 2016. J.D. King is the director of the World Revival Network and
associate pastor of World Revival Church.
10 Sixth Amendment. In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of
the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law,
and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory
process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense.
https://constitution.congress.gov/constitution/amendment-6/
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benefit of the doubt, show mercy, and expect that those who are genuinely filled with the Holy
Ghost are imperfect but forgiven.11 As Citizens of Heaven, we are cleansed by the blood of Jesus
Christ.12 Citizens of the United States of America hold to a cardinal principle of justice that every
person accused of a crime is presumed to be innocent unless and until his or her guilt is
established beyond a reasonable doubt.13 The presumption is not a mere formality. It is a
matter of the most important substance. “Although the United States Constitution recognized a
right to a jury trial in criminal cases, the states demanded a constitutional amendment to
guarantee a jury trial in civil cases as well, leading to the creation of the Seventh Amendment.”14
Thankfully these are fundament rights afforded all Citizens.15 Trial via media circus is purely evil.
those who employ such methods should by right be treated in a manner equal to those who
use mob justice and lynching.16
“When Job’s life was in turmoil, his friends assumed he had done wrong and was being
divinely punished. Many allegations were made against his character, though each was
incorrect. The book ends with God chastising Job’s friends for their rush to judgment. Even as
wild allegations were made against Jesus, the legal expert Nicodemus spoke: “Does our law
condemn anyone without first hearing him to find out what he is doing (John 7:51)?”17
“If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his
brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.”18
11 See Zachariah 7:9-10.
12 The cleansing power of the blood of Jesus. The blood of Jesus has two-fold cleansing power! Read how in this enlightening article.
Elias Aslaksen. See 1 John 1:7-9.
13 See Job 33:9.
14 https://www.loc.gov/exhibits/magna-carta-muse-and-mentor/trial-by-jury.html
15 See II Corinthians 7:11
16 See Matthew 17:24
17 https://drjimmann.com/2018/10/04/bible-even-points-to-idea-of-innocent-until-proven-guilty/
18 1 John 4:20
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Innocent if Not Proven Guilty
A man, or woman is presumed innocent if not proven guilty by a legitimate court of their
peers.19 The opportunity for them to legally defend themselves is paramount.20 The
presumption of innocence alone may be sufficient to raise a reasonable doubt and to require
the acquittal of a defendant. In a trial of any kind, it should be expected that the defendant, has
the benefit of that presumption of innocence, and you are not to convict of a particular charge
unless you are persuaded of guilt of that charge beyond a reasonable doubt.21 History is full of
false witnesses, liars and perjurers.22 “From Cain to Potiphar’s Wife to the pig and chicken laws
of the Lex Salica of Clovis I.”23 “Bearing false witness is mentioned many times in the Bible,
exclusively as something terrible. “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor” is the
ninth of the Ten Commandments that Moses brought back with him from his encounter with
God on Mount Sinai (Exodus 20:16). False witness, or spreading a false report, is associated with
being allied with the wicked (Exodus 23:1), willing to do violence to others (Psalm 27:12), and
sowing discord among brothers (Proverbs 6:19). The Bible calls bearing false witness lying
(Proverbs 14:5) and compares a man who bears false witness against his neighbor to a violent
weapon (Proverbs 25:18). Lies harm people.24
19 https://www.fairtrials.org/the-right-to-a-fair-trial/the-presumption-of-innocence/
20 https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/right_to_counsel
21 The First Circuit has repeatedly stated that “reasonable doubt is a fundamental concept that does not easily lend itself
to refinement or definition.” United States v. Vavlitis, 9 F.3d 206, 212 (1st Cir. 1993); see also United States v. Campbell,
874 F.2d 838, 843 (1st Cir. 1989). For that reason, the First Circuit has joined other circuits in advising that the meaning of
“reasonable doubt” be left to the jury to discern. United States v. Cassiere, 4 F.3d 1006, 1024 (1st Cir. 1993) (“[A]n
instruction which uses the words reasonable doubt without further definition adequately apprises the jury of the proper
burden of proof.” (Quoting United States v. Olmstead, 832 F.2d 642, 646 (1st Cir. 1987)); accord United States v. Taylor,
997 F.2d 1551, 1558 (D.C. Cir. 1993) (“[T]he greatest wisdom may lie with the Fourth Circuit’s and Seventh Circuit’s
instruction to leave to juries the task of deliberating the meaning of reasonable doubt.”). The constitutionality of this
practice was reaffirmed by the Supreme Court in Victor v. Nebraska, 511 U.S. 1, 5-6 (1994). It is not reversible error to
refuse further explanation, even when requested by the jury, so long as the reasonable doubt standard was “not ‘buried as
an aside’ in the judge’s charge.” United States v. Littlefield, 840 F.2d 143, 146 (1st Cir. 1988) (quoting Olmstead, 832 F.2d
at 646).
