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Peter A Vandever | PentecostalTheology.com
I just finished my writing of the draft for the new e-book. This one will cause me some friends đ
John Kissinger [08/15/2015 8:35 AM]
Have you read their book on #PRAYER – from this yrs conference?
Peter A Vandever [08/15/2015 8:37 AM]
I havent….. I love Mike but I doubt I agree with much of what it says. Prayer without evangelism will kill you spiritually.
John Kissinger [08/15/2015 8:38 AM]
yeah – there’s lots of controversy there; but the book on prayer is worth. We had a good discussion about it if you look in the archives http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/new-book-on-prayer/
Peter A Vandever [08/15/2015 8:43 AM]
I was there in the early days…. IHOP lost the way by getting too strong on end times.
John Kissinger [08/15/2015 9:07 AM]
do you mean eschatologically?
Peter A Vandever [08/15/2015 9:08 AM]
IHOP has turned into an eternal bible study on Revelation. Mike also believes you are demonized if you believe in the Pre-trib rapture.
John Kissinger [08/15/2015 9:09 AM]
What do they believe then?
Peter A Vandever [08/15/2015 9:11 AM]
They are completely post trib all the way and think only they are right.
John Kissinger [08/15/2015 9:12 AM]
post-trib or post-mil – what exactly do they believe?
Peter A Vandever [08/15/2015 9:14 AM]
POST all the way. Sent you a message.
John Kissinger [08/15/2015 11:26 AM]
cause you or cost you in the title?
Peter A Vandever [08/15/2015 11:40 AM]
LOL
John Kissinger [08/18/2015 11:44 AM]
is it published yet?
John Kissinger [08/18/2015 11:44 AM]
is it published yet?
Peter A Vandever [08/18/2015 11:50 AM]
I am editing it now. I spend you a chapter of it the other day.
Peter A Vandever [08/18/2015 11:50 AM]
I am editing it now. I spend you a chapter of it the other day.
John Kissinger [08/18/2015 11:57 AM]
Yes. We need to develop a brief printed publication with papers from authors in the group. What ya’ll think?
John Kissinger [08/18/2015 11:57 AM]
Yes. We need to develop a brief printed publication with papers from authors in the group. What ya’ll think?
Pentecostal Theology [08/18/2015 12:00 PM]
that would be GREAT
Pentecostal Theology [08/18/2015 12:00 PM]
that would be GREAT
Peter A Vandever [08/18/2015 12:01 PM]
pricy to do
Peter A Vandever [08/18/2015 12:01 PM]
pricy to do
John Kissinger [08/18/2015 12:29 PM]
not really – Amazon has great options for that…
John Kissinger [08/18/2015 12:29 PM]
not really – Amazon has great options for that…
Timothy Carter [08/20/2015 7:28 AM]
Peter A Vandever Have you ever been published before? I have. It is thrilling – Right?
Peter A Vandever [08/20/2015 9:12 AM]
I have two books done now. http://www.amazon.com/Spread-FIRE-Peter-Vandever-ebook/dp/B008L5YV9C/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1440076352&sr=8-2&keywords=peter+vandever
Timothy Carter [08/20/2015 10:18 AM]
Cool cover photo. Any feedback yet?
Anonymous
RT Peter Vandever For all those who have been part of houses of prayer because of the influence of IHOPKC, now is not the time to leave the house of prayer because of discouragement or disillusionment. It’s the time to run TO the house of prayer! https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/why-i-left-ihop-church/
Anonymous
https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/mike-bickle-of-ihop-just-endorsed-ted-cruz/
Anonymous
https://www.kctv5.com/2023/10/30/leader-church-headquartered-kansas-city-investigated-sexual-immorality/
Anonymous
https://www.kctv5.com/2023/10/30/leader-church-headquartered-kansas-city-investigated-sexual-immorality/
Anonymous
We are heartbroken to share that we have recently become aware of serious allegations including sexual immorality directed against Mike Bickle, the founder of IHOPKC. Our leadership team takes these allegations very seriously and we are laboring for truth, light, redemption, and righteousness.
