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Did Hagin use Kenyon for WOF?
DAN IRVING I know the teaching of EW Kenyon treated the name of Jesus this way, and that it infected Pentecostalism, resulting in the WOF movement, but I’m not aware to what extent this is true for Oneness Pentecostals. The only personal contact I had with them was one or two services attended many years ago when I was young.
SELECTED QUOTES by by Paul L. King, D.Min., Th.D.
In 1914 E.W. Kenyon, whose later teachings would make him known as the founder of the modern faith movement, wrote an article for Carrie Judd-Montgomery’s Triumphs of Faith magazine on the believer’s authority and binding and loosing.69 Before he began to err grievously, he had contacts with the Keswick movement, so it is likely he was drawing upon the principles Roberts and Penn-Lewis had mentioned two years prior, as well as Meyer’s earlier teaching. In her 1921 book The Secrets of Victory Carrie Judd-Montgomery devoted an entire chapter to binding and loosing, admitting it was a recent perception that had transformed her ministry.
69 E.W. Kenyon, “Legal Authority,” Triumphs of Faith (December 1914): 283-284.
Christian and Missionary Alliance missionary John A. MacMillan really wrote the seminal book on the believer’s authority with his series of articles based on Ephesian 1 in 1932.73 In effect, he developed the theology at that time for the recovered understanding of binding and loosing. The seventh edition of the unabridged version of Penn-Lewis and Evan Roberts’ book War on the Saints (published in 1933) makes reference to MacMillan’s articles in the Alliance Weekly.74 No doubt MacMillan was influenced by his mentor Robert Jaffray and the teaching of Penn-Lewis. His material is referred to by a wide variety of contemporary Christian leaders, including dispensationalists like Merrill Unger, evangelical publishers like Moody Press, evangelical scholars like Professor Timothy M. Warner and charismatic faith leaders like Kenneth Hagin.75 Chinese spiritual leader Watchman Nee, who was influenced by Penn-Lewis, Simpson and Andrew Murray, also taught authoritative “commanding” prayer and the power of binding and loosing in 1934.76 So we see that by the early twentieth century the teaching on binding and loosing as the believer’s authority had proliferated among evangelical leaders.
Parallel with these developments, in 1916 E. W. Kenyon, considered the father of the modern faith movement, also believed in a concept of territorial spirits. Theologian and historian Douglas Jacobsen notes, “Kenyon believed Satan divided the world into a host of separate ‘kingdoms and states, and communities’ and gave various demons control over those territorial domains. Virtually every community was assigned a territorial demon to oppress and control all forms of life in that region of the planet.”12
Further Development of the Concept by John MacMillan
C&MA missionary John MacMillan, perhaps more than any other Christian leader of his day, began to develop more of a concept of territorial influences. Some personality trait weaknesses that are usually considered characteristic of a certain nationality or ethnic group, MacMillan suggested, are “quite as likely to be a working of that undercurrent of Satanic force.”13 He posited the atheism of Russia and the unexplainable submissiveness of its people as due to an occult power, what he calls a “hellish counterfeit.”14 For most heathen religions, MacMillan explained, “Every god is confined to definite territorial limits, outside of which his influence does not extend.”15 MacMillan viewed Daniel 10 as an example of prayer activating God’s interference with “mighty intelligences” manipulating people, governments, and circumstances.
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John Mushenhouse Ken Van Horn WEve had a significant amount of discussion in this group with DR Paul L. King who has authored a dissertation research on the subject I will offer several quotes here later while searching for the proper discussion archive HOWEVER the connection with Kenyon as minimal as it may be is resulting from John A. MacMillan
Christian and Missionary Alliance missionary John A. MacMillan really wrote the seminal book on the believer’s authority with his series of articles based on Ephesian 1 in 1932.73 In effect, he developed the theology at that time for the recovered understanding of binding and loosing. The seventh edition of the unabridged version of Penn-Lewis and Evan Roberts’ book War on the Saints (published in 1933) makes reference to MacMillan’s articles in the Alliance Weekly.74 No doubt MacMillan was influenced by his mentor Robert Jaffray and the teaching of Penn-Lewis. His material is referred to by a wide variety of contemporary Christian leaders, including dispensationalists like Merrill Unger, evangelical publishers like Moody Press, evangelical scholars like Professor Timothy M. Warner and charismatic faith leaders like Kenneth Hagin.75 Chinese spiritual leader Watchman Nee, who was influenced by Penn-Lewis, Simpson and Andrew Murray, also taught authoritative “commanding” prayer and the power of binding and loosing in 1934.76 So we see that by the early twentieth century the teaching on binding and loosing as the believer’s authority had proliferated among evangelical leaders.