22 False Witness: A Lawyer’s History of the Law of Perjury. Richard H. Underwood University of Kentucky College of Law,
runderwo@uky.edu Fall 1993.
23 False Witness: A Lawyer’s History of the Law of the Law of Perjury. Richard H. Underwood. University of Kentucky
College of Law. 1993.
24 Brooks Ayers Isn’t Alone: 8 Famous Lies and the Liars Who Told Them. History has proven, the truth always comes out. NATALIE
FINN. NOV 12, 2015.
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A false witness is one who stands up and swears before others that something untrue is
true, especially with the intention of hurting someone else or ruining his reputation.25 This is a
crime called Perjury. “Whoever (1) having taken an oath before a competent tribunal, officer, or
person, in any case in which a law of the United States authorizes an oath to be administered,
that he will testify, declare, depose, or certify truly, or that any written testimony, declaration,
deposition, or certificate by him subscribed, is true, willfully and contrary to such oath states or
subscribes any material matter which he does not believe to be true; or (2) in any declaration,
certificate, verification, or statement under penalty of perjury as permitted under section 1746
of title 28, United States Code, willfully subscribes as true any material matter which he does
not believe to be true; is guilty of perjury and shall, except as otherwise expressly provided by
law, be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both. This section is
applicable whether the statement or subscription is made within or without the United
States.”26
This type of crime happened to David (Psalm 27:12), Jesus (Matthew 26:60; Mark 14:56),
and Stephen (Acts 6:13). When the wicked Queen Jezebel wished to procure a vineyard for her
sulking husband, King Ahab, she employed two false witnesses. Naboth, the rightful owner of
the vineyard, was seated in an honorable place on a day of fasting, but “then two scoundrels
came and sat opposite him and brought charges against Naboth before the people, saying,
‘Naboth has cursed both God and the king.’ So, they took him outside the city and stoned him
to death” (1 Kings 21:13). What the “scoundrels” said against Naboth was absolutely untrue;
they were bearing false witness with impunity and with the queen’s blessing. As a result, an
innocent man was killed. When a person is righteous and his enemies can find nothing with
which to blame him, bearing false witness is a common weapon. The lies told by a false witness
come from the sinful human heart—along with murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft,
25 4 Famous People Convicted of Perjury. ETHAN TREX. AUGUST 26, 2010
26 June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 773; Pub. L. 88–619, § 1, Oct. 3, 1964, 78 Stat. 995; Pub. L. 94–550, § 2, Oct. 18,
1976, 90 Stat. 2534; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(1)(I), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.
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slander, and evil thoughts (Matthew 15:19). Jesus said that man is defiled by these evil things
that come from the heart.”27
The presumption of innocence until proven guilty means that the burden of proof is
always on those bringing the charge to satisfy that defendant is guilty of the crime with which
he/she is charged beyond a reasonable doubt. This burden never shifts to the defendant. It is
always the government’s burden to prove each of the elements of the crime charged beyond a
reasonable doubt by the evidence. The defendant has the right to rely upon the failure or
inability of the government to establish beyond a reasonable doubt any essential element of a
crime charged against him/her.28 No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his
privacy, family, home or correspondence, nor to attacks upon his honor and reputation.29
Since the false arrest of Parham was in Texas, we investigated that legal action.
Unfortunately, the State of Texas has made the spotlight for leading the way with a glut of
wrongful convictions, executions and mishandling of cases.30 The problem in Texas has been
prevalent for more than 100 years.31 Texans are historically all too tolerant of the innocent
being exploited. There are too many cases of innocent people being accused of crimes that they
did not commit.32 To be an accomplice, accessory or aide and abet the persecution of someone
not convicted of a crime as in the case of Charles Parham is corrupt.33 Those who conspired
against the Parham family in a secret cabal perpetrated by those we have dubbed The Texas
27 https://www.gotquestions.org/false-witness.html
28 This instruction does not use a “‘guilt or innocence’ comparison” warned against by the First Circuit. United States v.
DeLuca, 137 F.3d 24, 37 (1st Cir. 1998); United States v. Andujar, 49 F.3d 16, 24 (1st Cir. 1995). A “guilt and non-guilt”
comparison is “less troublesome,” but still “could risk undercutting the government’s burden by suggesting that the
defendant is guilty if they do not think he is not guilty.” United States v. Ranney, Nos. 01-1912, 01-2531, 01-1913, 2002
WL 1751379, at *5 (1st Cir. Aug. 1, 2002).
29 For the rationale of Self-defense, see: Boaz Sangero, Self -Defense in Criminal Law 11 – 106 (Hart Publishing, 2006).
30 https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence/executed-but-possibly-innocent
31 https://www.mad.uscourts.gov/resources/pattern2003/html/patt4cfo.htm
32 https://sddefenseattorneys.com/blog/famous-wrongful-conviction-cases/
33 Accomplices, Accessories, Aiders, and Abettors
How criminals are defined–from accomplices to aiders and abettors to conspirators–depends on their participation in the crime.
