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Discerning the Trump Presidency A Theological Reflection on False Prophecy
Troy Day
God speed William DeArteaga
William DeArteaga
thank you
Salvatore Tropea Sr
Not knowing the writer and not having read the book, the title seems to exposes the mindset of the author on the subject – “A Theological Perspective on False Prophecy!” We know a lot more about President Trump that should elate all Christians now than before we had preconceived notions of his wisdom and fairness. (There, I am giving my opinion of our most historical president ever, at least since Abraham Lincoln!) If we are judging prophecies, then the appraiser needs similar scrutiny to see his intent in the discussion. A great source on our president is “Inside The Trump White House” by Doug Wead who is brilliant evangelical Christian and served under President Bush, the First. There also is an excellent video circulating on FB that features a serious and honest discussion favorable to President Trump between Rev. James Robison and our former A/G Superintendent George O. Wood. If Christians screw up reelecting our most faith friendly president in November, elucidation on the “Theological Perspective on False Prophecy” on America will be of little consequence!
Troy Day
This book is not just about President Trump. It is about every empire in history that has tried to usurp and use the Church in its political agenda. It is about the Last Days bewitching silencing of the true prophetic voices and replacing them with those of the false prophets. The author, William De Arteaga, Ph.D. is no small-time scholar. His best-selling book “Quenching the Spirit” has crossed many denominational boundaries transcending into the Biblical Charismata and advancing the work of the Kingdom. His historical essay on Agnes Sanford speaks to the women ministering in Pentecost opposing the cross-gender agenda. The recent publication on The Public Prayer Station proposes a new open paradigm for Christian ministry in the midst of physical and spiritual pandemic. And the book on Graceful Aging completes his public theological address to all generations touched and transformed by the eternal Spirit of God.
In a sense, this book is long overdue as it covers a much-needed research starting with the early forming of the historic evangelical vote prior to the 2016 presidential elections.
Troy Day
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/31/us/politics/trump-tweet-democracy.html
Troy Day
De Arteaga discusses the very interesting example of David Wilkerson’s false prophecy, The Vision. De Arteaga does not doubt that Wilkerson was a very anointed minister who bore great fruit for the Kingdom; however, his apocalyptic predictions for 1973-1983 largely proved false. They were based upon “the fears, prejudices, and belief structures of his own subconscious mind and those in his immediate faith community” (76).
De Arteaga makes a strong case that many of the Trump prophecies fit the same pattern. Many of Mark Taylor’s prophecies, for instance, demonize Democratic leaders and unambiguously paint them as evil. They cater to right-wing fears, such as Obama’s intent to strip the people of their guns or run for a third term in violation of the Constitution. And some have proven false with time – for example, the prophecy that Obama would be forcibly stripped of his office instead of leaving gracefully with dignity. De Arteaga’s analysis of the Taylor prophecies is fascinating, and I wish that he had devoted more attention to the other prophets that foretold Trump’s presidency.
In the end, De Arteaga comes to a very nuanced conclusion. He neither says that all of the Trump prophecies were categorically false, nor does he say that they were all true. Rather, he concludes that they may have contained true revelation from the Lord, which got diluted with soulish concerns and wishes. The kernel of truth may have been what led charismatic leaders to embrace the prophecies, and Trump. Nonetheless, De Arteaga chastises charismatic leaders for what has been, for the most part, uncritical support of the President. Even if Trump is anointed by God for a special purpose, the Bible gives precedent for prophets speaking truth to anointed kings. For instance, David was the Lord’s anointed, and yet the prophet Nathan confronted his sin. De Arteaga urges prophetic leaders to fulfill this aspect of their function. Neil Steven Lawrence Ray E Horton Jon Ruthven Robert Cox RichardAnna Boyce
Ray E Horton
Thanks for that summary. Not having read the book, it’s good to see the more balanced perspective that your report in this review.
Salvatore Tropea Sr
If Brother David Wilkerson is one of DeArteaga’s examples of a false prophet then I would not read his books! I watched Teem Challenge grow out of David Wilkerson’s Vision for the lost and I know his brother Don! 85% + evangelicals support our President as the most pro-faith and family proponent ever and your author friend apparently represents the fringe element of believers on this subject. You only confirmed that the Title of his books embodies his politics and not Spiritual discernment!
Ray E Horton
Amen!
Salvatore Tropea Sr
Ray E Horton Thank you Ray. Are you Dr. Stanley Hortons son? I heard him at the AG Potomac District camp meeting in the 1960’s and he friended me on Facebook! A spiritual gem he was, full of wisdom from the Holy Ghost and a friend of Israel! God bless!
Doyle Rogers
i will vote for Trump……………., not because of prophecy, whether false prophecies or true ( as judged by some here) I will vote for him because I refuse to support or enable aid and abe the murder of the unborn whose blood the democrats are standing knee-deep..
Ray E Horton
Salvatore Tropea Sr No relation with Stanley? Is he still alive. Excellent author. I am currently doing a study through his commentary on Acts book.
Salvatore Tropea Sr
Ray E Horton He is with the Lord! Acts must be a great study!
Ray E Horton
Salvatore Tropea Sr yes indeed!
Troy Day
evangelical support is ALL time low now after the tweet threatening our FREEDOM to vote on Nov 3 2020 Ray E Horton is Lenny gonna comment on the book?
Ray E Horton
Troy Day I doubt there is any truth to that concerning Evangelical support
Troy Day
Salvatore Tropea Sr it is a FINE book The WILKERSON prophecy was NEVER proven to be given by Wilkerson It was said to be a private prophecy with private interpretation Pls give us a SOURCE where Wilkerson actually gave such prophecy because he himself NEVER did Thank you
Salvatore Tropea Sr
I commend you Brother Troy for all the work you do on this insightful page. Since the Book “The Vision” was published when Brother David was still alive, I believe it was authentic. 9-11 actually replicated much of his vision from 1986. NY and CA certainly are storing up much more judgment that probably will be enforced after The Rapture.
Troy Day
Salvatore Tropea Sr Thank you for clarifying I was referring to his FALSE prophecy described to him William DeArteaga clarifies Wilklersons incredible prophetic diligence BUT exposes prophecies about Trump and pandemic Wilkerson never had but were just recently falsely ascribed to him after his death You should read the book or maybe Dr Bill will allow us to share here the chapter about Wilkerson so you can read it
David Tripp
David Wilkerson was a true man of God i have read all of books i see nothing wrong with them .very much God inspired
Troy Day
David Tripp this discussion is not about David Wilkerson The book looks at a prophecy Wilkerson never gave but was falsely ascribed to him after his death
William DeArteaga
Troy Day I have the copywrite on the book, you my lift and publish the entire Wilkerson sub cahpter is you wish. The refrences are very clear and his book “The Vision’ is still vailabl i used book sites.
David Tripp
Ok i understand i was saved in David Wilkerson,s Ministry The Cross and The switchblade 1969