IHOPKC Executive Leadership Team Statement https://fox4kc.com/news/ihop-founder-investigated-for-sexual-immorality/
Anonymous
Troy Day thatâs a shame
Anonymous
Brett Dobbs ???
Anonymous
Dwayne Roberts and Brian Kim, former IHOPKC Executive Leadership Team Members and Board Members and Wes Martin, Former Forerunner Christian Fellowship Pastor and IHOPU employee released a statement concerning claims made against Bickle. The statement was posted on the website of the FlorianĂłpolis House of Prayer. It is a Brazilian church Roberts founded in 2013.
In the statement released Saturday, the three former church leaders said they informed current IHOPKC leadership about âserious allegationsâ involving Bickle. They claim the accusations against Bickle are sexual in nature. They claim Bickle sexually abused church members for decades which are credible based on the âcollective and corroborating testimonyâ of several alleged victims.
When these allegations were brought to our attention, we were shocked. We could never have imagined that inappropriate conduct with women as something we would ever need to be concerned about. The allegations seemed out of character to the man we thought we knew, but they were so serious we could not ignore them.â
Former IHOPKC Executive Leadership Team
Anonymous
âAs difficult as this is for many, we are trusting in Jesusâ wise and good leadership to help and strengthen us as we anchor our hope in Him,â IHOPâs leadership team said in a statement. IHOPKC opened in Grandview in 1999.
It also operates International House of Prayer University. People from around the world have come to the Kansas City-area to attend IHOPU. The organization says itâs mission is to train leaders through prayer and worship to prepare them for the return of Jesus.
Anonymous
I just finished my writing of the draft for the new e-book. This one will cause me some friends đ
Anonymous
https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/ihop-kc-has-moved-to-a-post-trib-eschatology/
Anonymous
Troy Day – IHOP has always been post-trib. I did a 4 month internship at the base in KC.
Anonymous
Ben Bottke so did Peter Vandever did you ever meet him? What is going on with this church right very now?
Anonymous
Troy Day – can you respond to my message to you on Facebook messenger? Weâre not Facebook friends so youâll have to find my message. We can become Facebook friends if you like.
Anonymous
Troy Day – it looks like I canât send you a friend request. I can only follow you.
Anonymous
Troy Day – What would you like to know about IHOP? Maybe you can send me some articles, posts, videos, etc. to show me what youâve seen.
Anonymous
Troy Day – I was really into IHOP for a while. From the summer of 2006 to around 2011. Iâve listened to a lot of their teachings. I was a part of getting a house of prayer off the ground here where I live. We tried to model it after IHOP. We used their model of worship & prayer they call harp & bowl and followed their 2 part manual for houses of prayer.
Anonymous
Philip Williams Jesuit or freemason?
Anonymous
Troy Day Iâm not a Bicklite!
Anonymous
Philip Williams you regret it as much as Peter Vandever ?
Anonymous
Troy Day say it ainât so, Joe!
Anonymous
Yes, those who pursue biblical truth will leave groups like IHOP II Tim. 2:15.
Anonymous
Duane L Burgess what do you know about all this Ben Bottke ?
Anonymous
https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/dictators-at-who-aim-to-begin-installing-a-one-world-government/
Anonymous
Jeffrey Snyder it is hard to follow what you said because you are all over the place
is this information of yours current or is it just heresay heresy or what?
Jeffrey Snyder
I remember (which in itself is a miracle of God) reading something similar when they were discussing a teaching using Songs of Solomon that Jesus is the woman/wifeâs boyfriend. The 24hr prayer- a good work. The cultish undergirding a sorrowful outcome.
Anonymous
it is hard to follow what Peter Vandever said because he seems upset now with them –
is this information of yours current or is it just heresay heresy or what?