Micah Schwartzbach, Attorney
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Syndicate acted in a manner that is unconscionable.34 This organization did what was all too
common in Texas history; attempt to lynch an innocent man.35
Real witnesses have a responsibility to first hear all evidence and then give fair and
impartial consideration.36 If you have a reasonable doubt as to a defendant’s guilt of a particular
crime, it is your duty to acquit him/her of that crime.37 Once acquitted the matter is over.38 This
is a civility we must afford all mankind. As followers of Jesus Christ, we are commanded to
conduct our lives in such a manner that we are not judgmental.39 Charles and Sarah Parham
have been denied this civility.40 The outrageous accusations against them based on the word of
their political enemies in collusion with unknown contrived witnesses met only the lowest
standards.41
This treatise will attempt to begin to set the record straight. There is no effort to hide any
truth, but there is a deliberate endeavor to lay to rest lies, innuendo, libel, slander, backbiting
and all other works of the flesh.42 Included in the works of the flesh are hatred, contentions,
jealousy, outburst of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissentions, heresies, envy, murderers, revelries,
etc. Apostle Paul warned that those practice such things will not inherit the Kingdom of God!43
There are fundamental questions raised about the activity and character of the Parham’s
detractors and accusers. We are not here to judge them, but we will not shy away from an
honest assessment of their actions. Aiding and abetting against an innocent person was and
remains criminal activity. “Under the Texas penal code, if you help another person commit a
crime or knew about it, you may wind up in jail. Examples: You purposely helped facilitate a
34 A defendant is never to be convicted on suspicion or conjecture.
https://www.mad.uscourts.gov/resources/pattern2003/html/patt4cfo.htm
35 https://www.lynchingintexas.org/
36 https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_16
37 Reasonable Doubt. WILL KENTON. September 28, 2021. Reviewed by ROBERT C. KELLY. Fact chec ked by ARIEL COURAGE
38 Arrests That Don’t Result in Criminal Charges. Janet Portman, Attorney
39 Matthew 5:7.
40 https://www.opensocietyfoundations.org/publications/justice-denied-americas-continuing-neglect-our-constitutional-right-
counsel
41 What Do States Owe People Who Are Wrongfully Convicted? STATELINE ARTICLE March 14, 2017. Scott Rodd
42 Galatians 5:19-21.
43 I Corinthians 6:9.
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crime by assisting, encouraging, directing or hiding the truth. You solicit someone else to engage
in a crime on your behalf. The law does not care that you did not directly participate in a
crime.”44
Our response is not meant in the same manner as the unfounded allegations of the
Parham’s enemies. Rather, this written account is presented as the rightful defense everyone
should be granted. These historical facts and information are not intended as indictments. Yet,
they may present that way in areas where the historical record implicates the character and/or
motive of those who have born false witness.45 For our part, we have given the historical
record. We cannot answer for the action of others. We can and will continue to assert that we
are not those people. It is fair an honorable that we should be purveyors of truth. We are not of
those who would purposely bring hostility to any group, race or gender. We are for all women,
called of God, to walk in their calling.
To the horrible abuse by those claiming Christ, even further presenting to have been
born of the water and Spirit, we offer no excuses. The actions of such are indefensible. We offer
only sorrow at their reprehensible actions. That officials and leader of religious organizations,
denominations, their proxies and surrogates would do these things in the name of God are
embarrassing blemishes to the Body of Christ.46 We join in solidarity with all minorities
(including women, African American’s, Japanese, Native Americans, Mexicans, Chinese, all
people of Africa and others) especially those who have been maligned by these religious
groups. We desire that these minorities realize that we are not wiling that anyone should use
falsehood to torment anyone as these have done and apparently still practice in too many
cases. Further, we will not be those who make excuses for those who have committed criminal
and civil offenses based on the color of one’s skin, race, or one’s gender. In this treatise we take
44 Understanding a charge of aiding and abetting On Behalf of Juan L Guerra Jr & Associates | Nov 19, 2019
45 Exodus 23:1.
46 Jude 1:12.
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a stand for those who have been slandered, libeled, defamed in any manner. We continue to
take such as stand in their defense. To God be the Glory!