https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/paul-king-john-a-macmillans-teaching-regarding-the-authority-of-the-believer-and-its-impact-on-the-evangelical-pentecostal-and-charismatic-movements/
Anonymous
AND if you ever wonder AS Philip Williams about a connection between Hagin and Kenyon’s heterodoxy as claimed by D.R. McConnell’s “A Different Gospel” Paul L. King answers in GREAT detail with some 30+ comments under this discussion STARTING with what Kyle Williams and others wrong assert in the lines of
When the term “Authority of the Believer” is used, I think most Bible students think of Kenneth Hagin’s teaching, “The Believer’s Authroity,” which was a virtual plagiarization of E.W. Kenyon’s writings. Kenyon was clearly heterodox in his teachings, as was Kenneth Hagin. Therefore, I wonder if the laying of this principle (ie. of there existing an innate authority within the believer) upon Mr. MacMillan is not rather an attempt to sanitize this doctrine from its heterodox roots. As to MacMillan, the article relates he was a minister within the CMA; an organization which became fiercely anti-Pentecostal just prior to the 1920’s (a time when MacMillan was promoting this teaching.) Also, you might recall that when F.F. Bosworth rejected the classical Pentecostal teaching of Tongues as Initial Evidence (resulting in his ouster from the AG) he joined forces with the CMA, and became a devote of E.W. Kenyon. So, I think there is more than meets the eye here.
ONE does not have to be a an of Kenyon to see THAT McConnell and Hanegraff has demonized him worse than he was in his teaching. Several scholarly writings have debunked their severe castigation of Kenyon and Hagin, including my dissertation, as well Joe McIntyre (“The Real Story of Kenyon”), Bowman (“The Word-Faith Controversy”–he worked for Hanegraaff and found his severe claims unsound and unfair), Dale Simmons doctoral dissertation on Kenyon (Simmons was originally going to co-author the book with McConnell, but found McConnell’s claims unsound and as a result did his dissertation on Kenyon–he is not uncritical of Kenyon, more sound and balanced and scholarly than McConnell). BTW, Simmons, McConnell, and myself were all mentored by the same ORU professor and early critic of word of faith–Dr. Charles Farah, who wrote “From the Pinnacle of the Temple–Faith or Presumption.” Chuck Farah and I were close friends, and he encouraged me to do my dissertation on the word of faith movement. I dedicated the book to him. He said McConnell went too far and was too harsh. McConnell also fell into moral problems and left the ministry. McConnell and I talked a long time ago. He claimed he did not know about Kenyon’s non-metaphysical holiness roots, but Simmons told me otherwise.
https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/paul-king-john-a-macmillans-teaching-regarding-the-authority-of-the-believer-and-its-impact-on-the-evangelical-pentecostal-and-charismatic-movements/
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Troy Day what about Hagins heresies?
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Kyle Williams as already stated in the article by DR Paul L. King and the 3 lengthy comments I just posted :
“As a theologian and biblical exegete, I am very concerned about orthodoxy and orthopraxy. And I agree that some of Hagin’s and Kenyon’s teachings are unsound. However, not all of their teachings are unsound. I analyzed both in my dissertation. They have been accused of teaching things that they did not teach. Good honest scholarship is careful to be accurate and balanced in judgment Bosworth predates and is in a different category than Kenyon and Hagin. Although I disagree with some of Bosworths teaching, I am not sure what you would call absurd. Most of his teaching comes from AB Simpson and Andrew Murray. https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/paul-king-john-a-macmillans-teaching-regarding-the-authority-of-the-believer-and-its-impact-on-the-evangelical-pentecostal-and-charismatic-movements/
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Troy Day “a little leaven leaventh the whole lump.” Chewing the meat and spitting the bones doesn’t work if the meat is poisoned.