I was part of the IHOP movement from 1999-2004 (off and on) and this is what I saw from an insiderâs point of view.
https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/i-was-part-of-the-ihop-movement-from-1999-2004/
5yrs over 20+ years ago does NOT bring ANY current perspective IMHO
Anonymous
Philip Williams it is hard for Duane L Burgess to follow what you said because you are all over the place is this information of yours current or is it just heresay heresy or what? are you ONLY talking about BETHEL or the whole movement including ihopKC https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/bethel-redding-is-a-very-cool-church/
Anonymous
Philip Williams since you are ignoring the real question here posting on minutia items I Will straight forward and directly address it for Duane L Burgess Peter Vandever and Ben Bottke NOT sure if Link Hudson has enough knowledge
Primary issues with IHOP: Heresy (New Apostolic Reformation â NAR), false teachers/heretics, women âpastorsâ/preachers
From my article Godâs Not Like âWhatever, Dude,â About The Way Heâs Approached in Worship:âŚ
Bethel âChurchâ in Redding, California, and IHOP are, functionally, ground zero for the New Apostolic Reformation heresy. Heresy. Not, âThey just have a more expressive, contemporary style of worship,â. Not, âItâs a secondary theological issue we can agree to disagree on.â Heresy. Denial of the deity of Christ. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Demonstrably false prophecy that the head of IHOP, Mike Bickle, has publicly rejoiced in (He estimates that 80% of IHOPâs âpropheciesâ are false.) And thatâs just the tip of our metaphorical ice berg when it comes to the NAR.
IHOP and Bethel are, by biblical definition, not Christian organizations and certainly not Christian churches. They are pagan centers of idol worship just as much as the Old Testament temples of Baal were. The only difference is that, instead of being creative and coming up with their own name for their god, theyâve stolen the name Jesus and blasphemously baptized their idol with that moniker.
https://michellelesley.com/2020/07/24/the-international-house-of-prayer-ihop-mike-bickle/
Anonymous
Duane L Burgess Philip Williams Peter Vandever Ben Bottke Terry Wiles https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/bethel-church-glory-cloud-and-gold-glitter-investigation-and-responce/
Anonymous
it is hard to follow what Link Hudson said about pos-trib because he seems upset now with them – is this information of yours current or is it just heresay heresy or what? Does this mean he approves of the whole praxis @ ihopKC or just post-mil What about the approval of NAR leadership with Ted Cruse
Here is MY take on it – #IHOP-KC has moved to a post-trib eschatology
Finally able to locate in my notes collections, the handout from #IHOP-KC and confirm what Peter A Vandever was talking about their move toward post-trib eschatology Rick Wadholm Jr
#IHOP-KC has moved to a post-trib eschatology Finally able to locate in my notes collections, the handout from #IHOP-KC and confirm what Peter A Vandever was talking about their move toward post-trib eschatology Rick Wadholm Jr https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/ihop-kc-has-moved-to-a-post-trib-eschatology/
Anonymous
Ben Bottke my brother – I am not certain what you are saying or doing? SO o follow what you said because you are all over the place is this information of yours current or is it just heresay heresy or what? are you ONLY talking about KC ??!? or the whole movement including ihop church and Bethel?
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I was really into IHOP for a while. From the summer of 2006 to around 2011. Iâve listened to a lot of their teachings. I was a part of getting a house of prayer off the ground here where I live. We tried to model it after IHOP. We used their model of worship & prayer they call harp & bowl and followed their 2 part manual for houses of prayer.
manual for houses of prayer IS the same thing Terry Wiles released from the BROWNSVILLE REVIVAL that Peter Vandever Gary Micheal Epping had never seen before though they claim acquaintance for some times. Means they were just visitors and not participants. Were you JUST a visitor too? https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/brownsville-revival-deliverance-nar-manuals/
Anonymous
Ben Bottke my original question was about you knowing and/or supporting or disregarding THAT #IHOP-KC has moved to a post-trib eschatology https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/ihop-kc-has-moved-to-a-post-trib-eschatology/
Anonymous
Ben Bottke my next question was WHEN MIKE #BICKLE OF #IHOP JUST ENDORSED #TEDCRUZ Were there for that one? Were you in full support of it AND Israel at the same time/ https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/mike-bickle-of-ihop-just-endorsed-ted-cruz/
Anonymous
Troy Day A formerly AG pastor at a church associated with an IHOP in Lawrenceville GA as of about 4 or 5 years ago said they believed in post trib or historical premillenialism.