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CHAPTER ONE
APOSTOLIC FAITH
“There are no small parts, only small actors”47
47 Konstantin Stanislavski.
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Charles Fox and Sarah Eleanor Parham waltz onto the pages of history because
of the Topeka Outpouring.48 “The Parham’s importance to the Apostolic Faith
and Pentecostal movement is clearly recognized, particularly their central role
in establishing the doctrine of tongues as the initial evidence of Spirit baptism. What detractors
fail to recognize is that the Pentecostal movement for the volatile first-generation period, and
indeed throughout much of its subsequent history, has been freewheeling; indeed, much of its
dynamic growth can be attributed to this interpretive freedom. What mattered was the crux of
the Pentecostal message – the baptism of the Holy Ghost. Spirit baptism was understood by all
in the Apostolic Faith Movement [AFM] and Pentecostals adopted this as their identifying
badge, and the consensus formed quickly that this experience came to a believer with the
accompanying biblical sign, speaking in tongues.49 As a result, Parham’s position as the initial
Pentecostal theologian and the most prominent spokesman of the pioneering generation
cannot be obscured.”50
READ it ALL in Legacy: Charles Fox & Sarah Parham and the Racial Roots of the Pentecostal Movement
Anonymous
there is NO reason to stop talking about his issue in our group Bishop Bernie L Wade even if some ppl get mad and decide to leave – we cannot run away from it
White was pro KKK
Parham had his own honorary membership
Philip Williams grandmother was an early Pentecostal but she was NO racist
Peter Vandever belonged to many modern churches that were not racists
Neil Steven Lawrence Link Hudson were in missions – by default not racists
how are these roots still baring fruit within our church whereAS ppl get mad when asked to discuss the issue and leave almost in anger? We well repost the talk and pick it up from here as well
I read and re-read your comments a few times this morning; I am not seeing anything out of line – we need to talk our Pentecostal history UNTIL we figure it out in my opinion So lets keep on talking the TRUTH – if someone gets mad ohWell Can anybody answer what Holiness actually is? Is it just a “standard” some choose to live by? Are those who do not have the “standard” less “saved” than those who keep a standard?
SO what is the final conclusion we can draw here
there was NO Azusa prophecy as Peter Vandever claimed before
If ther was ANY word it was originally Parham’s?
there is very little proof Parham ever had any such word given…
Anonymous
PARHAM made NO such prophecy neither did they @ AZUSA obviously disregarding the Tommy Welchel telling it – BTW did you hear Tommy Welchel in person or just saw the interviews? I met him a few years ago. Good guy but I have my questions about the prophetic word… that I pointed out. So I remember when it came out around 2009-2010 but I dont understand why the interest today? It’s already beyond past and BTW many claim Frank Bartleman was the one who prophesied the 100 year renewal Oh and how can we miss the Liardon cover version: In 1909, after the initial 1000 day glory outpouring in Azusa street, W. Seymour prophesied that God would restore the glory in 100 years. It would take 100 .
https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/100-years-past-azusa-street-new-revival-prophecy/
Anonymous
It seems he means well, but the Azusa Mission could not hold hundreds of people. Lots of smoke and mirrors in this report (literally and figuratively) While nearly all of those who recognize the manifestation of the Holy Spirit in a Pentecostal or Apostolic imprimatur have commonality with the Topeka Outpouring, there are many who have no connection to Los Angeles. Those connected to the Los Angeles Outpouring came from some 8 different churches – not just the Azusa Street Mission. The Apostolic Faith Movement was already global before 1906. Likely, the largest outpouring of the day was in Zion, Illinois. Norris repeatedly mentions the Shekhinah. Does he understand that is a Kaballistic term describe the “feminine nature of God” or “the Divine Feminine”? Lots of things sound cool, but we must be careful. That is the view from my porch.
the 3rd wave book by wagner is NOT it – this is NOT about 3rd wave but 3rd Pentecost Link Hudson was gonna buy the book and I was hoping he posts URL to it for all This is the moment when our friend Alfredo needs to stepi in as librarien and find it if you tag him here – especially as it was said the book was co-authored by Arrington…
I am a bit puzzled like John Mushenhouse Jerome Herrick Weymouth Bishop Bernie L Wade on some of the NEW 3rd pentecost terminlogy
– whatexacly is a Chair of the Seer of the 3rd Temple and why does the seminary or ORU need one? Terminology reminds of big Al dowie or more resently of the Jewish rabbi that was habinger or whatever terminology they were using back in 2015
I have only gathered few videos here and there somed articles and pages from the book SO I am asking all Pentecostal historians David Bundy Larry Martin James Philemon Bowers Dale M. Coulter Tony Richie Frank Macchia David Willaim Faupel how is there another Pentecost at Azusa right now without another resurrection of JESUS? is this fullfiling the Azusa prophecy or what? https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/?s=aZUSA+prophecy
First, much of this is gnostic nonsense. It’s the kind of wild stuff that has been unfortunately associated with Spirit movements forever. Second, it’s nonsense because it’s unnecessary. We don’t NEED a prophecy of a second Pentecost because Acts makes clear outpourings of the Spirit CAN and MAY happen in response to spiritual needs and seeking believers.
I am copying here what we were told about the worrisome titles
Empowered 21 Asia event being conducted at the Sentul International Convention Center in Bogor, Indonesia when Mrs Cindy Jacobs prophesied and proclaimed Ps. Niko as the “Messenger of the Third Pentecost”. 11,000 persons were gathered
book “Pentecost Again” by Niko Njotoraharjo, French Arrington & Tim Hill. At the beginning of the book there is the personal testimony of Pastor Niko and in chapter 4, “Global Pentecostalism: The Third Pentecost”. This book from Pathway Press was released in July 2022.