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Kyle Williams this generalization without actually reading any of what I just posted assures your own heterodoxy
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Troy Day I was in the movement for 10 years and was the Associate Pastor in a church that had left the IPHC to partner with faith Christian fellowship… I’ve read plenty of Hagin….
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Kyle Williams I did not post a single word by Hagin in this discussion As you can read the posts you will get to the essence – BTW what you learned in 10 yrs back in the day is NOT what WOF is today but anyhow… No excuse !!!
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Troy Day the Keswick movement was prone to error as well. Though I believe they,that is the C&MA, we’re trying to be committed Protestants, their Keswick/Higher life/Holiness tendencies made that very difficult. It’s kind of like the Church of the Nazarene. Not heretical,, but unorthodox.
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Kyle Williams so basically you never read MACMILLAN https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/john-a-macmillan-the-authority-of-the-believer/
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Troy Day how has word of faith teaching changed? Do they still believe that physical healing is promised in this life through the atonement? That Tithing is a means of lucrative gain? That Jesus went to hell and suffered as a sinner? That we are “little gods” and when “Jesus says “I Am” I can just smile and say “Yes, I Am too.”
If not; great!
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Troy Day no I haven’t but am quite familiar with Keswick Spirituality
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Kyle Williams letS stick to the research then – no need of speculations as John Mushenhouse already rightly asserted on this OP
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Troy Day agreed I know what I have read by my own research and not McConnel’s thesis. It has been years, but so much plagiarism.
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John Mushenhouse not really sure what research McConnel’s applied in his so called thesis but Paul L. King has brought it up to the next level 🙂
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Troy Day I understand the scholarship of United and how they are Johnny come lately to the 70s charismatic party. I am sure he is a good man, but I have read the primary sources. I find any further reading of kenyon/Hagin and their ilk a waste of precious time.
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John Mushenhouse what did McConnel contributed with his research though? Pure speculation Just another baptist money maker
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Troy Day wasn’t it a thesis for ORU? Did Hagin profit. A money maker from the prosperity buy a blessing crowd.
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John Mushenhouse McConnell did graduate work at Oral Roberts University in theological and historical studies – did he finish? No? What was the work on? Hagin? – doubtfully
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Troy Day Do you know for sure. I remember His book was his thesis there. Again Troy please stop as I could care less about the scholarship of others when I have read for myself. Then I look at their works and judge them by my work and not just because they added to the academic speculatory property we see way too much today. I simply study the bible simply.
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John Mushenhouse I dont know but I can list all Calvin heresies for Kyle Williams if so he wishes to lead this convo.
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Troy Day what convo?
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Kyle Williams the one you stared 4 days ago with the question
what about Hagins heresies?
and then skipped town 🙂
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Troy Day yeah, I skipped because you didn’t address that. I asked you about several of Hagins known documented teachings and you didn’t address a thing
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Kyle Williams I didnt? I addressed you 3 days ago by saying
Troy Day Author Admin
Kyle Williams letS stick to the research then – no need of speculations …
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Troy Day what speculation? I studied under a pastor who went to ORU. Pastored a church that was affiliated with FCF. I’m quite qualified to speak to Hagins theology.
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Kyle Williams about a connection between Hagin and Kenyon’s heterodoxy as claimed by D.R. McConnell’s “A Different Gospel”?
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Troy Day I happen to think it’s plain that Hagin plagiarized Kenyon several times, that’s indisputable. But let’s suppose he didn’t and Hagins teachings are entirely his own.
Aren’t they still problematic?
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Kyle Williams prove it!!! Paul L. King has researched defended and published a dissertation contrary to your last statement What say ye?
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Troy Day so you’re defending Hagin’s teachings?