Anonymous
Link Hudson old and unconfirmed info as usual of course Ben Bottke do you have insider knowledge when they changed their Trib stance ?
Anonymous
Troy Day No, I had a conversation with a pastor at Newbridge, now Gateway in Lawrenceville some time around 2018 or 2019.
Anonymous
Link Hudson IHOPs move to post-trib/post-mil was cir. SEPT 2016 https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/ihop-kc-has-moved-to-a-post-trib-eschatology/
Anonymous
Troy Day good for them.
Anonymous
Link Hudson yeah NOT so good as we can see right about now !
Anonymous
Troy Day troubles they are going through aren’t because of post-trib eschatology.
Anonymous
Troy Day – I started listening to IHOP teachings in 2006. Since then they have been very strongly post-trib. And they are very focused on end times. They used to preach on it at least 1x/week. Their weekend services were:
Friday: Intimacy
Saturday: End-times
Sunday: Various subjects
(Friday & Saturdays subjects might be flipped around. Itâs been a while.)
Where did you get the information from that said IHOP recently changed their position to be post-trib?
Anonymous
Ben Bottke đ
Anonymous
Link Hudson guessUdono
Anonymous
Troy Day Don’t know what? I saw a Michael Brown video on something a couple of days ago, first I’d heard of it, but it has nothing to do with pretrib.
I don’t agree with flippant attitudes towards false prophecy, but that doesn’t have much to do with eschatology. I’m sure I can think of pretribbers who had affairs or worse.
Anonymous
Link Hudson what going through as related to their post-trib eschatology
Anonymous
Ben Bottke HOW many women total have come out ? Peter Vandever knows 2mo International House of Prayer Kansas City founder Mike Bickle has agreed to step away from public ministry as he is investigated SAYS misconduct by multiple women Peter Vandever so have been claims toward many other TV evangelists – To be clear, the allegations made about Mike Bickleâs misconduct were sexual in nature where the marriage covenant was not honored. Furthermore, the allegations made also reveal that Mike Bickle used his position of spiritual authority over the victims to manipulate them https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/review?uri=urn%3Aaaid%3Ascds%3AUS%3Ad5880c52-be86-3dd3-8aa6-ec71974efceb
Anonymous
Troy Day – oh, I wasnât aware of the allegations against Mike Bickle. Why didnât you tell me that yesterday when you were talking with me?
Anonymous
Troy Day – could you send me any other videos, articles, documents, etc. about the situation?
Anonymous
Ben Bottke all in the comments here I do know Peter Vandever know a couple but not allowed to say Did you not meet any of the individuals involved while you were studying there or if you were ever present?