Pastor Niko serves as the Founding Pastor of “Gereja Bethel Indonesia affiliated with the Church of God via “Amalgamation” since 1967.
Pentecostal Theological Seminary “Chair for the Restoration of the Tabernacle of David”
This 24/7 prayer network is now the “Azusa Prayer Tower” (APT)!
In April 14, 2023 they will dedicate the Third Pentecost Azusa Prayer Tower in downtown Los Angeles
Michael Womack RW Deese Mike Partyka Wayne Scott Stan Wayne Doyle Rogers RichardAnna Boyce Pete F. Fiske Jevan Little Daniel J Hesse AND Joseph D. Absher may need to call the guy who lives with his mother – forgetting his name now …
https://www.pathwaybookstore.com/item/pentecost-again-pb/
Anonymous
Troy Day
“Third Wave” or “Third Pentecost“ do seem like catchy titles meant to evoke peoples’ desire for revival and fresh outpouring.
Whether it is merely a hope or a reality will depend on the fruit that is born.
Whether it is heretical to “prophesy“ this into reality also remains to be seen.
BTW We were ministering alongside some Pentecostals from Zion Illinois movement while we lived in Eldoret, Kenya
Anonymous
Neil Steven Lawrence “Third Wave” or “Third Pentecost“? LETs talk about the similarities much much more in detail Link Hudson suggested even 4th pentecost based on the 4th gospel; I cannot help that think TerryandNita Wiles that our AG and cog and Rick Warren figured they missed greatly on the 3rd wave wagner and not want to jump on the Third Pentecost band wagon Philip Williams WHAT is popish Warren has to do with Pentecost anyways? Philip Williams Nelson Banuchi
Anonymous
Troy Day hide, hide! Under the bed!
Anonymous
Troy Day you posted on 4th Pentecost. I said that was creative like pretribbers adding an extra return of Christ, and the 4th Pentecost would have been four years after God gave Moses the commands about the feasts.
Anonymous
Troy Day
If I remember from reading Wagner‘s book during seminary 35 years ago that he was acknowledging the power of the Pentecostal movement to affect the harvest around the world especially in developing world countries. This is at least commendable since many non-Pentecostal‘s even at that time were very antagonistic toward Pentecostals.
Whatever term you use to describe it, it matters not unless fruit is born, thus giving credence to the genuineness of whatever so-called movement.
In East Africa during the 70s and 80s there was a move of God (which swept out of Rwanda I believe) into other parts of East Africa – especially Kenya. It was among main line churches like Africa Inland Church (AIC), Anglican, Presbyterian, etc. and may have been a response to the moving in of the Pentecostals around that time. Either way it caused great dedication among the generation of older believers.
This was perhaps the beginning of a 40 year long revival which caused massive church growth in East Africa – mostly accruing too Pentecostal churches and indigenous Pentecostal movements.
Our Crusade ministry Eagles’ Wings Gospel Team enjoyed the tail end of this revival; as we experienced thousands of people getting saved over 184 gospel meetings, during a 25 year period.
Now the developing world has more Christians in number than the sending countries from Europe and the United States. In fact Africa is the largest Christian continent in the world in numbers.
Anonymous
Link Hudson 3th Pentecost not 4th – is everything OK?
Anonymous
There are no contemporary witnesses to this “prophecy.” Zero. It is fictional as are many Azusa stories. If it was a prophesy given by Seymour (and it was not) it would most certainly be a false prophesy. Seymour died more than 100 years ago and the window for such a prophesy to be fulfilled has closed. As you know from our past history I only ask and address you when I need an expert opinion like yours which I personally appreciate greatly PLS advise me – scholar2scholar where do I find solid proof of what you just told me, which I do not disagree with it. I do not wish to make an argument of silence, and would like to present some proof. There is a video on youtube with African lady said to be last witness of Azusa that speaks about the prophecy (some)
Seymour’s 100 Year Prophecy Bishop Bernie L Wade
This is all I could find about Seymour’s prophecy. It is NOT well documented @ all. There’s lots of speculation 1909, 1910, 1913, 1922 around his death and so on… Apart from that ppl seem NOT to know that Azusa was over and gone by 1909. Some cite the prophecy from his travelling notes, which you have studied extensively for your book series on Azusa…
It all comes down to Tommy’s book with a single quote from a testimony by one David Garcia who was a boy during Azusa, but recalls being told the words of the prophecy. I will try to attach Tommy’s whole book, but here is the only quote of interest:
“p38 Brother Garcia was the first to tell me of Seymour‘s prophesy that in about 100 years there would be a return of the Shekinah Glory and a revival that would surpass the Works of God at Azusa.*
It was forty years ago that we spoke, and Brother Garcia told of the 100 year prophesy by Brother Seymour concerning the fresh outpouring of God‘s Spirit.