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I have not much time to enter this discusion, let me give a brief review of my research, most of which is in my books “Only Believe: Examining the Origin and Development of Classic and Contemporary Word of Faith Theologies” (from Th.D. thesis through the University of South Africa) and “A Believer with Authority: The Life and Message of John A. MacMillan.” (my D.Min. dissertation at Oral Roberts University) Did Hagin Plagiarize Kenyon and MacMillan? Signs on the surface appear that he did, but several factors make the jury still out. Dr. William Artega in his book Quenching the Spirit says that Hagin had a photograph memory. I studied Hagin’s original “Authority of the Believer” from the 1960s, comparing it with MacMillan’s “The Authority of the Believer”, originally a series of articles in the Alliance Weekly, later published with more of his writings. There are sections of Hagin’s AOB that are verbatim the same as MacMillan’s AOB, without the Greek words MacMillan used–sure appears like plagiarism. However, in my research I encountered a Rhema grad w who was on the library faculty at ORU. He told me that Gordon Lindsey from Christ the Nations Institute transcribed Hagin’s sermons into his books. I listened to a cassette tape of Hagin on the authority of the believer from 1967. I found he was quoting MacMillan verbatim, reading directly from MacMillan, something that almost every preacher has done. It is very probable that Lindsey published Hagin’s sermon, but without citing MacMillan. Plagiarism by todays standard, but very common in earlier writings–I found Paul Billheimer quoted MacMilan without mentioning him, F.F. Bosworth quoted Andrew Murray without citing, etc. Regarding the issue of McConnell and Hanegraaff claming Kenyon’s teaching was New Thought, several people have debunked his claim–Joe McIntyre’s book on the True Kenyon Story; Robert Bowman, who worked with Hanegraaff, discovered Hanegraaff was in error. doing a comparison of New Thought concepts with Kenyon and Hagin–very little correspondence. Most significant, is the doctoral dissertation of Dale Simmons. Dale and Dan McConnell originally were going to co-author “A Different Gospel.” But Dale saw Dan going off in the wrong direction and making leaps of logic, and did not want to be associated with McConnells conclusions. So Dale did his own doctoral dissertation on Kenyon, and discovered, as did Bowman, very little New Thought influence on Kenyon. Most of Kenyon’s influence actually came from the classic faith leaders and Higher Life leaders, influenced by A.J. Gordon, Baptist founder of Gordon-Conwell Seminary, A.B. Simpson, and others. Yes, he was a bit of a maverick and his theology was sometimes on the edge of orthodoxy, but not New Thought. BTW, Dale Simmons, Dan McConnell, and myself were all mentored by the same godly professor, Dr. Charles Farah, an early critic of WOF, with his book “From the Pinnacle of the Temple: Faith or Presumption.” Dr. Farah said McConnell went too far. I once talked with Dan McConnell years ago and he claimed he did not know about Kenyon’s Higher Life connections, but Dale Simmons told me he tried to tell Dan but he wouldn’t hear it. Another BTW. Christian Publications, the publisher of MacMillan’s book, confronted Hagin’s publisher about the appearance of plagiarism. Hagin’s publisher rewrote his book, retitling it “The Believer’s Authority,” om which Hagin gave credit to MacMillan and said he had read his book in the 1940s,
Anonymous
probably, though neither was a worthwhile teacher.
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Steve Losee arguably the SINGLE teaching that changed Pentecostalism toward Charismatic NAR https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/paul-king-john-a-macmillans-teaching-regarding-the-authority-of-the-believer-and-its-impact-on-the-evangelical-pentecostal-and-charismatic-movements/
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no proof – just opinion- Troy I am not interested in discussing either hagin or Kenyon as both are false teaching wolves.
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John Mushenhouse the proof is in the dissertation by Paul L. King who has argued an exceptional scholarly case of research back to MacMillan and beyond It is worth establishing a timeline without the usual false accusations made by Kyle Williams Ken Van Horn https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/paul-king-john-a-macmillans-teaching-regarding-the-authority-of-the-believer-and-its-impact-on-the-evangelical-pentecostal-and-charismatic-movements/
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the dissertat6ion of man and what of his background and influence. Again Troy, I have little interests in discussing heretics.
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John Mushenhouse tagging you only because it emerged in our discussion but this this intended for all participants
WHAT did mcconnell contributed in his research? AS Paul L. King has shown ABSOLUTELY nothing
McConnell did graduate work at Oral Roberts University in theological and historical studies – did he finish? No? What was the work on? Hagin? – doubtfully
McConnell served as Senior Pastor for the Crossroads International Church in Amsterdam. – by tenancy this church one times was charismaticocostal ; their wording of DOF is strange on HSB very strange on entire sanctification
“We believe that through the indwelling Holy Spirit we can experience a progressive liberation from the bondage of Satan, the world and sin;”
arguably a very very liberal seeker church by the start of their DOF
“In the non-essentials of the Christian faith we embrace diversity. Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on disputable matters. One man’s faith allows him to eat everything”
and SECOND to none
7. We believe that
the believer possesses great authority
through Christ over the powers of spiritual darkness led by Satan, the ruler of this world. We actively exercise this authority
NO this sounds nothing like Hagin and MacMillan 🙂Kyle Williams
Anonymous
Hagin, Kenyon: false teachers.