Anonymous
Terry Wiles your book and I would like to offer All PERRY Stone Teachings on the TRIBULATOIN to correct the wrong views Gary Micheal Epping Ben Bottke have received from iHOP Peter Vandever has changed to pre-trib while Ricky Grimsley is still way out there on the next asteroid 3rd rock for the moon … #FAKEblueBeam https://www.pentecostaltheology.com/all-perry-stone-teachings-on-the-tribulation/
Anonymous
Another matter related to full disclosure is my personal relationship with Mike Bickle. Some will insist that because of our friendship Iâm incapable of providing you with an objective perspective and that I will gloss over significant problems at IHOP. I doubt if there is anything I can say that will put to rest the fears of some critics. So I wonât try. What I will say is that Mike is one of my dearest, most beloved, and deeply cherished friends. That doesnât mean he and I agree on everything, as youâll shortly see. But it does mean that I know him better than most. My wife and I were part of a small accountability group for nearly seven years that included Mike, his wife Diane, and two other couples who were part of the senior leadership of the church before IHOP was launched. There isnât much we donât know about each other, our children, and our struggles. When we moved back to Kansas City in 2004, I was not officially a part of IHOP, but both my wife and I were regularly present for the prayer meetings, conferences, and other gatherings. When Mikeâs brother, Pat, went to be with the Lord in 2007, Mike gave me the privilege and honor of officiating his funeral service. https://www.samstorms.org/enjoying-god-blog/post/what-should-we-think-about-the-international-house-of-prayer–ihop–and-mike-bickle-part-one
Anonymous
@sam Storms have chosen to reflect A POINT-BY-POINT RESPONSE TO THE FILM, âCESSATIONISTâ â PART FIFTEEN – #15 instead of addressing the ihop FIRE – prior to the scandal Sam wrote in pre-pandemix 2019 From 1993-2000 I served as Mike Bickleâs associate pastor at what was first Metro Vineyard Fellowship in Kansas City, later called Metro Christian Fellowship. I also served as the President of our full-time Bible school, Grace Training Center. I was present when the 24-7 prayer movement first began. In May of 1999, we initially met at midnight on Friday and prayed and worshipped until 8:00 a.m. on Saturday. In September of 1999, the House of Prayer moved to 24 hours of prayer, 7 days a week. I was on its Board of Directors when the House of Prayer began, but resigned about a year later after having moved to Wheaton, Illinois, where I taught theology at Wheaton College from 2000-2004. My resignation was entirely due to the logistical challenges of serving actively on a board while living a considerable distance from the ministry. https://www.samstorms.org/enjoying-god-blog/post/what-should-we-think-about-the-international-house-of-prayer–ihop–and-mike-bickle-part-one
Anonymous
Alleged Victim 1
According to the Complaint Group this victim claims Bickle âemotionally pursued and âprophetically manipulatedâ her. The relationship happened more than 25 years ago, prior to IHOPKCâs founding. The relationship was not sexual, according to the information IHOPKC said it received.
Alleged Victim 2
IHOPKC said it was able to at least partially confirm this victimâs claims against Bickle. The allegation is form 26 years ago, also before IHOPKC was founded. The allegations include physical contact between Bickle and the alleged victim. While it is also insinuated that a crime was involved in the relationship, IHOPKC said it has not been able to confirm that claim.
Alleged Victim 3
The information IHOPKC provided shows this victim claimed Bickle pursued her emotionally and by âprophetic manipulationâ from 2013-2018. The woman then issued a public statement on Nov. 2, 2023, that she was not a victim of Bickleâs.
Alleged Victim 4
While the Complaint Group included this woman as a victim of Bickleâs she refuted the claims. She also said she did not want to be contacted about the issue again, according to IHOPKC.
Alleged Victim 5
This woman also refuted claims that she had been sexually and spiritually abused by Bickle. IHOPKC said its attorney spoke to the woman and she continued to deny any misconduct by Bickle.
Alleged Victim 6
IHOPKCâs leadership said a woman emailed after hearing that her name was being used in the allegations against Bickle. She allegedly said that all rumors involving her and Bickle were not true and denied any form of abuse or inappropriate relationship.
IHOPKC stated in the report that during the investigation âit became apparent that the Complaint Group did not have permission to include at least four of the women in their list of alleged victims.â
Anonymous
You mean International House of Pancakes
Anonymous
Evelyn Gardiner you can ask Peter Vandever
Anonymous
IHOP is theologically confused.
Anonymous
Duane L Burgess on which points would you say? Been trying to discuss this for years with Link Hudson Peter Vandever especially ON NAR eschatology once iHOP supported Ted Cruse for office OF course the silly joke by Evelyn Gardiner is that Ted iHop and M Brown do flip the pancake on theological issues
Anonymous
Troy Day I know iHOP teaches a post-mil or historical premil type eschatology, probably doesn’t emphasize it much, believes in salvation by faith, the ministry of peophets, but I don’t know enough detail about them that they have a common theology across their movement other than those and standard evangelical theology. I have never been to their KC IHOP.