As this book is being written, people all over the world are celebrating the Azusa Centennial. I pray the prayer of my dear friend and brother, David Garcia, that soon we will see Brother Seymour‘s prophesy fulfilled and the greatest visitation of God ever known to man fall fresh on this world.
*Charles Parham also prophesied that another great revival would happen in about 100 years.
Seymour, who made the prophesy around 1909 or 1910 may have made this prophesy after Parham.”
Anonymous
Thank you for your response. Let me give you a modern comparison. I know many people (perhaps you do as well), that say my friend Thomas Jakes has 25,000 in his church service. It is also in newspapers and on their website. Yet, the building seats about 7,000. People are rarely experts on crowd size. Now, 1200 nightly at the Apostolic Faith Gospel Mission? If they stacked them in like lumber maybe. We have good pics of the interior and it would not hold that many people. 1200 nightly at the 8 or more locations of the Los Angeles Outpouring. Certainly. Where do I get this stuff? It is called Historical investigation. Lot of good historians (like yourself). I deeply appreciate your contribution. But just because someone thought it, or the newspaper said it does not make it a fact. As to the Global Impetus of the Topeka Outpouring. The Topeka outpouring was at least 3 years before the Wales Revival. It was the subject of news articles, college professors, and other media. The Topeka Outpouring changed the conversation. Those teaching Cessation found the Topeka Outpouring a direct contradiction. Thus, they either sought to know more or to discredit those who led the movement. By 1903, the Topeka Outpouring was well known and was source material for the Wales Revival as well as many lesser known outpourings such as Louisville, Kentucky, Schenectady, New York, etc. It was, in fact, this impetus that brought Los Angeles ministries and churches to seek their own outpouring before Apostolic Faith adherents arrived in 1905 to have tent meetings. While Pentecostal groups have arrogantly claimed the Los Angeles Outpouring as their own, evidence is lacking that anyone in Los Angeles in 1906 identified themself as a “Pentecostal”. Rather they sought an experience that they identified as their personal “Pentecost”. This was a term that had been in use by Methodist adherents for nearly a century. By 1905, much of the United States, including Los Angeles, was praying for an outpouring of the Holy Spirit. Thank God!
Let me also give you some historical evidence on the Apostolic Faith Mission on Azusa Street. This building was formerly F.A.M.E. The historic First African Methodist Episcopal church. The F.A.M.E. group moved from the location because it was too small and the lot was not suitable to build larger. If this building could seat 1200 as is proposed, then the F.A.M.E. congregation would simply have stayed. Also, research the number of churches at the time that could seat 1000 or more. They were few. [comments by Bishop Bernie L Wade ]
Anonymous
Bishop Bernie L Wade I do not disagree with you On the contrary! As you know from our past history I only ask and address you when I need an expert opinion like yours which I personally appreciate greatly PLS advise me – scholar2scholar where do I find solid proof of what you just told me, which I do not disagree with it. I do not wish to make an argument of silence, and would like to present some proof. There is a video on youtube with African lady said to be last witness of Azusa that speaks about the prophecy (some)
This is all I could find about Seymour’s prophecy. It is NOT well documented @ all. There’s lots of speculation 1909, 1910, 1913, 1922 around his death and so on… Apart from that ppl seem NOT to know that Azusa was over and gone by 1909. Some cite the prophecy from his travelling notes, which you have studied extensively for your book series on Azusa…
It all comes down to Tommy’s book with a single quote from a testimony by one David Garcia who was a boy during Azusa, but recalls being told the words of the prophecy. I will try to attach Tommy’s whole book, but here is the only quote of interest:
“p38 Brother Garcia was the first to tell me of Seymour‘s prophesy that in about 100 years there would be a return of the Shekinah Glory and a revival that would surpass the Works of God at Azusa.*
It was forty years ago that we spoke, and Brother Garcia told of the 100 year prophesy by Brother Seymour concerning the fresh outpouring of God‘s Spirit.
As this book is being written, people all over the world are celebrating the Azusa Centennial. I pray the prayer of my dear friend and brother, David Garcia, that soon we will see Brother Seymour‘s prophesy fulfilled and the greatest visitation of God ever known to man fall fresh on this world.
*Charles Parham also prophesied that another great revival would happen in about 100 years.
Seymour, who made the prophesy around 1909 or 1910 may have made this prophesy after Parham.”
