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Leah M Grier-Lee | PentecostalTheology.com
hello Everybody ! it’s me again ! lol I am moving on to another subject now I want to share in my Senior Class (senior adults) the Jehovistic Titles. Can anyone recommend a book/publication on them ? thanks for your help.
John Kissinger [07/11/2015 9:25 PM]
that would be Rick Wadholm Jr on the “the Jehovistic Titles”
John Kissinger [07/11/2015 9:30 PM]
Apparently there’s also a book (from a different author) on the topic http://www.amazon.com/Thousand-Jehovistic-attributes-Christian-dogmatics/dp/1236298918
John Kissinger [07/11/2015 9:30 PM]
and a shorter article on the “The Jehovistic Titles of Christ” http://www.biblemaster.com/studies/study.asp?study_id=368
Leah M Grier-Lee [07/19/2015 2:58 AM]
Ty so much !
John Kissinger [07/20/2015 6:43 AM]
http://www.pentecostaltheology.com/the-largest-and-most-complete-bibliography-on-the-pentecostal-charismatic-movement/
Leah M Grier-Lee [07/22/2015 12:53 AM]
so far i have been able to get my hands on 2 books; Power in the Names of God by Tony Evans. It is good but does not cover all the names. The other The Names of God by Andrew Jukes. This book is very good. This man was way before his time. His personal notes have been formed this book. He too does not cover all the names. Both worth purchasing !
Betty Gilliam [08/09/2015 3:55 PM]
The Names of God by Andrew Jukes. Pretty detailed. On Amazon $14
Varnel Watson
Speak to us Tom Steele oh speak to us
Tom Steele
Well, we can start by realizing that “Jehovah” is a fake name. It comes from Christians who were ignorant of a Jewish tradition that started where the vowel characters for the descriptive titles “Adonai” and “Elohim” were inserted into the Tetragrammaton (YHWH). This was done because of the Jewish tradition that God’s name is too holy to speak and was only spoken once a year by the High Priest on the Day of Atonement. I’m not going to sit here and type out the whole history of this, there is plenty of information online about it.
The correct name for God is not conclusively known, but all indications are that it is probably pronounced “Yah-Weh”. This would mean that the “correct” compound names of God would be more like:
Yahweh Yireh
Yahweh Nissi
Yahweh Rapha
Etc.
Varnel Watson
you mean YHWH is not a Jewish thing? Come on!
Tom Steele
Tell me… what in the Bible is not a Jewish thing? The Bible is a Hebrew Book written by Hebrew people about the Hebrew God and the Hebrew Messiah while they lived in Hebrew culture. There is absolutely NO Christian influence in the Bible because Christianity didn’t even exist until long after everything in the Bible was written.
Varnel Watson
I was specifically asking about YHWH based on your statement above. Most of your recent statements surprise me being a student of Rod Parsley I am not too sure where it is coming from
Tom Steele
YHWH is the known and accepted form of the Tetragrammaton as it is transliterated into English characters. I don’t see what the issue is and I don’t see how studying under Rod Parsley has anything to do with that. Besides, I am pretty sure I have seen it, in that form, referenced in materials he has put out.
Varnel Watson
YHWH comes from the Tetragrammaton No other way
Tom Steele
I really have no clue what point you are trying to make. Of course YHWH comes from the Tetragrammaton, as the Tetragrammaton itself is in Hebrew characters. YHWH is the transliteration into English characters… Yad-Hey-Waw-Hey.
Varnel Watson
No point to be made really Just clarifying what you said earlier; which made absolutely no theological sense to me that “Jehovah” is a fake name; which now you are saying is not the case
Tom Steele
Jehovah is a fake name, I never said it wasn’t.
https://youtu.be/eLrGM26pmM0
Varnel Watson
I think I see your point but still dont match above Anyway
Tom Steele
Well, at least now I know I need to resort to videos produced at a Kindergarten level to get you to kinda see the point.
Varnel Watson
ok but Why is Jehovah not proper Bible again?