Anonymous
Link Hudson you know for a FACT ihop teaches post-mil ?
Anonymous
Troy Day I read it online and a pastor from a large church in Atlanta that is affiliated with iHOP said they believed in post trib or historical premil.
But I do not know that it is a requirement to be in one or be a leader.
Anonymous
Link Hudson where online? you are now saying
post trib or historical premil
Which is not THE same as post-mil you stated in your previous post Perhaps a theological mismatch for you ???
Anonymous
Troy Day read it a while back. I think I read a link from this forum. it seems like you might have been on that thread. I remember posting that it looks like somebody has been reading the Bible.
Anonymous
Link Hudson read WHAT while back and where ???
Check your comments cause you are saying
3 different things in 2 comments !!!!
Are you saying iHOP is POST-MIL or not?
Anonymous
BTW Link Hudson I KNOW in your first statement
and I read it somewhere online long ago
are really 2 different thing – for the most part when you post I have learned that you dont really know much about
Anonymous
Troy Day I believe the leadership in KC MO is and one of the pastor involved with a church that was affiliated with IHOP in Atlanta said that they were post-trib or historical premillennialist but I do not know that it is some sort of a test to be a minister with them but certainly not to attend or participate.
But if you want to look it up look it up yourselves because I read somewhere online long ago it is about all you’re going to get from me on this topic at least anytime soon.
But you can search The forum and probably your own posts on the very topic. Not that Facebook’s tools are particularly helpful when it comes to searching a group.
Anonymous
Link Hudson If you are trying to understand the issues that have become the scandals around Mike Bickle and the International House of Prayer, you are joining many people with more questions than answers. There has been no shortage of dishonesty from the Executive Leadership Team (ELT) that operates basically as congregational elders.
As many know, I have been around IHOP before there was an IHOP and I have been on âmissionary staffâ since coming back in 2020. I know many of the people involved on both sides of this and I was part of IHOPKC when some of these things were going on. When I found out about the sin, the âdots began to connect.â On October 27th, (day I found out) the Holy Spirit spoke to me about four things that must happen prophetically. https://www.pentecostalnews.com/2024/01/07/understanding-ihopkc-crisis/
Anonymous
Troy Day btw, Bickle confessed he had sinned 20+ years ago but denied more recent allegations.
Did God tell you he lied about a prophetic dream?
Anonymous
Link Hudson Bickle confessed NOTHING to anything as Peter Vandever showed already. Our information in the group including this OP comes from Peter alone who was in a meeting with Bickle when we discussed their cameras and LIVE stream of all 24-hr prayer meetings; which meetings are now in question as to the mans place of transgression…. Peter then explained he wasnt in a meeting with Mike, he was in a meeting with a lot of ppl where Mike was prophesying over them into the new year 2022 perhaps it was … Additional information comes from Nelson Banuchi Philip Williams last one declaring Bethel and IHOP open heresy and somewhat a cult – not sure I was gonna poll Terry Wiles and other denominational specialists on the RESTORATION post today https://www.facebook.com/groups/pentecostaltheologygroup/posts/7073748322680122/
Anonymous
Troy Day IHOP comes out of Latter Rain which believe in a great end time revival, the very opposite of the apostate endtime church of Dispensationalism.
Anonymous
HOWEVER Duane L Burgess I suspect Peter Vandever left iHOP not merely on theological issues Philip Williams may have the clue too !
Anonymous
Duane L Burgess you are up and posting on FB @ 2am?
Whats up ? – is everything ok there
Troy Day
THANK YOU Dale M. Coulter THIS @highlight Ben Bottke Terry Wiles Peter Vandever Philip Williams Link Hudson John Mushenhouse Duane L Burgess Isara Mo Junior Beasley Jeffrey Snyder ==> https://julieroys.com/opinion-jack-deere-reevaluates-legacy-mike-bickle-kc-prophets-calls-for-investigation/?fbclid=IwAR1g6j-RW14Nxbwfg0xx3evAsB1IFDqMLKqr-qAm9h-senaExycVWvT_4sc