Anonymous
FINALLY Tony Richie David Bundy Frank Macchia David Willaim Faupel
I have spoken during the pandemic with Dr. Mel and have bugged him about this some (quite a bit actually). There were about 40 seats @ the original Azusa; the benches were set as in a 3/4 stage though there was no stage OR podium at first; however many came through payer in-n-out constantly; this went on 3 times a day for 3 yrs as we all well know. There was even more going on via various groups and leaders (including Bartleman @ 8th and Maple str.) and many parks where his immigrant wife had a prominent role (one of few white women at the time supporting Azusa); especially among Molokans who first spoke in tongues in even before the Azusa revival started:
“Molokans followed the prophecy and reached first Canada via Japan and Seattle and later on California. After passing through the quarantine station in Ayala Cove, many settled in Los Angeles, the Central Valley and San Francisco. Because of their prior experience with Holy Spirit outpourings in the homeland, Molokans were naturally drawn to the Azusa Street Revival (1906-1909). The surrounding streets in E. Los Angeles and Oake’s Lot (Pecan Playground) were home of Slavic immigrants many of which belonged to the Molokan faith. Frank Bartleman reported his meetings at the close by Boyle Heights and what later became known as the “Russian Flats”,
“January 2, I testified and helped in an all-day meeting at Boyle Heights M. E. Church, walking there, not having car-fare. Being very tired I asked the Lord for my carfare home, and found a nickel on the side-walk. I rode home.”
His Bulgarian born wife, Anna, was well acquainted with ministering among Russian immigrants as early as their assignment in McKees Rocks. She would have been able to freely communicate and minister to the Slavs present at the early Pentecostal meetings in Los Angeles as well. When the revival moved to Azusa, the Apostolic Faith newspaper too affirmed the presence of Russian Molokans who spoke in tongues and heard others baptized in the Spirit speaking their mother tongue. As soon as the first edition announced that “Pentecost Has come,” it also reported that:
“RUSSIANS HEAR IN THEIR OWN TONGUE.
Different nationalities are now hearing the Gospel in their own “tongue wherein they were born.” Sister Anna Hall spoke to the Russians in their church in Los Angeles, in their own language as the Spirit gave utterance. They were so glad to hear the truth that they wept and even kissed her hands. They are a very simple, pure, and hungry people for the full Gospel. The other night, as a company of Russians were present in the meeting, Bro. Lee, a converted Catholic, was permitted to speak their language. As he spoke and sang, one of the Russians came up and embraced him. It was a holy sight, and the Spirit fell upon the Russians, as well as on others, and they glorified God.”
The Apostolic Faith reported also of Russian and Armenian Pryguny in attendance who lived in the Boyle Heights “Russian Flats” and held meetings at Bethlehem Institutional Church and Stimson-Lafayette Industrial School:
“Russians and Armenians in Los Angeles are seeking the baptism. The Armenians have a Pentecostal cottage meeting on Victor street, between 4th and 5th. Some have been baptized with the Holy Ghost.”
This cited from https://www.amazon.com/Unforgotten-Historical-Theological-Pentecostalism-Bulgaria/dp/B094L7FD9K AND from Brill’s Encyclopedia of Global Pentecostalism Online (BEGP), which also provides a comprehensive overview of early Pentecostalism at Azusa
Anonymous
WAHT else are we missing here Bishop Bernie L Wade
John Mushenhouse has cited some family sources
Philip Williams knew the niece @ one time
Link Hudson references a Bartleman book on Azusa
BOTTOM LINE there was NO 100yrs Azusa prophecy
apart from KKK and the fake court case
what is missing in this whole picture ?
Anonymous
Troy Day he’s discovering what early 20th century America was like than anything unique about Pentecostals who were less racist than most Americans of that era.
The challenge from Seymour probably played a role in turning Parham towards racism.
Anonymous
Philip Williams you mean Bishop Bernie L Wade is or what? His book is spot ON – we are talking about the non-existing 100yrs prophecy
Anonymous
Troy Day i’ll have to wait until his book is available on Amazon.
Anonymous
Troy Day the Holy Spirit
Anonymous
which one Philip Williams ? They are all sold right now
Anonymous
John Mushenhouse YES such an important ministry in the church of the last days BUT will there be any outpouring during the Tribulation ? Link Hudson
Anonymous
Troy Day a good problem for our friend Bishop Bernie L Wade to have.
Anonymous
ALSO something to think about TerryandNita Wiles Philip Williams Link Hudson Neil Steven Lawrence
The Molokans claim to have spoken in tongues and recognized it as sign for the baptism of the Holy Spirit. In the early 1900s some 2,000 Molokans (mostly of the Jumpers/Leapers) immigrated to California (via Elis Island) after receiving a young boy’s prophecy to do so in their homeland. Among them was the family of Full Gospel Business Men’s Fellowship International’s founder Demos Shakarian who tells the story in his autobiography (Demos Shakarian, The Happiest People on Earth: The Long-Awaited Personal Story of Demos Shakarian (Old Tappan, NJ: Chosen Books, 1975).