Link Hudson
You did not take Hebrew along with the Greek. The tetragrammaton, it is believed, was pronounced Yahweh. At some point, possibly due to Persion influence since they did not say their god’s names, the Jews believed they should not say the Lord’s name, so they said ‘Adonai’ instead. They started putting the letters for ‘Adonia’ under the Lord’s name. Maybe 500 years ago or so, an Italian monk came up with a word we Anglicize into the word ‘Jehovah’ out of that, even though in Hebrew the vowels do not match the consonants and cannot really be said as ‘Yehovah’. The ‘J’ is an English language thing. ‘J’ gets pronounced as ‘I’ or ‘Y’ in some languages anyway.
Varnel Watson
I actually did 🙂 Hebrew, chaldean and aramaic for 2 yrs. It was a requirement BUT that’s another story
Link Hudson
Troy Day no. The vowels for Jehovah are the vowels for Adonai, inserted there by nonChristian Jews in the 300s along with the other vowels instead of the vowels for ‘Yahweh’ so that Jews would not say the holy name and would say Adonai instead.
I studied Hebrew a long time ago and is so rusty I probably cannot percieve and explain this anymore, but I could see it at the time. The vowels for Adonai do not fit the YHWH letters according to the standard rules of how the vowel pointing works.
There has to be a reason many scholars say its Yahweh. Many Hebrew roots people and Messianics use that. Some (nonChristian) synagogues use the name. I have seen Hebrew roots people use versions of names that are unattested and have no basis in scholarship too like ‘Yahushua’
My Hebrew professor told us the history behind it, the name of the Italian monk who first turned the word into ‘Jehovah’, etc. I do not know if I have the notes but with the Internet know it may be possible to look that up.
Did they have you guys learn written cursive Hebrew hanndwriting in class? Did you say waw as W or V. He taught us V and conventions used more by Jews. But waw may be the original waw. I recall his saying seminaries or Bible colleges often did not teach the handwritten script.
My Hebrew prof. may have been about the best prof. at UGA for pedagogical method, IMO. I believe he went to Hebrew Union.
Tom Steele
Like that short video said, it was developed out of ignorance and is not God’s name. Why would you want to call God by anything that is not His name?
What is I took out the vowels of your name and then inserted other vowels and started to call you Teray?
That’s what we are doing when we call God by the fake name Jehovah. His name, at least according to the conclusion of the overwhelming majority of Hebrew scholars, is pronounced Yahweh. Knowing that, why would you want to call Him something else?
Varnel Watson
Jehovah Nissi (The Lord My Banner)
Jehovah-Raah (The Lord My Shepherd)
Jehovah Rapha (The Lord That Heals)
Jehovah Shammah (The Lord Is There)
Jehovah Tsidkenu (The Lord Our Righteousness)
Jehovah Mekoddishkem (The Lord Who Sanctifies You)
El Olam (The Everlasting God)
Elohim (God)
Qanna (Jealous)
Jehovah Jireh (The Lord Will Provide)
Jehovah Shalom (The Lord Is Peace)
Jehovah Sabaoth (The Lord of Hosts)
Tom Steele
Troy Day replace Jehovah with Yahweh on all of these and they will be correct. Well, and Jireh should be Yireh… Yahweh Yireh
Varnel Watson
make sense – what about Jesus and Jacob/James ?
Tom Steele
I’m pretty sure you know Jesus is properly Yeshua. If you want me to get you the proper Hebrew transliterations for everyone named in the Bible… yeah, I don’t have time for all that. There are plenty of resources out there that you can find that information. You are a Bible scholar, I assume, since you run a page called “Pentecostal Theology”.
Varnel Watson
Joshua is also Yeshua
James and Jacob are both Yakobs, so is KJV
John is Iohanes
Jezebel is ‘Ä«zebhel or Isabella
So whats the so big deal with the J?
Tom Steele
The “big deal” is that there apparently was no “J” in Hebrew.
Tom Steele
Do you really not know this stuff?
Varnel Watson
Well we all know that I would say but so what? Was there shibboleth? And if not so what? What does this change? Would it be better to ask of the Yehowistic names of God in OP?
Tom Steele
I believe the correct theological term would be “Yahwistic”.
Varnel Watson
well tell us about them “Yahwistic” names then