Anonymous
No different than “using” your pastor or other authors as persons of theological influence.
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Frances Merritt how do you mean? Paul L. King has built a solid case showing all sources in this equation. It is not as simple as it sounds
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Of course he did.
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Paul L. King has proven this was NOT the case
what proof do you offer for the opposite ? James Philemon Bowers
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Troy Day, right. I don’t think “proof” is the right language for King or me. I did research on Hagin about 20 years ago that was published in a book titled, You Can Have What You Say: A Pastoral Response to the Prosperity Gospel. Hagin clearly considered Kenyon a mentor and borrowed many of his ideas from him. Just go read Kenyon. They were both drawing on New Thought philosophy. There were other influences, but there is definite dependence on Kenyon.
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James Philemon Bowers this is very interesting to me personally I think Paul L. King did it some 20yrs ago I also think some 20yrs Pentecostals in America may have forgotten much about Hagin BUT I very much would like to read your research if you PM somehow THANKS – btw I first read virtually everything Kenyon and MacMillan in the 60s to no avail 🙂
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Troy Day, to no avail?
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James Philemon Bowers I admit my conclusions were inconclusive
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Kyle Williams Brett Dobbs Evelyn Gardiner sorry about that
I try to address everything I know
for what I do not know I relay on experts like Paul L. King James Philemon Bowers
pls tag me where you asked whatever on this OP
and I will be happy to respond with ALL I know
THANKS
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Troy Day do you believe Hagin to be a theologically orthodox Christian teacher?
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Kyle Williams I dont think Calvin or Luther or 100% orthodox. Which parts of Hagin are you referring to ? He was 100% good on tongues…
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Troy Day 100% bad on Christolog?
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Kyle Williams Christology – not really sure What did he write on Christology to consider theologically? He was 100% on sola Scriptura Sola Fide Sola Gratia …
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Troy Day he believed that Jesus suffered in hell for sins.. he also accepted the Kenotic theory, that Christ did His miracles as a man
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Kyle Williams Sources for this pls – is it drawn from this book? as Paul L. King addressed it?
https://www.amazon.com/Believers-Authority-Kenneth-Hagin/dp/0892764066/
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Troy Day KENNETH HAGIN
Jesus went to hell in our place: “He tasted spiritual death for every man. He died on the Cross and took our place in spiritual death. His spirit, His inner man, went to hell in our place.”
Hagin, Kenneth E (2010-05-14). The Name of Jesus–Legacy Edition (Kindle Locations 382-383). Faith Library Publications. Kindle Edition.
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Kyle Williams This and many others are straight from Bosworth’s Healer (1948) as John Mushenhouse Paul L. King established long ago for our group. They are not attributed to Ken H Theologically per se. There was wide range of Pentecostal preachers who believed, preached and practiced this As a matter of fact this is coming back in BETHEL full strength and we discussed it here back in the day
https://www.facebook.com/groups/pentecostaltheologygroup/posts/4122352217819762/
In the Apostle’s Creed we affirm that Jesus Christ
“descended into hell.” Exactly what and where is this
hell to which he descended? Why did he have to go
there? What did he do when he arrived in hell? And
why are his descent and our confession of it central
to our faith?
https://www.baylor.edu/content/services/document.php/217609.pdf
NOW back to our OP are you saying Ken H. borrowed this from Kenyon or Bosworth or even MacMillan ?
Anonymous
Kyle Williams certainly a valid concern HOWEVER you are putting the fault on one person without taking under consideration the prevailing historical theology
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Troy Day I deny that’s what the Patristics intended by Christ’s descent into hell.
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Kyle Williams you deny WHICH part? the kenosis emptying or what?
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Troy Day yes.
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Kyle Williams So Jesus never went through KENOSIS?