I’ve noticed that their are many “ministers” who claim to be Pentecostal, yet they are denying that the INITIAL physical evidence of the infilling/baptism of the Holy Ghost is speaking in tongues as the Spirit gives the utterance. I’m use to seeing people who aren’t Pentecostal preach against it, but if you’re a member of the mainline Pentecostal churches, small Pentecostal conferences, or independent Pentecostal churches, then why would you deny Scripture? Why would anybody of any denomination deny Scripture? I see it rather easily.
https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-molokans-claim-to-have-spoken-in-tongues/
Anonymous
and basically Neil Steven Lawrence Josh Samuel PARHAM is the reason WHY TONGUES is THE INITIAL EVIDENCE DOCTRINE IN NORTH AMERICAN PENTECOSTAL CHURCHES https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/why-tongues-the-initial-evidence-doctrine-in-north-american-pentecostal-churches/
Anonymous
Bishop Bernie L Wade our new friend Josh Samuel and member has posted this video talk to ” acknowledge Seymour’s role in popularising Pentecostalism. But he also mentions John Alexander Dowie at Zion city as another important figure in Parham’s story.” I was really NOT aware of John Alexander Dowie at Zion contributed anything major to the PENTECOSTAL teaching – I am quite more interested in talking about the GIFT ppl of Rhode Island which Link Hudson highlighted as well later in our talk I do NOT see Dowie OR Zion mentioned in our graf here – perhaps we missed it and you can help us from your timeline [that is much better fuller and just plain wonderful ]
https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/pentecostals-who-deny-the-initial-physical-evidence-of-the-infillingbaptism-of-the-holy-ghost-of-speaking-in-tongues-as-the-spirit-gives-the-utterance/
I do remember a MAJOR African website called ZION or something zion publishers perhaps, Ive linked it in the group before, who said Parham did not do a THING @ Azusa except rejecting ol Will and cursing Durham; that Bartleman was just occasional visitor @ Azusa grabbed the idea and moved to Maple and 8th ; I forget if it was Dayton or Synan who posted in the group Azusa was a completely African thing – no questions asked. Been meaning for 2 weeks now to write Dr Mel and ask about this 3rd Pentecost thing as well and keep on forgetting but maybe soon…
https://joshsamuel.com/2023/01/the-true-founder-of-pentecostalism-dr-james-r-goff-jr-on-charles-f-parham/
Anonymous
Troy Day Dowie added focus on healing. Maybe he contributed to a dictatorial independent preacher model of church culture.
Lake was at Zion. I think FF Bosworth was there. I seem to remember 590 A/G preachers had been in Zion. Maybe it was members, but I think there were preachers too.
Zion was continuationist. I think some of their churches joined the Pentecostal movement in South Africa. But not the main congregation in in Zion Ill.
Anonymous
Troy Day Remember Lake, Bosworth and thousands of others (500 or more became missionaries) were all converts, from Dowie’s cult, to the Apostolic Faith Movement.
Anonymous
Bosworth YES Dowie Pentecostal – I am not SO sure flatEarth maybe If I am remembering correctly at one point Parham, A.J. Tomlinson and Dake all vizited ZION?
Anonymous
If Tongues is the initial evidence of the Pentecostal Church true, the brother who is dumb by birth how can express any language without signs of talking language.
Anonymous
Bishop Bernie L Wade we are re-posting AND re-emailing this 2 in the next week FOR further discussion; PLS point us to the chapter you mentioned last so we can post and email it as well THANKS
Anonymous
We are not proposing that anyone is
above scrutiny. What we are saying is that no one should be ill-famed based on undocumented
or unprovable allegations. Further, any claim against a person that derives from their sworn
enemies (especially political or religious foes) should be regarded with great suspicion and
presented as such. For example: When visiting websites and the subject is Charles Parham you
get a disclaimer ostensibly accusing the Parham’s of being racists.4 Strangely, there is no such
disclaimer for William Branham who was part of the Ku Klux Klan (KKK).5 None of the Assemblies
of God’s racist hall of shame who hold the same ideology as the KKK are gaslighted in that same
manner.6 No disclaimers for them. The point is the disclaimers are a part of continued diatribe
of innuendo started by the all-white Texas Syndicate and propagated by religious hate groups
like the Assemblies of God (AG)7, the United Pentecostal Church (UPCI)8 and many others.
Christian magazines like Charisma routinely print articles allowing Charles Parham to be libeled
as “infamous” while they routinely promote others with sordid pasts.9
Scripture Supports the Idea of Innocent Until Proven Guilty
While legitimate legal processes declared the Parham’s innocent, religious bigots and
xenophobes have conducted a campaign to smear, libel and slander the Parham’s in the fugazi
Court of Public Opinion. Charles and Sarah Parham have been denied a fair defense of
unfounded charges against their family, persons, lives, and character. This author has no legal
education but regards it reasonable to give the Parham’s an opportunity for a fair-minded and
impartial defense as protected in the Bill of Rights
Anonymous
Bishop Bernie L Wade just emailed to 6k+ once again Hope everyone got it …