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Troy Day a laying aside of His divine right? Yes. A destruction of His divine nature? God forbid
Anonymous
Kyle Williams OK so what about – John Calvin’s doctrine of ‘The Person of the Mediator’ in the polemic passages of the last edition of his Institutes of 1559, to identify his idea of kenosis or ‘the concealment of divine Majesty’.
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Troy Day concealment, not a destruction of His divine nature, in which Christ ceased to be God
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Kyle Williams IF you mean the action of hiding something or preventing it from being known this is just a wishy washy way to say the same thing – a theological copout IF you will – the Greek word is explicit
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Troy Day Jesus ceased to be God while on earth?
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Both are false teachers; possibly not even redeemed.
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were ALL your questions on this OP answered ? Kyle Williams
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Troy Day I’ll concede that he may not have plagiarized Kenyon in the strict sense. However you seem to be avoiding the swelling elephant in the room.
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Kyle Williams absolutely NOT I addressed all your question in full. Referred you to 2 topics you mentioned – kenosis and spiritual death and proceeded with discussion there as well YOU stopped responding when I began citing Luther and Calvin, and you appear not knowing enough about modern kenosis kenossers 🙂 like Bill Johnson from Bethel – but none of the theological terms you brought up emerge from Ken H per this here OP discussion …
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Troy Day well bill Johnson is wildly heretical.
Did Jesus cease to be God in His earthly ministry?
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Kyle Williams bill Johnson seems to claim that Do you have a quote from Ken H where he says the same and you can prove he got it from Kenyon – this is interesting trail DO you not believe Ken was healed in his young age by the LORD which affirmed his call to the ministry ?
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Troy Day no I don’t believe that Hagin was confirmed in his call to ministry by the Lord. Also I don’t have the quote off hand but you know he taught kenosis and the little gods heresy
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Kyle Williams what about his documented healing ?
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Troy Day the Lord makes the rain to fall on the just and the unjust.
What about Todd Whites “documented healings”?
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Kyle Williams OK so you ignore my question and deflect to another name just for argumentS sake – I challenge you to find me e direct quote where Ken H says little gods – I will wait for you on this one and shall NOT leave it alone
HOWEVER, your reference to the psalm 82 elohimS is very valid I just yesterday discussed it under the Heiser topic with Ricky Grimsley who just dont seem to get HOW heretical it is
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Troy Day Kenneth Hagin: “You are as much the incarnation of God as Jesus Christ was. Everyman who has been born again is an incarnation.”
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Kyle Williams yap You just googled that 🙂 that is in fact the ONLY reference you will find and refers to elohimS from ps 82 you will NOT find little gods with Ken H – you are simply confusing and conflating the topic with Benn Hinn and Kenneth Copelands teachings which is OK in some sense – BTW per OP Ken H did NOT get this from Kenyon 🙂 I will address psalm 82 under the proper OP for Ricky Grimsley to finally get
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Publication: “Word of Faith” 1980, page 14
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Troy Day he wrote it in a book, of course I Googled it because it’s been along time since I read his stuff, I actually don’t own any of it anymore, I left all my heretical books at the FCF church when I removed my family from that fellowship
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Kyle Williams empty words if you ask me; You will NOT find him using the term little gods Sorry to inform you 🙂
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Troy Day he says that every regenerate man is as much an incarnation of God as was Jesus Christ. The scriptures do not teach this.
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Kyle Williams are you saying the SPIRIT does NOT enter every saved man? Is our nature then not changed after the divine example? Are you not NEW creatures – of course we are IN what sense are we NEW creatures except in the divine adoption? You are speaking against things we know for a fact Luther and Calvin believed
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Troy Day New creation, yes. As much an incarnation of God (which means to be God in the flesh) as was Jesus Christ? God forbid! It is heresy, Troy. And I’m astounded that your defending it. Luther, nor Calvin, nor Zwingli, nor Knox, nor Owen, nor Baxter, nor Davies, nor Spurgeon ever taught this. No orthodox Christian would ever defend such an errant and blasphemous supposition.
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Kyle Williams I addressed this under Heiser’s multiple elohims topic which I too reject as non-biblical and heretical
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Troy Day well good, you should reject Hagins error as well
Anonymous
Yes, Dad Hagin learned from Kenyon’s books. Also from Smith Wigglesworth and Cornelia Nuzum.